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scottr
01-15-13, 13:43
Anyone able to find the new .308 from S&W? Is it KAC or DPMS magazines?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_817049_-1_785153_757785_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Spikele
01-15-13, 17:51
Price seems a little high?

scottr
01-15-13, 18:25
First, sorry about the title. Tapatalk did it, because I typed it correctly. I would appreciate if a Mod could fix it.

Second, MSRP is higher than you pay. The M&P-15 Sport is MSRP $839 and no one pays that (well, before the Great Panic). A 629 4" is $949, and up here they are about $805. So call it 85%. 85% of MSRP is $1470.

That includes the MOE stock and camo dip. I'm guessing about $1300-1350 if they did a plain black flattop.

You are getting ambi controls, which if you added a BAD lever, Norgon and safety would be at least $125.

Finally you get a 9310 UberHype bolt (or insert your own superlative) and 5R rifling. I am assured by gnat shooters that this makes a difference.

Just think of it as a $1200 rifle with mandatory ambi, stock, material and finish upgrades.

carbinero
01-15-13, 21:44
I think it may be priced fairly, if it functions properly. Around Armalite pricing: above DPMS and below Colt. I've heard nothing but good about S&W 5.56s, so I'd hope this is the same. I like the 18" and mid-gas. 5R 1:10 sounds great, but 4140 seems modest. Lack of threading and FH is unforgivable, as that adds another $125+. Not thrilled about the bolt-on railed GB, but such is life. S&W is VERY welcome to bring more 308s to the table.

Redbeardsong
01-15-13, 21:54
I held the Smith .308s at SHOT show today and was quite pleased with them. There were two versions that I saw, neither of which were this camo one.

There was a Magpul version, with MOE stock, grip, and midlength handguard, with Troy Flip-up sights and Smith Flash hider. It looked like a .308 version of their MOE Mid rifle. There was also an Optics ready version, which had A2 style furniture, a flat top, and a railed gas block. The barrel is slim, like the MOE MID 5.56, which made the rifle feel less heavy than the Bushmaster .308.

With the quality Smith has been delivering recently, I think this is going to be a winner.

carbinero
01-15-13, 23:08
The weight on the website look very reasonable...just over 8 lbs IIRC. The magpul version may very well get me off the fence. I've been thinking about all the sub-$2k semiauto308s for years. I nearly gave my wallet a heartattack when the Colt showed up. If the S&W is a solid $500 savings, AND if it has no major teething problems...

JWR075
01-15-13, 23:18
According to S&W spec page it will use PMags.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/PS/2013/811312_v011113a.pdf

carbinero
01-16-13, 02:34
Why would they use 4140 when the new 5.56 gets 4150?

Spikele
01-16-13, 02:52
I heard the barrel is non-free float. Thoughts?

sammage
01-16-13, 11:39
I heard the barrel is non-free float. Thoughts?

It's obviously non free float, unless they stuck a tube under the plastic handguards.

Bedouin2W
01-18-13, 03:02
Looking at S&W's website and I found 3
1. One obviously marketed towards hunting (real tree, no flash hider among certian features) - the one seen at SHOT. Listed at $1729 on S&W's website

2. A black, optics ready M&P-10 - no price listed

3. A black M&P-10 with Troy BattleSights - no price listed

I looked everywhere to find something other than the camo/hunting one but couldn't find it, sorry I am having to link to S&Ws page for the specs on the black M&P-10s.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757913_-1_757798_757797_image

twistedcomrade
01-18-13, 10:05
Looks interesting. Always room for another 308 on the AR market. I am glad to see companies like S&W moving forward with new products in the face of the tidal wave of BS from DC and in the media.

Spikele
01-18-13, 13:47
What's ETA to market?

C4IGrant
01-18-13, 14:01
Held it at Shot. Is LITE! I made a couple reliability suggestions, but other than that, it looked good.



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Jake'sDad
01-19-13, 02:18
Held it at Shot. Is LITE!
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Yup, it sure was. A little under 7 3/4 lbs, with an 18" barrel.

Exactly what I was looking for.

Tungsten
01-19-13, 11:45
Grant, any idea when you might start seeing these become available to you as a dealer? I'd like to pick up one of the # 311314 model.

Thanks.

C4IGrant
01-19-13, 11:59
Grant, any idea when you might start seeing these become available to you as a dealer? I'd like to pick up one of the # 311314 model.

Thanks.

None (as manufacturers don't give ETA's). We did order a bunch of them along with mags.


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RHINOWSO
01-19-13, 15:10
Nice to see more 308 ARs hit the market.

Jake'sDad
01-19-13, 15:23
For what it's worth, the rep in the booth said they already had some in inventory. Probably enough for T&E's, rep and distributor samples, etc.

!Nvasi0n
01-22-13, 23:40
Looks good! Impressive weight, but would have liked to seen higher quality barrel, and a modular floated rail for that price.

Ironbutt
01-26-13, 10:17
I'm really tempted!

On Thursday I heard from a reliable source, that my local LE supplier will be getting the black, MagPul/Troy/18" version very soon & they'll be going for $1097 (That's with my LE discount).

Oh, hell! I might as well go for it. They already have another Colt 6920 in the pipeline for me.

Jake'sDad
01-26-13, 21:45
I'm really tempted!

On Thursday I heard from a reliable source, that my local LE supplier will be getting the black, MagPul/Troy/18" version very soon & they'll be going for $1097 (That's with my LE discount).

I think wholesale is higher than that, but let us know. That would sure be a good deal.

Bedouin2W
01-30-13, 19:28
Paid $1,650 + tax - not factoring in the S&W $100 rebate gives to MIL/LEO - for the optics ready version (no BUIS).
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/PS/2013/811311_v012913a.pdf

I want to make this into a dedicated hunting rifle, not really a DMR or a battle rifle, but also something that if I were to go to some long range (> 500m) shooting it would be accurate and comfortable to shoot.

