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Well another disappointment with this build. The DD lite rail installs but the top rail of the hand guard does not match up to the upper. I had planned to use the 45 degree offset backup irons but that will not work at this point.
Also be prepared to cut the crush washer behind the muzzle device when swapping gas blocks. That was the only way it was coming off.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155550.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155602.jpg
Bizzare. It seems Smith just did their own thing entirely.
evenodds20
03-09-13, 12:28
you might want to call DD and ask, or maybe S&W. It seems that its soo close there might just be a defect. I would think that if S&W did something to make theirs proprietary, there would be an obvious difference. just a thought.:confused:
Bizzare. It seems Smith just did their own thing entirely.
Certainly does. The DD instruction sheet said the upper should have been .060" inches taller if it was a newer DPMS or Bushy. The upper is considerably shorter.
I got my Troy TRX-308 13.8" installed friday. The rail is the DPMS low reciever model, the top rails align perfectly. The rail comes with a new barrel nut that takes a standard armorers wrench. I did have to shave a little material off of the nut to alow the gas tube to go unobstructed. I used a VLTOR clamp on GB.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps609724e5.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zpsf71e30af.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps9d9eaee6.jpg
I got my Troy TRX-308 13.8" installed friday. The rail is the DPMS low reciever model, the top rails align perfectly. The rail comes with a new barrel nut that takes a standard armorers wrench. I did have to shave a little material off of the nut to alow the gas tube to go unobstructed. I used a VLTOR clamp on GB.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps609724e5.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zpsf71e30af.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps9d9eaee6.jpg
Nice lookin' stick. Where did you order the Troy HG?
I had also read that the upper is a DPMS style low profile receiver.
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That is shit hot. Light rail takes advantage of the light barrel. Add a baby acog or T1 for the total package.
Nice lookin' stick. Where did you order the Troy HG?
I had also read that the upper is a DPMS style low profile receiver.
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Thanks, the rail is in stock at Midway.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3058156213/troy-industries-trx-extreme-battle-rail-modular-free-float-handguard-dpms-lr-308-with-low-profile-upper-receiver
Certainly does. The DD instruction sheet said the upper should have been .060" inches taller if it was a newer DPMS or Bushy. The upper is considerably shorter.
That blows cause that's a nice looking set up. Are you gonna return it or run it?
Thanks, the rail is in stock at Midway.
Cool, thanks. I saw that one on their site and was wondering if it was the same model.
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That blows cause that's a nice looking set up. Are you gonna return it or run it?
Not sure yet... I'll order a Troy in the meantime and make a decision after it gets here.
mrjinglesusa
03-09-13, 14:37
Well another disappointment with this build. The DD lite rail installs but the top rail of the hand guard does not match up to the upper. I had planned to use the 45 degree offset backup irons but that will not work at this point.
Also be prepared to cut the crush washer behind the muzzle device when swapping gas blocks. That was the only way it was coming off.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155550.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155602.jpg
Weird. My crush washer came off fine. Basically just "unscrewed" it from the barrel.
evenodds20
03-09-13, 16:02
I think theres something you are missing with that DD because there are 2 other verified rails successfully mounted already. I would take the rail off, and reinstall the barrel nut. are you torquing it down properly? following specs? just throwing ideas out there. it looks great and i hope it fixes itself.
I think theres something you are missing with that DD because there are 2 other verified rails successfully mounted already. I would take the rail off, and reinstall the barrel nut. are you torquing it down properly? following specs? just throwing ideas out there. it looks great and i hope it fixes itself.
Not much to reinstall. Everything is by the book.
Weird. My crush washer came off fine. Basically just "unscrewed" it from the barrel.
I tried that for a while and it was damaging threads. Cut and replace for me. :)
John Hearne
03-10-13, 18:15
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps609724e5.jpg
That is beautiful. What does it weigh in that configuration?`
Has anyone shot groups with match ammo yet?
evenodds20
03-10-13, 19:41
I probably wont shoot mine for another 6 months or so. Im going to get some troy fiip ups, troy 13.8" rail, trijicon accupoint scope, and harris bipod. it will also allow me to find some decently priced ammo and stock up little by little. does anyone follow a break in regimen? i figured the basic:
run a bore brush after each round for 10 rounds
bore brush every 5 rds for 50
bore brush every 10 rds for 100
fire away.
Has anyone shot groups with match ammo yet?
If it ever stops snowing or raining, I'll try to do some shooting. Won't be with match ammo though, just cheap Remington Core Lokt. It's all I've got.
does anyone follow a break in regimen? i figured the basic:
run a bore brush after each round for 10 rounds
bore brush every 5 rds for 50
bore brush every 10 rds for 100
fire away.
Just shoot it...
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That is beautiful. What does it weigh in that configuration?`
Thanks, I am going to change the flash hider and put some glass on it. According to the only scale I have, it weights 8.3lbs with no mag.
I got my Troy TRX-308 13.8" installed friday. The rail is the DPMS low reciever model, the top rails align perfectly. The rail comes with a new barrel nut that takes a standard armorers wrench. I did have to shave a little material off of the nut to alow the gas tube to go unobstructed. I used a VLTOR clamp on GB.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps609724e5.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zpsf71e30af.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps9d9eaee6.jpg
I didn't even know this gun was out, but your pictures make me want one. My M&P 15's have been perfect. God I want one of those, I guess I'll have to shove a 4 leaf clover up my ass to find one in this market
Here is the gun with an AAC Blackout non-mount flash hider. I broke the rules and used a crush washer, without it there was a gap between the thread base and the flash hider bottom. The washer is just big enough to fill the gap. I'm still waiting on a grip from Umbrella Corporation.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps4bc40f64.jpg
Well, I took an opportunity to shoot the M&P10 today, since my wife & kids were gone. One of my ranges is 10' out the back door and my wife doesn't like me shooting there if the kids are home. Anyway, it was about 30° outside and snowing. All shots were at 50 yds. I started with 5 shot groups in the upper left and ran clock-wise around the target. I finished with a 10 round group in the center. The ammo I used was 150gr Core-Lokt.
I have a 200 yd range in my field & once some of the snow melts, I'll try to dial it in sight at 100 yds.
I'm no expert marksman (obviously) but based on the conditions and being my 1st time out with it, I can tolerate the results. Again, sorry about the picture quality, it was snowing.
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Little Creek
03-12-13, 11:17
Well, I took an opportunity to shoot the M&P10 today, since my wife & kids were gone. One of my ranges is 10' out the back door and my wife doesn't like me shooting there if the kids are home. Anyway, it was about 30° outside and snowing. All shots were at 50 yds. I started with 5 shot groups in the upper left and ran clock-wise around the target. I finished with a 10 round group in the center. The ammo I used was 150gr Core-Lokt.
I have a 200 yd range in my field & once some of the snow melts, I'll try to dial it in sight at 100 yds.
I'm no expert marksman (obviously) but based on the conditions and being my 1st time out with it, I can tolerate the results. Again, sorry about the picture quality, it was snowing.
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Please identify the scope and mount. What mount did you use for the (Harris?) bipod?
Please identify the scope and mount. What mount did you use for the (Harris?) bipod?
Nikon 4x16-42 M308 (mount was included)
Sling swivel mount through MOE HG.
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SurplusShooter
03-12-13, 13:29
Saw this rifle again at my local gun shop, FYI prices have dropped since the last time I was in there:
http://emob1060.photobucket.com/albums/t445/ResponsibleCitizen64/photo_zpsa8807747.jpg?t=1363112842
... only $1,400 they had a couple on the shelves.
azeriosu85
03-12-13, 16:00
Saw this rifle again at my local gun shop, FYI prices have dropped since the last time I was in there:
http://emob1060.photobucket.com/albums/t445/ResponsibleCitizen64/photo_zpsa8807747.jpg?t=1363112842
... only $1,400 they had a couple on the shelves.
thank you! i was about ready to drop the hammer on a local one for $1625:suicide:
Well, I took an opportunity to shoot the M&P10 today, since my wife & kids were gone. One of my ranges is 10' out the back door and my wife doesn't like me shooting there if the kids are home. Anyway, it was about 30° outside and snowing. All shots were at 50 yds. I started with 5 shot groups in the upper left and ran clock-wise around the target. I finished with a 10 round group in the center. The ammo I used was 150gr Core-Lokt.
I have a 200 yd range in my field & once some of the snow melts, I'll try to dial it in sight at 100 yds.
I'm no expert marksman (obviously) but based on the conditions and being my 1st time out with it, I can tolerate the results. Again, sorry about the picture quality, it was snowing.
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So about 2 moa?
So about 2 moa?
Like I said, I'm no marksman. It was also in less than ideal conditions. I'm sure others will do much better with it.