Right now what I have in mind are the following upgrades:

3x-5x optic - I am clueless on real scopes so if any suggestions or recommendations is appreciated
Magpul PRS stock - any alternate suggestions? I am a bit of a Magpul whore so I haven't looked at any other stocks yet.
Troy Free Float BattleRail - looks easy to install, unless the gas block presents a problem
GG&G XDS Bipod - As light as the rifle is I doubt I will need the heavy duty one, but I am welcome to any thoughts or alternate suggestions
ERGO Tactical Deluxe Sure Grip Pistol Grip
VTAC Wide Padded Sling - I am not a fan of padded slings but after throwing on an optic, bipod, rails, etc... I think this would be worth the extra money especially if I am humping it up and down mountains
Since I am not even considering this in a battle rifle role, I am going to skip on the BUIS - thoughts? advantages/disadvantages?


Again, any feedback is appreciated

carbinero
01-30-13, 19:44
My thoughts are...I want feedback from you!

Close-up pics of BCG, etc.! How does the trigger feel?

What do you plan to hunt with it?

I like the 3-9x for the amazing range of choices in any price point you want. You will need to decide 1" or 30mm. I have shot 308 to 500 with 9x, but anything further and I'd want higher power. Don't skimp on the mount. Go Larue or comparable quality...

Bedouin2W
01-30-13, 20:50
My thoughts are...I want feedback from you!

Close-up pics of BCG, etc.! How does the trigger feel?

What do you plan to hunt with it?

I like the 3-9x for the amazing range of choices in any price point you want. You will need to decide 1" or 30mm. I have shot 308 to 500 with 9x, but anything further and I'd want higher power. Don't skimp on the mount. Go Larue or comparable quality...

I am at work right now, but I will post pics of the BCG tomorrow morning. Haven't shot it yet (no optics, no ammo, no range close that allows .308, just picked it up this morning) but I will fire it on some snap caps or dry fire it and give you some feedback.

I am a virgin to .308 so when I broke it down today I was blown away at the size of the BCG. It is just so massive compared to a 5.56 BCG. I could use the BCG to club an animal since I currently have no ammo.

As stated by Grant and others on here, it is light! Def more of a battle rifle weight than a DMR weight. The stock hand guards feel skinny to me, but I have been running free float quard rails and Magpul MOE hand guards on my AR-15s. Also, I haven't really felt stock handguards since the last time I carried a M16A2 (2005).

Hunting wise, just use for assorted western-US wildlife short of elk, mule deer, etc... more for yotes, javelina, mtn lions and such. I guess it would be a great whitetail rifle if I wanted to hunt that too.

John Hearne
01-30-13, 20:50
Several of us at work are very excited by the S&W offering. We're only allowed DI guns and the weight seems reasonable.

BrigandTwoFour
01-30-13, 21:54
As soon as I saw these at shot, I started letting several of my friends know. They've been interested in trying out a .308 platform, but didn't want to drop the money for a Larue, KAC, or GAP. But they also didn't trust DPMS.

The fact that these things are already available is just bonus.

I'm definitely curious about the BCG. I've got my own .308 project in work and I hadn't settled on a BCG yet (was leaning towards a Young MFG paired with JP bolt).

Bedouin2W
01-30-13, 22:15
They've been interested in trying out a .308 platform, but didn't want to drop the money for a Larue, KAC, or GAP. But they also didn't trust DPMS.

Exactly why I went with the M&P10. At $1550+ tax (after rebate) it can't be beat.

I will get pics of the BCG up tomorrow morning, NLT 9am EST.

Redbeardsong
01-30-13, 22:44
Clyde Armory just got these in, but the ones in stock are only for LE/Mil. Nice rifle! Really light for a .308.

Bedouin2W
01-31-13, 08:47
A hasty review and pics are in my blog post here (http://bedouin2w.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/smith-and-wesson-mp10-308-my-first-impressions/)

I hope it is informative.

carbinero
01-31-13, 10:26
Oh yes, well done. Can you post a pic of the barrel under the handguards? How does the profile diameter underneath compare to gas block-muzzle?

SurplusShooter
01-31-13, 15:04
I just saw one of these M&P 10 rifles at my local gun store.
to my (un-trained) eye, it looks Very nice. I never considered a .308 or AR-10 style rifle before but I am intrigued by this. Look and feel similar to M&P-15 rifles just scaled-up. the barrel seems thin? and flares-out to meet the flash-hider on the front.
The version I was looking at was the flat-top, no front-sight just a railed gas-block (same as pictured in Bedouin2W's blog post link, above).
The gas block appeared to be clamped-on? There were 2 horizontal screws along the bottom.
I was only seeing it in-store so didn't get a chance to disassemble it.
They had several on the rack, price was $1800.

carbinero
01-31-13, 15:11
several on the rack, price was $1800.

That is amazing in this climate.

About the GB, being clamped on, is it also pinned, or installed using rockset, or...? I'd be concerned if it's merely torqued.

SurplusShooter
01-31-13, 16:20
disclaimer: I am new to AR-10 style rifles....

That is amazing in this climate.

do you mean "smokin' good price, I would buy it" or "too high, panic price" ?

I'd be really curious to know: how does it stack-up against the DPMS LR-308; which was out before and at a lower price-point?


About the GB, being clamped on, is it also pinned, or installed using rockset, or...? I'd be concerned if it's merely torqued.
I looked for a Pin but on the bottom the only pin I saw was for the Sling Swivel attachment (that pin was too low to grab the barrel).

carbinero
01-31-13, 18:22
Amazing, like, why haven't they sold them all on gunbroker already?

bookin
01-31-13, 19:04
Held it at Shot. Is LITE! I made a couple reliability suggestions, but other than that, it looked good.



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What reliability issues did you see?

Spooky130
01-31-13, 21:04
Paid $1,650 + tax - not factoring in the S&W $100 rebate gives to MIL/LEO - for the optics ready version (no BUIS).
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/PS/2013/811311_v012913a.pdf



The rebate form on the Smith website says 5.56 rifles only for the rebate. Am I missing something?


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Bedouin2W
01-31-13, 22:19
The rebate form on the Smith website says 5.56 rifles only for the rebate. Am I missing something?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I just saw that... When I looked earlier I only read where it did not include the M&P15 Sport and M&P15-22. When they made that rebate the M&P10 hadn't hit the market yet. Hopefully they'll amend their rebate to include the M&P10.

Bedouin2W
01-31-13, 22:27
Oh yes, well done. Can you post a pic of the barrel under the handguards? How does the profile diameter underneath compare to gas block-muzzle?