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Saw this rifle again at my local gun shop, FYI prices have dropped since the last time I was in there:
... only $1,400 they had a couple on the shelves.
There would have been one less if I'd been there!
There would have been one less if I'd been there!
Maybe they'd ship one to a dealer near you. ;)
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Well another disappointment with this build. The DD lite rail installs but the top rail of the hand guard does not match up to the upper. I had planned to use the 45 degree offset backup irons but that will not work at this point.
Also be prepared to cut the crush washer behind the muzzle device when swapping gas blocks. That was the only way it was coming off.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155550.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130308_155602.jpg
This is your problem: http://www.rainierarms.com/misc/DPMS_RECEIVERS_COMPARE.pdf
Newer DPMS receivers are thinner up top. The Troy TRX 13.8 that beavis got is offered in the "low profile"/new style DPMS, which is what the S&W seems to also use.
It doesn't seem like the DD Lite 308 rail has been updated with the newer DPMS style receiver, which is why it's too tall for the M&P 10.
This is your problem: http://www.rainierarms.com/misc/DPMS_RECEIVERS_COMPARE.pdf
Newer DPMS receivers are thinner up top. The Troy TRX 13.8 that beavis got is offered in the "low profile"/new style DPMS, which is what the S&W seems to also use.
It doesn't seem like the DD Lite 308 rail has been updated with the newer DPMS style receiver, which is why it's too tall for the M&P 10.
Yep... I think you are correct. I went off second hand info from the smith rep on TOS. He said dd was low pro.
evenodds20
03-12-13, 23:50
im glad yall got the issue resolved with that DD rail. sorry u had to be the test dummy for it but its for a good cause. now we know i guess. ;)
I'm really interested in 100 yd groups with federal gold medal match and m118lr. If someone has good glass and is a good shot, I can give you a box of 20 fgmm for $20 to do the test (half of what I paid). I don't have any m118lr though.
Little Creek
03-13-13, 13:18
I installed a Magpul STR butt stock and MOE handguard today on my M&P 10. Installing the hand guard was a challenge (no help and no handguard tool) compared to installing a carbine length MOE handguard on an M&P 15. Now that I think about it, removing the heat shield might have made it a lot easier. I don't know that I need the heat shield. I hope the tight fit of the heatshield on the rear of the barrel does not affect accuracy in a negative way. Also installed a AFG. All in FDE. I have a MIAD in transit. If I could just get some PMAGs in FDE.
Over the weekend I shot one 5 shot group with 150 Power Point looking through an old V16 Weaver scope turned down to 4 because I was shooting at a 28" gong at 100 yards. 4 of the 5 went into a 4 leaf clover under an inch with the 5th shot out by about an inch. I shot a similar group about a week ago. The rest of my shooting was off hand. I am interested in reading an accuracy report on this weapon system.
This is your problem: http://www.rainierarms.com/misc/DPMS_RECEIVERS_COMPARE.pdf
Newer DPMS receivers are thinner up top. The Troy TRX 13.8 that beavis got is offered in the "low profile"/new style DPMS, which is what the S&W seems to also use.
It doesn't seem like the DD Lite 308 rail has been updated with the newer DPMS style receiver, which is why it's too tall for the M&P 10.
Yep... I think you are correct. I went off second hand info from the smith rep on TOS. He said dd was low pro.
I hate to throw a wrench in this and while I believe the M&P may be considered "low profile" (as proven by the Troy rail) , the PDF above is not entirely applicable in this case as the M&P is also 3/16". Technically, the outside is slightly larger than 3/16", there is a radius under the rail that brings it to about 3/16. The difference must lie somewhere else? :confused:
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Little Creek
03-14-13, 06:33
Will the Ranier Arms "Raptor" 308 charging handle fit the M&P 10? I have one on my M4gery and I love it. Of course, I am LH. I am on the please notify me list at this time.
Anyone else have issues removing the stock barrel nut? My Troy rail came in and I'm having a bear of a time removing the barrel nut.
Update: I got it off eventually and got the new rail installed. The stock barrel nut didn't appear to have any grease on it.
Little Creek
03-15-13, 20:13
Anyone else have issues removing the stock barrel nut? My Troy rail came in and I'm having a bear of a time removing the barrel nut.
Update: I got it off eventually and got the new rail installed. The stock barrel nut didn't appear to have any grease on it.
Does the same wrench fit both the stock barrel nut and the Troy barrel nut? I am assuming the Troy rail came with a barrel nut? Did you use an upper receiver block in a vise? Do you need a torque wrench for the install or is good and tight lined up for the gas tube all that is required? I just don't want to buy a lot of tools I will only use once.
Does the same wrench fit both the stock barrel nut and the Troy barrel nut? I am assuming the Troy rail came with a barrel nut? Did you use an upper receiver block in a vise? Do you need a torque wrench for the install or is good and tight lined up for the gas tube all that is required? I just don't want to buy a lot of tools I will only use once.
Both the stock nut and the included Troy nut use a standard armorers wrench. The torque spec is 30-50lbs.
Just noticed that G and R has the Magpul version in stock:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311314
...in case anyone's interested.
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Just noticed that G and R has the Magpul version in stock:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311314
...in case anyone's interested.
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Nice package for $1800. Funny that the magpul version comes with Troy sights.
evenodds20
03-18-13, 21:57
i love the troy sights. Ive got some on my M&P 15 and i think im going to put some on the M&P10 as well. Which scope would yall recommend? im torn between the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 or the trijicon accupoint 5.5-20x50? ive owned the trijicon before on a DPMS and it was a nice scope. Im leaning towards the triji again but just curious what others have in opinions between the 2!
PatrioticDisorder
03-18-13, 22:21
Just noticed that G and R has the Magpul version in stock:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311314
...in case anyone's interested.
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Seems a bit pricey, I've read a report from 1 source that had the plain version for 1,200 & 1,100 for LEO. Nice looking rifle but for 1,800 i think I'd rather spend a few hundred more for a Colt 901... Unless of course that price which I believe is MSRP represents the current frenzy and price ends up coming down a few hundred, different ball game at that point.
evenodds20
03-18-13, 23:17
i paid $1399 for mine about 3 weeks ago. i had to have it shipped and i lived in state so i paid a little more than expected but im happy with the purchase. it was the civilian model which came with the aluminum 10 rd mag but oh well. i bought a lot of 5 pmags and all is well. now for a rail, gas block and some sights.
mrjinglesusa
03-30-13, 21:43
Any one shot the gun?
Just did today actually. Shoots great!
No true accuracy report as my range is only 25 yards so it won't mean much. That said, holes were on top of each other. :D
Ok, instead of wasting time seeing which gizmo and which gadget fits how bout somebody set it up with a freaking $200 dollar 3x9x40 Leupold in a decent mount and 2 boxes of FGMM and shoot the damn rifle at a hundred yards geez I mean crap guys.
evenodds20
03-30-13, 21:48
everyone is broke. myself included. let me borrow $200 and ill do all the testing you want me to do. oh yeah, do you have any match ammo i can borrow as well?:D
everyone is broke. myself included.
Shit, you just bought a new gun and all type of Barbie doll parts to go on it, and you paid stupid prices for 5 Pmags, cry me a freaking river.
Shoot the damn rifle like it was meant to freaking be, shooting it at 25 yards is worthless and a waist of stinking ammo.
Face meet palm.
evenodds20
03-30-13, 21:57
i think you need to re read who shot at 25 yards there buddy. also i have not bought one accessory for my rifle other than mags. and that was because the one shipped to me was broken. thanks. oh and your internet tough guyness impresses us all.
i think you need to re read who shot at 25 yards there buddy. also i have not bought one accessory for my rifle other than mags. and that was because the one shipped to me was broken. thanks. oh and your internet tough guyness impresses us all.
Whatever dude.
All I have read in this thread is which gadget works which one doesn't and other mess.
No one has sat down behind the rifle and actually tried to see what it will do, you included.
evenodds20
03-30-13, 22:12
Whatever dude.
All I have read in this thread is which gadget works which one doesn't and other mess.
No one has sat down behind the rifle and actually tried to see what it will do, you included.
you are damn right i havent. not that you know of! that is because i do not have a responsibility to report my range days to you or anyone. you are the one complaining to a group of enthusiasts about not getting good info back to you. whos the whiner? who the hell are you? go get your own gun, and buy your own high priced ammo, and get your own statistics. i made a joking comment about lending money to make light of a situation and you think you can just use your internet muscles to show how tough and mighty you are? please. I procured a weapon that i wanted and its stored until other responsibilities are met. ive got the gun and when ammo becomes available to myself again, i may or may not shoot and report. sorry if i/we are not pleasing the internet trolls. the fact that you know what i have and have not bought, as well as accessories and keeping up with my "high priced" purchase of mags frankly concerns me. it sounds like you have more than enough time to go to the range and do your own testing.