About the GB, being clamped on, is it also pinned, or installed using rockset, or...? I'd be concerned if it's merely torqued.

I'll post a pics tomorrow morning of the barrel sans handguards and of the GB.

This was my first gun review, in addition to it being my first .308, so I am still learning. Also, any future gun reviews on my blog will be have nicer settings, better lighting, etc... Moving into a house soon that gives me a basement that'll give me a place for my tools, pegboard, and shop lights. I took these pictures this morning in my living room with my 3 month old puppy providing ample distractions.

Bedouin2W
01-31-13, 23:58
Sorry for the constant updates, but I am watching a cleaning video on youtube for the Armalite AR-10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKWjgaZXY7k). I've also watched a few videos on the DPMS LR-308 so I can compare and contrast it the M&P10. While seeing these, I have noticed a few more similarities and differences between the AR-10 and M&P10.

The buffer looks a lot smaller than the Armalite AR-10's buffer. I noticed The M&P10's buffer was proportionately smaller than an AR15's buffer to buffer spring (http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/MP10%20-%20JAN%2013/SDC18382_zpsf458cc4f.jpg). I should have broken out an AR15 buffer to see how the M&P10's buffer compares to it, but it is absolutely smaller than the Armalite AR-10 buffer. This is in addition to being kind of beat up where I could tell it had hit the buffer retainer pin more than a few times. The picture I posted in my review did a poor job of showing the wear on the buffer.

The BCG looks like a hybrid of the DPMS and Armalite BCGs. The shape of the bolt carrier is like a DPMS (http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/primary/259/259608.jpg)in that the bolt carrier is being rounded on the left side like an Armalite AR-10 bolt carrier (http://www.armalite.com/images/on%20page%20images/large/EB0170-7.62X39%20(1).jpg). Another DPMS characteristic of the M&P10 BCG is the bolt assembly has three gas rings, as opposed to the Armalite single gas ring. The firing pin is almost identical in appearance to the Armalite AR-10 firing pin (http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/MP10%20-%20JAN%2013/SDC18367_zps6aa1baff.jpg), with an additional spring to help prevent inertia of bolt closing sending the firing pin forward (or at least according to this video (http://youtu.be/AKWjgaZXY7k?t=34m45s)). The DPMS does not have this spring (http://www.jprifles.com/cart_pix/ph/2269.jpg).

Anyways, just some more observations I noticed.

duece71
02-01-13, 06:58
I just saw one of these M&P 10 rifles at my local gun store.
to my (un-trained) eye, it looks Very nice. I never considered a .308 or AR-10 style rifle before but I am intrigued by this. Look and feel similar to M&P-15 rifles just scaled-up. the barrel seems thin? and flares-out to meet the flash-hider on the front.
The version I was looking at was the flat-top, no front-sight just a railed gas-block (same as pictured in Bedouin2W's blog post link, above).
The gas block appeared to be clamped-on? There were 2 horizontal screws along the bottom.
I was only seeing it in-store so didn't get a chance to disassemble it.
They had several on the rack, price was $1800.

That price won't last long. Still, I am glad to see another .308 AR come to market. Looks like the camo version is already compliant the last AWB. I hope whats coming doesn't derail this rifle.

sparkman
02-01-13, 07:56
Amazing, like, why haven't they sold them all on gunbroker already?

LE/MIL sku# rifles all over the forums...2.5-3k...
"used but new"

Douche Bags

Bedouin2W
02-01-13, 08:49
Bedouin2W: S&W M&P10 More Observations (http://bedouin2w.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/sw-mp10-more-observations/)

Pictures added of the GB, barrel, castle nut, and buffer.

Most of the blog post is just a cleaned up version on what I posted earlier last night in regards to the M&P10, AR-10, LR-308 comparisons.

Also, no way I am selling mine right now. I am doing my best to not participate as a buyer or seller in this price gouging.

SurplusShooter
02-01-13, 09:29
Thanks for the updates and pictures, Bedouin2W.

gan1hck
02-01-13, 14:05
What type of magazines does this rifle use?

Do all 308 ar's use the same magazine or are there different types and sources for 308 style magazines?

Failure2Stop
02-01-13, 14:09
What type of magazines does this rifle use?

Do all 308 ar's use the same magazine or are there different types and sources for 308 style magazines?

The S&W used SR25 pattern mags, and works with the PMag LR, which is a positive.

There are a few different magazine patterns for 308 ARs.

carbinero
02-01-13, 14:56
Thanks B2W. Looks like a nice barrel taper down to...the weight everyone seems to be asking for.

M_Rapp
02-02-13, 00:27
Thanks B2W. Looks like a nice barrel taper down to...the weight everyone seems to be asking for.

I saw one of these today in a local shop but had kids in tow who were loosing patience with me so I was unable to touch and feel it. It looked nice, I was surprised to see it and didn't dare ask the price. They had a 500 round box Fed Premium 22LR for $179.95... :mad:

kry226
02-02-13, 06:43
...and didn't dare ask the price. They had a 500 round box Fed Premium 22LR for $179.95... :mad:


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Redbeardsong
02-02-13, 08:21
LE/MIL sku# rifles all over the forums...2.5-3k...
"used but new"

Douche Bags

Yeah, I've noticed that too.

JPB
02-02-13, 15:14
Is this thing chrome lined? Also why 18" and no 16" option?

Sticking with the AR10 infantry weight carbine.

MistWolf
02-02-13, 18:14
Because when it comes to the 308, an 18 inch barrel is more civilized

Redbeardsong
02-03-13, 10:13
Is this thing chrome lined? Also why 18" and no 16" option?

Sticking with the AR10 infantry weight carbine.

It is Melonited instead of chromed. With the 5R rifling, it may be more accurate than a chrome lining, and nearly as durable.

Jake'sDad
02-03-13, 14:00
Is this thing chrome lined? Also why 18" and no 16" option?

Sticking with the AR10 infantry weight carbine.


Because when it comes to the 308, an 18 inch barrel is more civilized

That and it's lighter than most of the 16" options currently available.

I'm looking forward to getting one in 18". It won't replace my 901, but I will probably hunt with it more.

But I'm sure S&W will do a 16" as well.