Don't flatter yourself, you posted on a public forum I read it and remembered it.
Don't worry if/when mine gets here, the absolute first thing that's going to happen is I'm digging into my ammo stash and post up some findings at the range.
This forum used to have guys that actually shot the friggin gun.
evenodds20
03-30-13, 22:30
Don't flatter yourself, you posted on a public forum I read it and remembered it.
Don't worry if/when mine gets here, the absolute first thing that's going to happen is I'm digging into my ammo stash and post up some findings at the range.
This forum used to have guys that actually shot the friggin gun.
It still does. I shoot all the time. i just dont go bragging about my training. i spend my time on the range instead of on the net. look at my posts and you will see i have roughly 6 times less posts than you and ive been on a year longer. im a do'er not a talker. relax. the gun is still knew and everybody is feeling it out. whats it to you if a few guys want to hash out what rails fit and which don't? again i have other responsibilities that keep me from dumping money into the gun. i had enough to get it and now i have to let that settle for a while before i can outfit it with a good scope. im a one and done kinda guy. i dont like spending $200 on a ok scope if i can take that and put it with my money next week or so and get a great scope. make sense? and with the ammo limits at walmart and everywhere else i have to wait a few weeks to accumulate enough ammo to justify my 45 mile trek to the range. yes, there are no good ranges within my region. unless i want to be regulated by a range nazi and shoot through a barrel. at 50 yards. thats my deal. i didnt owe it to you to tell you but i figured you are the kind of guy that needs closure so ill go on ahead and help you out with that. good night.
Ok, here's my deal. I will send you 10 rounds of Hornady 155 TAP, 10 rounds of FGMM, 20 rounds of DAG, and 10 hand loads sporting 178gr Amax over Varget.
In return you shoot the gun at 100. Use the DAG to get it close and then shoot the rest for groups.
Post up the results.
The decent scope is on you and required for the ammo shipment.
evenodds20
03-30-13, 22:51
Ok, here's my deal. I will send you 10 rounds of Hornady 155 TAP, 10 rounds of FGMM, 20 rounds of DAG, and 10 hand loads sporting 178gr Amax over Varget.
In return you shoot the gun at 100. Use the DAG to get it close and then shoot the rest for groups.
Post up the results.
The decent scope is on you and required for the ammo shipment.
deal. ill let you know when i decide on my trijicon or vortex. i definitely dont have scratch for a night force or S&B. but you can keep the hand loads. i have everything but powder and primers to load mine. thats another item on the list of things to get!
The deal stands for the first person with an M&P 10, access to a 100 yard range and pictures of the rifle wearing decent glass.
I don't particularly feel like awaiting his decision on glass, I have a VX-R and plenty of ammo awaiting my decision.
Details I want in return; altitude, temperature, amount of time between shots and pictures of the groups.
The burden is on YOU to shoot the damn gun.
Yes, I did shoot the gun.
I mounted a Vortex 4-16 in a ADM mount and shot some groups this week. I used Wolf to get the gun on paper (yes I said Wolf). After that I switched to Privi, Hornady TAP and Federal Gold Medal Match. Disatnce was 100 yards, weather was somewhat less then cooperative (wind), and I shot from a bench.
Now what you're really after; groups ran from 3-4" for the Wolf (no big suprise there), 3" for the Privi and both the Hornady and Federal were right at 1 1/2". I'm certain that with a good shooter/ammo/conditions this particular M&P10 would shoot MOA.
I went through 50 rounds. I experienced two failures to fire with the Wolf which has in my experience shown to have fairly hard primers. Both fired on a second attempt. I had two failures to feed which were magazine related and several failures to lock back on an empty mag with a PMag, which I attribute to it being a new gun with an extremely stoudt recoil spring.
For a first outting I'm not entirely displeased. For the price point the gun ran fairly well and the accuracy proved to be acceptable.
Yes, I did shoot the gun.
I mounted a Vortex 4-16 in a ADM mount and shot some groups this week. I used Wolf to get the gun on paper (yes I said Wolf). After that I switched to Privi, Hornady TAP and Federal Gold Medal Match. Disatnce was 100 yards, weather was somewhat less then cooperative (wind), and I shot from a bench.