JPB
02-03-13, 20:10
That and it's lighter than most of the 16" options currently available.

I'm looking forward to getting one in 18". It won't replace my 901, but I will probably hunt with it more.

But I'm sure S&W will do a 16" as well.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Looks an awful lot like the Armalite rifle, except without the chrome lining and two inch longer skinny barrel. Weight is about the same.

I'd like one with a 16" barrel. It'd be fun to compare the two rifles. It looks like it may have forged receivers too.

kittyhawk
02-06-13, 00:43
Range report please? Hopefully it is a decent shooter.

scottr
02-06-13, 02:37
I saw one of these today in a local shop but had kids in tow who were loosing patience with me so I was unable to touch and feel it. It looked nice, I was surprised to see it and didn't dare ask the price. They had a 500 round box Fed Premium 22LR for $179.95... :mad:

Not just Federal Premium, but UM22. And yeah, that price shocked me too when I first saw it a year or so ago. You haven't been there for a while? They had plenty of .22LR at all price points until at least early January. So now try to find .22LR anywhere in Anchorage, and what is left? Evidently only Federal UM22 at $180/500.

And before everyone thinks they are ripping us off, what are other places selling it for? The first place I saw it online in stock is $18.45/box of 50, plus shipping to Alaska.

Go back and check out the M&P. You might be surprised at the price if they still have it in stock. If I had the money I would have bought it already, but SWMBO said a washer, dryer, and frig came first. After she paid for my Semper Paratus Armorer's Class for my birthday and didn't complain when I spent $<cough> on tools, parts, and uppers since the Great Panic began, I wisely said "Yes, we do need those!".

ETA: Check out the Semper Paratus AR Armorer class, BTW. Great info, knowledgeable instructor, and a good time.

Bedouin2W
02-06-13, 09:02
Initial range report posted at TOS indicates it may be a little picky with ammo. Shooter was having problems with CBC 7.62x51 but had no issues with Remington express core-lokt .308.

I finally showed the better half my M&P10 purchase. I braced myself for the worst. She wasn't upset at all but maybe it was because we have been looking at engagement rings over the past two days.

scottr
02-06-13, 18:35
Went by the Anchorage store today, no M&P10s behind the counter. But I still couldn't have bought it. :(

All the bricks of Federal UM22 were gone. They had 12 individual boxes, and that was it. Must not have been too bad a price after all.

Redbeardsong
02-07-13, 18:00
Initial range report posted at TOS indicates it may be a little picky with ammo. Shooter was having problems with CBC 7.62x51 but had no issues with Remington express core-lokt .308.

I finally showed the better half my M&P10 purchase. I braced myself for the worst. She wasn't upset at all but maybe it was because we have been looking at engagement rings over the past two days.

I had an LE customer who bought one show me a pic of his Shoot n See target from 100yds, and it was a nice small group on his first outing with it.

C4IGrant
02-14-13, 13:01
We now have some in stock!


http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311308



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jstalford
02-14-13, 13:19
That is a great price.

Sooooo tempting.

twadsw01
02-14-13, 16:16
Grant, did they incorporate the reliability improvements that you mentioned suggesting to them at SHOT show this year?

C4IGrant
02-14-13, 16:30
Grant, did they incorporate the reliability improvements that you mentioned suggesting to them at SHOT show this year?

They did not.

Is that the end of the world? No. As with all guns, some things could be done better.


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M_Rapp
02-14-13, 16:35
They did not.

Is that the end of the world? No. As with all guns, some things could be done better.

C4
Could you expand a bit on what you suggested? In particular what it would cost a guy to make those changes?

Thanks!

C4IGrant
02-14-13, 16:39
Could you expand a bit on what you suggested? In particular what it would cost a guy to make those changes?

Thanks!

I have an NDA signed with S&W so......



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M_Rapp
02-14-13, 16:50
I have an NDA signed with S&W so......
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Enough said... Thanks.

Cincinnatus
02-14-13, 19:58
So...if the chromed components are indeed all the places this rifle is chromed, that means no chrome-lined barrel? Is it all least some other lining?

C4IGrant
02-14-13, 19:59
So...if the chromed components are indeed all the places this rifle is chromed, that means no chrome-lined barrel? Is it all least some other lining?

It is melonited.


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Cincinnatus
02-14-13, 20:00
It is melonited.


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10-4. Thanks.

Cincinnatus
02-14-13, 20:05
What is the gas system length? What sort of barrel nut? I am playing around with some rail options.

Little Creek
02-14-13, 20:17
What is the gas system length? What sort of barrel nut? I am playing around with some rail options.

I have one. It has a midlength gas system. I understand that the OR model will take the standard Magpul midlength handguard.

I do not know about the barrel nut. I would like to free float the barrel, but due to money being scarce at this time, I may leave it like it is or just go with the Magpul handguard. I do not like the sling swivel arrangement.

I just mounted a scope, hope to shoot some groups on Saturday.

C4IGrant
02-14-13, 20:36
What is the gas system length? What sort of barrel nut? I am playing around with some rail options.

Middy. Not sure on the barrel nut (haven't taken one apart yet).




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gunnut284
02-15-13, 05:20
The Smith rep on TOS said they are compatable with DPMS (low) type barrel nut model handguards such as the Troy and DD offerings. I'm not sure what the stock handguard/barrel nut is like (my rifle should be here next week) but there should be handguards available.

mkmckinley
02-15-13, 13:05
So are these babies compatible with non-S&W/standard AR-10 uppers? How about aftermarket triggers, stocks etc?

Ryno12
02-15-13, 17:16
Thought I'd better take one off your hands Grant. Thanks!

C4IGrant
02-15-13, 17:17
Thought I'd better take one off your hands Grant. Thanks!

We appreciate that!



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huan
02-16-13, 12:05
Middy. Not sure on the barrel nut (haven't taken one apart yet).




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does this mean the handguard can be swapped for a standard MOE or is there something different about the setup that would prevent that?

edit: nm, reading ftw

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/trobertson5-0/101_0876_zps55abcd82.jpg

Grand58742
02-16-13, 16:18
And another question for Grant...

Standard threads on the muzzle device?