Now what you're really after; groups ran from 3-4" for the Wolf (no big suprise there), 3" for the Privi and both the Hornady and Federal were right at 1 1/2". I'm certain that with a good shooter/ammo/conditions this particular M&P10 would shoot MOA.
I went through 50 rounds. I experienced two failures to fire with the Wolf which has in my experience shown to have fairly hard primers. Both fired on a second attempt. I had two failures to feed which were magazine related and several failures to lock back on an empty mag with a PMag, which I attribute to it being a new gun with an extremely stoudt recoil spring.
For a first outting I'm not entirely displeased. For the price point the gun ran fairly well and the accuracy proved to be acceptable.
Awesome, thank you Mr. Joe
Whatever dude.
All I have read in this thread is which gadget works which one doesn't and other mess.
No one has sat down behind the rifle and actually tried to see what it will do, you included.
Well apparently you can't read very well cause it has been shot and it's been talked about. Second, some of us are still buried waist deep in snow. Third, it's a new gun. There is a lot of trial and error going on and people are trying to help eachother out by letting others know what works and what doesn't. You had no reason to come busting in here and start being jack ass to evenodds20. Buy your own gun and find out for yourself if it's so important.
M&P10 is on the cover of the May issue of Guns & Ammo, in case anyone's interested. I only scanned the article so I don't know any of the details.
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azeriosu85
04-09-13, 00:51
any updates on this? do you think $1450 is a good price for one?:help:
http://images16.fotki.com/v220/photos/8/867328/11885234/28387221128762-vi.jpg
Zeroing at 100yds and checking a sling. Hornady 155gr Steel Match, Swaro Z6I, RifleCraft Sling RS1
Shooting off of pack:
Top target: 3 shot group left of black, corrected wiindage and shot 5 into center. Second target down was 10 shots.
With Sling:
Third and fourth target, kneeling and prone, five shots each.
http://images59.fotki.com/v420/photos/8/867328/11885234/31387221131085-vi.jpg
Chad you are the man, thank you.
SurplusShooter
04-11-13, 11:01
FYI, Just as a "point of reference" on pricing, I saw one of these at my local gun shop it was tagged at $1,199.
Bud's Police supply have them in stock for $1099.
Bud's Police supply have them in stock for $1099.
Too good to be. OOS.
azeriosu85
04-14-13, 00:19
Gonna buy one tomorrow locally for $1449 + tax (6%). Comes with 10rd mag, just gotta find some 20rd pmags. Wish me luck!
Bud's Police supply have them in stock for $1099.
Too good to be. OOS.
I paid less than that from Buds in store at the beginning of march. They have had them in stock (in store) since then.
azeriosu85
04-14-13, 01:42
I paid less than that from Buds in store at the beginning of march. They have had them in stock (in store) since then.
LE only though right?
i really do not want to drop an extra $500 if these come down in price big time in the next few months
LE only though right?
i really do not want to drop an extra $500 if these come down in price big time in the next few months
That's Correct, LE, Fire, EMS, Mil, and a few others.
Hey all, just posted another vid on a range session I had recently with the S&W M&P10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_An60dbdg
Little Creek
04-22-13, 08:46
Hey all, just posted another vid on a range session I had recently with the S&W M&P10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_An60dbdg
What kind of handguard is on the M&P10 in the video? Thanks
What kind of handguard is on the M&P10 in the video? Thanks
Apex Handguard 15 inch.
Little Creek
04-23-13, 08:57
Apex Handguard 15 inch.
Nice. Are you happy with the 15" handguard or would you recommend a shorter one? Did the S&W barrel nut work or did you need to buy another one? What gas block did you use?
Nice. Are you happy with the 15" handguard or would you recommend a shorter one? Did the S&W barrel nut work or did you need to buy another one? What gas block did you use?
It's posted a few pages back, but here's a video of my mods and my thoughts on each piece. But in short, longer is better... I like the 15inch handguard.
Redbeardsong
04-23-13, 20:43
Just curious, would it be recommended to put a 20moa scope mount on a semi auto .308, or just a regular mount?
Just curious, would it be recommended to put a 20moa scope mount on a semi auto .308, or just a regular mount?
If you say why you DO want one, that should answer your question!
We have some more of these in at $1450!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311308
C4
We have some more of these in at $1450!