And for anyone, any accuracy guarantees or first hand experience? Know it hasn't been out there that long, but hoping.

beavis612
02-18-13, 13:41
The Smith rep on TOS said they are compatable with DPMS (low) type barrel nut model handguards such as the Troy and DD offerings. I'm not sure what the stock handguard/barrel nut is like (my rifle should be here next week) but there should be handguards available.

Troy CS confirmed to me these rifles can use the TRX-308 DPMS "low profile reciever" rail systems. I beleive Samson is working on a 308 compatible Evo system.

kittyhawk
02-18-13, 13:44
Originally Posted by gunnut284 (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1549106)

The Smith rep on TOS said they are compatable with DPMS (low) type barrel nut model handguards such as the Troy and DD offerings. I'm not sure what the stock handguard/barrel nut is like (my rifle should be here next week) but there should be handguards available.



Troy CS confirmed to me these rifles can use the TRX-308 DPMS "low profile reciever" rail systems. I beleive Samson is working on a 308 compatible Evo system.


That's good news. I like the Samson Evo rail so that will be a good choice.

gergregg
02-18-13, 15:42
Picked up mine last Friday local for a smoking deal. Time to start ordering parts. Any pics of anything specific... let me know.

nickdrak
02-18-13, 16:10
This new .308 from S&W is of particular interest to me. Especially if it is compatible with the yet to be released Centurion Arms .308 handguard.

Im thinking the stock barrel should be plenty accurate for the meantime and there are some good .308 barrel options from Rainier and a few other sources.

gunnut284
02-18-13, 16:45
This new .308 from S&W is of particular interest to me. Especially if it is compatible with the yet to be released Centurion Arms .308 handguard.

Im thinking the stock barrel should be plenty accurate for the meantime and there are some good .308 barrel options from Rainier and a few other sources.

I'm interested to find out what parts interchange with the other models. The handguard question has been answered but I haven't heard anything about barrels, bolt/carriers, uppers, etc. It appears to be a bit different in some parts but I haven't seen one in person yet to see how much. I'll compare mine with my friend's DPMS when my Smith gets here (hopefully later this week).

Ryno12
02-18-13, 19:26
I'll compare mine with my friend's DPMS when my Smith gets here (hopefully later this week).

I was gonna do the same with my buddy's SR-25.

Cincinnatus
02-18-13, 22:50
I am very interested to hear how the SW lower fits with the SR25, DPMS and other uppers. Though I would think it will not fit with SR 25 since back of SR 25 upper is slanted diagonally and back of Smith upper is rounded

mrjinglesusa
02-19-13, 16:02
Thought I'd better take one off your hands Grant. Thanks!

Ditto! Thanks Grant!

gunnut284
02-20-13, 04:01
I just did a comparison of my M&P10 (came in today) and a DPMS LR-308 AP4. The M&P upper fit on the DPMS lower just fine, though the contours were off (the DPMS upper is much thicker and the lower is contoured to match) and there was a small gap along the bottom edge. The DPMS upper didn't fit on the M&P lower as the front lug was slightly too wide (the DPMS is practically new and the M&P just came out of the box so there was no wear on any of the parts). The bolt carrier groups appeared to be very similar but the M&P bolt wouldn't go into the lugs of the DPMS and the DPMS bolt would only go into the lug area a small amount and wound't lock up. The M&P10 is much lighter and handles nicely, the DPMS is a pig compared to the M&P. It's just one example of each so it could be a fluke but they appear to be very similar in design but not interchangeable for many parts. FWIW, the buffer tube is mil spec diameter.

Ryno12
02-20-13, 06:41
FWIW, the buffer tube is mil spec diameter.

Thanks, that's good to know. I was planning on ditching the OEM stock once it arrives but now I can get one on order.

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Failure2Stop
02-20-13, 08:44
I am very interested to hear how the SW lower fits with the SR25, DPMS and other uppers. Though I would think it will not fit with SR 25 since back of SR 25 upper is slanted diagonally and back of Smith upper is rounded

That is correct.

gunnut284
02-20-13, 14:00
Thanks, that's good to know. I was planning on ditching the OEM stock once it arrives but now I can get one on order.

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My mil spec MOE stock went right on and was neither loose nor too tight. The tube does appear to be a little bit longer than a regular AR-15 tube.

trackmagic
02-20-13, 17:33
Could you expand a bit on what you suggested? In particular what it would cost a guy to make those changes?

Thanks!

I'm not sure if this is Grant's suggestion, but I have heard a few people say they wish the gas block was pinned. I guess the clamp on ones can potentially slip.

trackmagic
02-20-13, 17:34
Probably pretty minor though.

Lawdog537
02-21-13, 21:55
Has anyone tried a Magpul PRS stock on these yet? Does the PRS for the AR10/SR25 work? Also, if you use the Troy rail, do you have to replace the gas block?

Ryno12
02-21-13, 22:00
The buffer tube is standard mil-spec AR 15, just slightly longer. I just put an ACS on and it fits just fine. Not positive about the Troy rail but I'm guessing it would require a low profile GB.

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JPB
02-21-13, 22:19
I'm not sure if this is Grant's suggestion, but I have heard a few people say they wish the gas block was pinned. I guess the clamp on ones can potentially slip.

Pretty easy to pin the clamp on if that matters to you.

trackmagic
02-21-13, 23:07
Not to me, but it does eliminate that risk. I plan on buying one of these if they are available when my taxes come back. I posted that mostly to set people's minds at ease since that was the biggest "issue" I have heard of.

gergregg
02-21-13, 23:44
A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer in hand and waiting on the PRS. Also, waiting on the dd 12.0 lite rail and BCM Gunfighter charging handle. Will keep this updated when it all arrives.

scottr
02-21-13, 23:51
gunnut284, you are correct in that the BCG in not compatible.

S&W rep on TOS said it is a proprietary BCG.

carbinero
02-22-13, 00:31
I would definitely have it pinned. I'm no armorer, but I'm pretty sure that is the proper thing to do, similar to properly staking gas key and castle nut, when those are not already, etc.

Ryno12
02-22-13, 07:23
A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer in hand and waiting on the PRS. Also, waiting on the dd 12.0 lite rail and BCM Gunfighter charging handle. Will keep this updated when it all arrives.

That's very close to the same set up I was going after. I'm just being tight so I was gonna wait awhile. Post some pics when you're done. That might be the push that I need.

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Koshinn
02-22-13, 07:36
I'm not sure if this is Grant's suggestion, but I have heard a few people say they wish the gas block was pinned. I guess the clamp on ones can potentially slip.

I've seen a test on mil morons with a clamped on gas block. Vltor essentially welded an adapter for a torque wrench on a clamp on gas block and increased torque values on the wrench until they could rotate the gas block.

The barrel index pin sheared before they could rotate the clamp on gas block, which took a ridiculously high amount of torque.

Don't worry about a properly installed clamp on gas block.

mrjinglesusa
02-22-13, 12:14
A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer in hand and waiting on the PRS. Also, waiting on the dd 12.0 lite rail and BCM Gunfighter charging handle. Will keep this updated when it all arrives.

This will be my first .308. I have a M&P-15 so am familiar with the "AR" platform.

I want to change the stock to a PRS as well. Do I need to get an A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer to do so? If so, can you tell me where you got yours? And were you able to find a PRS stock in stock anywhere? I want a black one but everywhere I looked were out of stock.

Should be picking up my M&P-10 from dealer tonight. Magpul mid-length handguards, scope mount, and scope scheduled for delivery tonight as well. :D

EDIT: Do you only need the A2 buffer tube if you want to use the "AR-15" Magpul PRS? If I can find the .308 Magpul PRS stock, I can use the existing buffer tube?

rsgard
02-22-13, 12:46
double tap

rsgard
02-22-13, 12:48
This will be my first .308. I have a M&P-15 so am familiar with the "AR" platform.

I want to change the stock to a PRS as well. Do I need to get an A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer to do so? If so, can you tell me where you got yours? And were you able to find a PRS stock in stock anywhere? I want a black one but everywhere I looked were out of stock.

Should be picking up my M&P-10 from dealer tonight. Magpul mid-length handguards, scope mount, and scope scheduled for delivery tonight as well. :D

EDIT: Do you only need the A2 buffer tube if you want to use the "AR-15" Magpul PRS? If I can find the .308 Magpul PRS stock, I can use the existing buffer tube?

It has the milspec diameter AR15 buffer tube. Just confirmed by putting the magpul moe stock from my ar15 onto my mp10. Only difference is the MP10 buffer tube is 1/2 inch longer.

gergregg
02-22-13, 13:09
That's very close to the same set up I was going after. I'm just being tight so I was gonna wait awhile. Post some pics when you're done. That might be the push that I need.

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Will do with the pics. Most of the stuff should be here Monday with the exception of the rail. Ordered it directly from DD because it was the only place that showed stock that I saw.

gergregg
02-22-13, 13:24
This will be my first .308. I have a M&P-15 so am familiar with the "AR" platform.

I want to change the stock to a PRS as well. Do I need to get an A2 buffer tube and rifle buffer to do so? If so, can you tell me where you got yours? And were you able to find a PRS stock in stock anywhere? I want a black one but everywhere I looked were out of stock.

Should be picking up my M&P-10 from dealer tonight. Magpul mid-length handguards, scope mount, and scope scheduled for delivery tonight as well. :D

EDIT: Do you only need the A2 buffer tube if you want to use the "AR-15" Magpul PRS? If I can find the .308 Magpul PRS stock, I can use the existing buffer tube?

Yes, the PRS either the AR15 or 10 version both connect to a rifle/A2 buffer tube. I believe the only difference between the two is a shorter cheek area to allow clearance for the charging handle on the 10. From the research I did you will need the rifle/A2 tube and AR10 rifle buffer. The springs appear to be the same for both rifle/fixed and collapsible tubes.

Got my stuff from:

Primaryarms had the AR10 rifle buffer and I picked up an extra spring.
PKfirearms had the black AR10 prs in stock and rifle/A2 tube.

PK doesn't seem to have any currently in stock. If they have stuff listed they say they have it and it shipped very quickly.

We will see how this all goes together and how it functions afterwards. The thing about these .308's is there is a fair amount of variation/proprietary stuff to each manufacturer and the smith is so new.

Make sure and put some pics of your build up!

mrjinglesusa
02-22-13, 14:08
Yes, the PRS either the AR15 or 10 version both connect to a rifle/A2 buffer tube. I believe the only difference between the two is a shorter cheek area to allow clearance for the charging handle on the 10. From the research I did you will need the rifle/A2 tube and AR10 rifle buffer. The springs appear to be the same for both rifle/fixed and collapsible tubes.

Got my stuff from:

Primaryarms had the AR10 rifle buffer and I picked up an extra spring.
PKfirearms had the black AR10 prs in stock and rifle/A2 tube.

PK doesn't seem to have any currently in stock. If they have stuff listed they say they have it and it shipped very quickly.

We will see how this all goes together and how it functions afterwards. The thing about these .308's is there is a fair amount of variation/proprietary stuff to each manufacturer and the smith is so new.

Make sure and put some pics of your build up!

Awesome - thanks for the info. I'm going to go ahead and order the rifle buffer and rifle/A2 tube.

Will do on the pics - can't wait to pick this up tonight.

Lawdog537
02-22-13, 16:06
Wouldn't you just use the buffer and spring that came with the S&W AR10 with the PRS stock? What am I missing here?

Ryno12
02-22-13, 16:46
Wouldn't you just use the buffer and spring that came with the S&W AR10 with the PRS stock? What am I missing here?

Yeah, I was wondering the same.

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gergregg
02-22-13, 17:56
Wouldn't you just use the buffer and spring that came with the e S&W AR10 with the PRS stock? What am I missing here?

From what I researched springs are supposed to be the same on the ar10 platform between the rifle/a2 tube and the collapsible tube. On the ar15 platform if you had a fixed stock you would have a longer spring and buffer then you would on the carbine. They make a specific rifle buffer for the ar10 that is shorter than a normal ar15 rifle buffer because of the increased size of the bcg. You would want to use the ar10 rifle buffer with the rifle tube to prevent damage. The same reason you would use the rifle buffer with the rifle tube on an ar15 rifle and not the carbine buffer.