C4
Do you offer a $150 refund? ;)
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Do you offer a $150 refund? ;)
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LOL, sure if I can charge you more when we raise our prices! ;)
C4
LOL, sure if I can charge you more when we raise our prices! ;)
C4
"when" you raise your prices!? You wouldn't do that. ;)
BTW, I caught your OP. Maybe I should rattle S&W's cage. They've been slow gettin' me my Shield. :D
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Same drill as with the 901: at the buzz go prone and shoot 10rds.
I was off on the first run, yesterday I did this drill twice and I had made a note to change the elevation and lengthen the stock, I did neither and it shows.
Second tgt down was second run with the stock out one more position and elevation up two 'clicks'(about 1moa).
Ist run was about 36s and second was 29s:
http://images56.fotki.com/v362/photos/8/867328/11948305/001swtgt-vi.jpg
http://images60.fotki.com/v370/photos/8/867328/11948305/001swrifle-vi.jpg
Shoots well for a stock rifle.
Little Creek
04-25-13, 17:38
Same drill as with the 901: at the buzz go prone and shoot 10rds.
I was off on the first run, yesterday I did this drill twice and I had made a note to change the elevation and lengthen the stock, I did neither and it shows.
Second tgt down was second run with the stock out one more position and elevation up two 'clicks'(about 1moa).
Ist run was about 36s and second was 29s:
http://images56.fotki.com/v362/photos/8/867328/11948305/001swtgt-vi.jpg
http://images60.fotki.com/v370/photos/8/867328/11948305/001swrifle-vi.jpg
Shoots well for a stock rifle.
Good Shooting, was that 100 yards?
Yes, 100yds, Z6I at 6x w/ illum off, 155 Hornady Steel Case. Prone position would be 'magazine prone' - magazine on the deck, sling on the rifle but not used for shooting support.
Bought one today online for $1495.
It's posted a few pages back, but here's a video of my mods and my thoughts on each piece. But in short, longer is better... I like the 15inch handguard.
Thanks for that vid. I am disappointed that the barrel extension and bolt are non-standard. My 18" ARP lightweight barrel won't fit, and it's nice to know that before buying the gun.
Why, SW? Why? https://www.m4carbine.net/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Bumping this thread to find out if there are any new M&P 10 owners that may have tried an aftermarket handguard, other than the Apex or Troy. I'm looking into getting a new HG soon & was wondering if there are any other success or horror stories out there.
SomeOtherGuy
06-24-13, 08:07
Bumping this thread to find out if there are any new M&P 10 owners that may have tried an aftermarket handguard, other than the Apex or Troy. I'm looking into getting a new HG soon & was wondering if there are any other success or horror stories out there.
I got the standard model about a month ago. I tried installing Magpul MOE handguards and they wouldn't go on - the heat shield interferes with the humongous barrel diameter near the nut. I'm not sure if removing the heat shield will fix this, because I then tried a set of Cavalry Arms handguards (the fat M4 sized ones, I think they call them C6) and found that, with no heat shield interference, they were about 1/8" too long from interface end to end, and also may have had some issue with the diameter of the barrel nut or its proximity to another part of the delta ring assembly on this rifle.
I haven't tried any free float handguards.
If anyone bought one of these in the Magpul flavor, could you post photos of the inside of the MOE handguard, ideally next to an off the shelf MOE AR15 handguard for comparison?
I got the standard model about a month ago. I tried installing Magpul MOE handguards and they wouldn't go on - the heat shield interferes with the humongous barrel diameter near the nut. I'm not sure if removing the heat shield will fix this, because I then tried a set of Cavalry Arms handguards (the fat M4 sized ones, I think they call them C6) and found that, with no heat shield interference, they were about 1/8" too long from interface end to end, and also may have had some issue with the diameter of the barrel nut or its proximity to another part of the delta ring assembly on this rifle.
I haven't tried any free float handguards.
If anyone bought one of these in the Magpul flavor, could you post photos of the inside of the MOE handguard, ideally next to an off the shelf MOE AR15 handguard for comparison?
Sorry, I should've specified free float. I did, however, buy a MOE for it & didn't have any issues installing it. It was a little tight at the heat shields but it still slipped over. I'd like to free float it now though.
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Little Creek
06-24-13, 14:13
I got the standard model about a month ago. I tried installing Magpul MOE handguards and they wouldn't go on - the heat shield interferes with the humongous barrel diameter near the nut. I'm not sure if removing the heat shield will fix this, because I then tried a set of Cavalry Arms handguards (the fat M4 sized ones, I think they call them C6) and found that, with no heat shield interference, they were about 1/8" too long from interface end to end, and also may have had some issue with the diameter of the barrel nut or its proximity to another part of the delta ring assembly on this rifle.