Ryno12
02-23-13, 07:50
Gotcha, thanks. After a little searching, I also saw this:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=61019



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carbinero
02-23-13, 14:58
I've seen a test on mil morons with a clamped on gas block. Vltor essentially welded an adapter for a torque wrench on a clamp on gas block and increased torque values on the wrench until they could rotate the gas block.

The barrel index pin sheared before they could rotate the clamp on gas block, which took a ridiculously high amount of torque.

Don't worry about a properly installed clamp on gas block.

This is pertinent: http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-73379.html

Koshinn
02-23-13, 15:34
This is pertinent: http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-73379.html

http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.optics2.html

About 2/3 the way down.

It comes down to quality components (YHM is not) and proper installation.

Of course pinning is the best, but clamping isn't bad either if done right.

carbinero
02-23-13, 16:20
http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.optics2.html

About 2/3 the way down.

It comes down to quality components (YHM is not) and proper installation.

Of course pinning is the best, but clamping isn't bad either if done right.

Good read. Thank you. If you get this from a factory and are concerned about proper installation--and if you are going to have a gunsmith reinstall anyhow--what do you think about using rocksett as well?

mrjinglesusa
02-23-13, 21:03
Just picked my M&P-10 up from my FFL today. Swapped out the stock handguard for Magpul MOE Midlength.

Scope is an SS 10x42 mounted to a Burris QD.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8528/8502406328_cb35ec824c.jpg

Now I just need to get to the range!

Ryno12
02-23-13, 21:15
Just picked my M&P-10 up from my FFL today. Swapped out the stock handguard for Magpul MOE Midlength.

Scope is an SS 10x42 mounted to a Burris QD.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8528/8502406328_cb35ec824c.jpg

Now I just need to get to the range!

Looks good. I've already swapped the handguard & stock. Still waiting on a new scope mount & BCM charging handle. Got a chance to run a mag full through it today. Shot well & I'm pretty happy with it so far. Looking forward to some better weather when I can really give it a work out.

carbinero
02-23-13, 22:23
Any idea why they designed such a long FH instead of simply using an A2?

rsgard
02-23-13, 23:21
Anyone have any 10 shot groups yet? I havent been able to find anything on accuracy yet.

Lawdog537
02-23-13, 23:33
gergregg, Thanks for the info. The other link helped too. Now that the stock question is squared away, lets hear some ideas for a front rail and which low pro gas block works. Also, KEEP THE PICTURES COMING!!!!

trackmagic
02-24-13, 01:04
Anyone have any 10 shot groups yet? I havent been able to find anything on accuracy yet.

Not 10 shot groups, but this guy shot his:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/603229_SandW_MandP__308__10_.html

gergregg
02-24-13, 01:49
gergregg, Thanks for the info. The other link helped too. Now that the stock question is squared away, lets hear some ideas for a front rail and which low pro gas block works. Also, KEEP THE PICTURES COMING!!!!

I'm putting the daniel defense 7.62 12.0 lite rail ( dpms barrel nut which is supposed to be compatible with the smith) on with daniel defense low profile gas block. Gas blocks are interchangeable with the ar15 platform from what I understand.

gergregg
02-25-13, 11:07
Got some good second hand news on the accuracy of the rifle from a local swat team member. He said one of their snipers purchased one and was very very impressed with the accuracy of the M&P 10. I'm not sure how you quantify "very very" but it was nice to hear from someone who has shot a lot on the 308 AR platform and does it for a living. Have to see if I can get a hold of some grouping pictures.

gergregg
02-25-13, 19:51
The AR10 PRS is on there is no issues You don't have to worry about the spring for the take down pin that is normally under the end plate on an ar15 when removed the tube. It is located under the grip on the 10.

The BCM gunfigher charging handle is a different story though. It was a no go after trying to put the bolt in and pushing everything forward into place. Things got very tight. Removed the BCM and noticed a distinct difference at the forward top section of the charging handle that ends up under that gas tube. There is a raised portion on the top that was not present on the factory smith part (it does exist on both bcm and smith ar15 parts). I did a little comparative measuring with a micrometer to see if there were any other differences and the BCM is ever so slightly wider but that does not seem to be an issue. The issue appeared to be the height with that raised area. I decided to sacrifice the the bcm charging handle and filed the top area flat. Things could now function but I measured and more material would have to be removed to get it to the factory height and you could still feel a distinct difference (tightness) between factory and BCM

Ryno12
02-25-13, 20:04
The AR10 PRS is on there is no issues You don't have to worry about the spring for the take down pin that is normally under the end plate on an ar15 when removed the tube. It is located under the grip on the 10.

The BCM gunfigher charging handle is a different story though. It was a no go after trying to put the bolt in and pushing everything forward into place. Things got very tight. Removed the BCM and noticed a distinct difference at the forward top section of the charging handle that ends up under that gas tube. There is a raised portion on the top that was not present on the factory smith part (it does exist on both bcm and smith ar15 parts). I did a little comparative measuring with a micrometer to see if there were any other differences and the BCM is ever so slightly wider but that does not seem to be an issue. The issue appeared to be the height with that raised area. I decided to sacrifice the the bcm charging handle and filed the top area flat. Things could now function but I measured and more material would have to be removed to get it to the factory height and you could still feel a distinct difference (tightness) between factory and BCM

I have no issues with my BCM CH. It works great.

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gergregg
02-25-13, 20:30
I have no issues with my BCM CH. It works great.

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Really... where did you get yours from?? Wow... I got mine from BCM and while I could force it, it was not operating how it should. I modified the top and could finally get the bolt to seat but it still wasn't good. There was also a lip on the underside I had to remove to get it to function normally.

Ryno12
02-25-13, 20:37
Really... where did you get yours from?? Wow... I got mine from BCM and while I could force it, it was not operating how it should. I modified the top and could finally get the bolt to seat but it still wasn't good. There was also a lip on the underside I had to remove to get it to function normally.

Got it from BCM, arrived today. I didn't get a chance to shoot it but cycled manually with no issues.

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gergregg
02-25-13, 20:58
Got it from BCM, arrived today. I didn't get a chance to shoot it but cycled manually with no issues.

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What size did you get?

Ryno12
02-25-13, 21:02
What size did you get?

Medium... Mod 4, I think.