I haven't tried any free float handguards.
If anyone bought one of these in the Magpul flavor, could you post photos of the inside of the MOE handguard, ideally next to an off the shelf MOE AR15 handguard for comparison?
I installed an off the shelf MOE AR15 hand guard. It was too snug for my tast. I had to force it over the barrel near the barrel nut. I took a dremel tool and shaved the ears off the top rear of the heat shield and it fit fine. One of these day's, when I get caught up, I will probably get a free float rail.
So what's the verdict on this then? Good starting point for a 308 SPR type build?
So what's the verdict on this then? Good starting point for a 308 SPR type build?
If by build, you mean just a furniture swap, then yeah. You'll run into issues if you want to swap barrels or BCGs. I did put an SR25 BCG in mine just for grins & it wouldn't lock up. You'd have to swap out both but it seems the jury is still out on that. Some have had issues with BCM CHs not working, in others they work fine. YMMV
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SomeOtherGuy
06-24-13, 20:49
So what's the verdict on this then? Good starting point for a 308 SPR type build?
IMHO, and based on only a little shooting, this is a very good off the shelf complete .308 AR package, but it does not seem to be a good platform to modify or build on. Too many features seem to be proprietary and of limited or no compatibility with what has become the dominant .308 design for modifying (DPMS dimensions; I don't know if/how closely those match KAC SR-25 dimensions). So far, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this if someone's going to keep it as the package that arrives. But for a SPR or precision type rifle, or if you just want to swap parts for fun, I would be thinking of the usual .308 suspects (KAC, LMT, Larue, and maybe Colt's 901, but it also has its own pattern in many ways).
Here are a couple of videos I just posted on YouTube. The first shows the M&P10 ringing steel out to 300 yards. The second shows the modification you can do to the BCM Gunfighter CH.
Ringing steel out to 300 yards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOvM71l3CHs&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUbaQ5GzqQs3X-r3TLh5Gupw)
BCM Gunfighter Mod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUbaQ5GzqQs3X-r3TLh5Gupw&v=NkUdOr2787I)
Does the CMR work with the m&p10?
Does the CMR work with the m&p10?
The current .308 CMR is too tall. Stickman mentioned that Monty will make a low version for 308s if there is enough interest.
A CMR world be great, something 15"+would be perfect.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/beavis612/image_zps4bc40f64.jpg
What did you use for a barrel nut wrench?
What did you use for a barrel nut wrench?
Standard AR armorers wrench
Both the stock nut and the included Troy nut use a standard armorers wrench. The torque spec is 30-50lbs.
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Little Creek
10-13-13, 08:45
I use the Raptor on my M4 carbines. I am LH. I just got a Raptor for my M&P10. Can anyone give suggestions on how to modify it to fit without destroying it? Is there already a youtube video out there with directions? The BCG will not slide the last inch or so into the upper with the Raptor in place. I want to avoid having a $100 paper weight if possible.
Thanks
Charging handles for the small framed AR are too short to work in large framed ARs
I use the Raptor on my M4 carbines. I am LH. I just got a Raptor for my M&P10. Can anyone give suggestions on how to modify it to fit without destroying it? Is there already a youtube video out there with directions? The BCG will not slide the last inch or so into the upper with the Raptor in place. I want to avoid having a $100 paper weight if possible.
Thanks
Sounds like the same issue that some guys were having with the Gunfighter CH. This post has a video of a mod he did on his CH. It may be applicable to the Raptor.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1723930
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Little Creek
10-13-13, 10:34
Charging handles for the small framed AR are too short to work in large framed ARs
Right. The one I am making reference to is for the AR-308 style weapons. Is is the same length as the factory charging handle in my M&P 10.
Gotcha. I mis-understood your post
A more finished version.
Atlas bipod w/ American Defense mount
Vortex PST 4-16 FFP mil/mil
American Defense AD-RECON-S-30mm
Troy industries TRX 13.8"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60837905/m%26p10.jpg
This has me wondering if there's someone somewhere who wants my PSL enough to trade (plus cash if necessary) for an M&P10 now that PSL's are hard to find and close in price. Someone who values Cold War cool over convenience...which I thought I was but have receded into f*** it I want easy mode.
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