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mrjinglesusa
02-25-13, 21:10
I've got a Medium Mod4 BCM CH on its way to me that I can check as well. Would S&W use a proprietary CH? Seems weird.

Ryno12
02-25-13, 21:22
I'd contact BCM, they'll take care of it. I noticed mine is the old version, unless they didn't update the 7.62 model.

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gergregg
02-25-13, 23:36
I'd contact BCM, they'll take care of it. I noticed mine is the old version, unless they didn't update the 7.62 model.

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Very interesting... I have a mod 4 also. Thanks for the feedback.

gergregg
02-25-13, 23:37
I've got a Medium Mod4 BCM CH on its way to me that I can check as well. Would S&W use a proprietary CH? Seems weird.

You wouldn't think so... Maybe I just got a defective part. Let us know how it goes.

Ryno12
02-26-13, 00:02
Maybe I just got a defective part.

That's what I'm thinking. Did you get it directly from BCM?

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gergregg
02-26-13, 00:05
That's what I'm thinking. Did you get it directly from BCM?

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I did... it arrived today.

Ryno12
02-26-13, 00:09
I did... it arrived today.

Yeah, sorry. Just reread your post and saw that you mentioned that...
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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mrjinglesusa
02-27-13, 17:56
I've got a Medium Mod4 BCM CH on its way to me that I can check as well. Would S&W use a proprietary CH? Seems weird.

My BCM Mod4 CH came in today. Seems to fit and function just fine. Manually cycles as it should.

Ryno12
02-27-13, 18:01
My BCM Mod4 CH came in today. Seems to fit and function just fine. Manually cycles as it should.

Is it the old version? I haven't been able to find anywhere if BCM updated the 7.62 CH also or not.

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mrjinglesusa
02-27-13, 18:02
Is it the old version? I haven't been able to find anywhere if BCM updated the 7.62 CH also or not.

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Sorry, maybe a stupid question, but how can I tell if it's the "old" version?

Ryno12
02-27-13, 18:08
Sorry, maybe a stupid question, but how can I tell if it's the "old" version?

The old version looks similar to the OEM CH except for the latch. The new version has a lip around the top.

http://www.recoilweb.com/new-bravo-company-gunfighter-charging-handle-comparison-7479.html

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mrjinglesusa
02-27-13, 18:13
The old version looks similar to the OEM CH except for the latch. The new version has a lip around the top.

http://www.recoilweb.com/new-bravo-company-gunfighter-charging-handle-comparison-7479.html

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Ah gotcha. It's the old version - no lip around the top.

gergregg
02-27-13, 20:24
Any chance either of you could post a picture top and bottom of your charging handles? Thanks.

Ryno12
02-27-13, 21:06
Any chance either of you could post a picture top and bottom of your charging handles? Thanks.

Sorry, cell phone pics.

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gergregg
02-27-13, 21:52
Thanks!

evenodds20
02-27-13, 23:57
Just ordered and paid for my M&P10 today. got it for $1399.:dance3: shipping and tax was a little rough since i was in the same state but the upside is that shipping is 1 day so it shipped out today, and will be at my FFL tomorrow. i may not be able to pick it up until friday since i deal with a private FFL. weird hours. anyways, ill whip out the nikon D7000 with my 14-242.8 and snap some high quality shots for you guys that are thinking about it. let me know if there is anything in particular you want to see.

Some of my concerns prior to ordering were the color variations in the gas block and ambi controls. it seems as though they are a grayish color instead of an anodized black, or whatever most controls are. I own an M&P15 and my gas block is black. so to have an off color gas block really sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

carbinero
02-28-13, 00:05
Just ordered and paid for my M&P10 today. got it for $1399.:dance3: shipping and tax was a little rough since i was in the same state but the upside is that shipping is 1 day so it shipped out today, and will be at my FFL tomorrow. i may not be able to pick it up until friday since i deal with a private FFL. weird hours. anyways, ill whip out the nikon D7000 with my 14-242.8 and snap some high quality shots for you guys that are thinking about it. let me know if there is anything in particular you want to see.

Oh yeah, I'd love to see a shot with the handguards off, with the GB in the middle, so you can see the contrast between the barrel diameter under the HG and fore of the GB. If you have a means of measuring the diameter in both locations, that would be sweet as well. Congrats on the great deal!

ETA: now that we have several really good choices in 308, at various price ranges, it would be great to see a profile chart like this http://www.ar15barrels.com/profiles.shtml comparing S&W, Colt, LMT, etc.

evenodds20
02-28-13, 00:14
Oh yeah, I'd love to see a shot with the handguards off, with the GB in the middle, so you can see the contrast between the barrel diameter under the HG and fore of the GB. If you have a means of measuring the diameter in both locations, that would be sweet as well. Congrats on the great deal!

ETA: now that we have several really good choices in 308, at various price ranges, it would be great to see a profile chart like this http://www.ar15barrels.com/profiles.shtml comparing S&W, Colt, LMT, etc.

ive got my reloading micrometer. ill gauge a few areas and snap a few pics. I hope to have some pics up by this weekend.

evenodds20
02-28-13, 17:18
I found a great video overview of the M&P10. this guys does a pretty good job of reviewing its features!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP-cFQjdN5M

Ryno12
02-28-13, 17:33
gergregg, did you figure out the issue with your CH and/or did you contact BCM?

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evenodds20
02-28-13, 17:42
Heres another awesome video on some customization. he tried a new barrel, rail, CH, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBvF_EWv5s

mrjinglesusa
02-28-13, 20:13
Heres another awesome video on some customization. he tried a new barrel, rail, CH, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBvF_EWv5s

Interesting thing from that video towards the end: his BCM Gunfighter Charging handle wouldn't fit - said it got stuck.

mrjinglesusa
02-28-13, 20:36
0.625" or 0.750" low profile gas block? About to order 15" Apex Gator handguards and low profile gas block...

NEVERMIND: 0.750"

ROGOPGEAR
02-28-13, 21:10
Heres another awesome video on some customization. he tried a new barrel, rail, CH, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBvF_EWv5s

So this is my vid, thanks for posting. I'm gonna have to come back and read this thread later when I have time, sounds like some of you are modding the CH successfully. Mine would get jammed once the BCG was added and I would have to forcefully remove it.

Brad

mrjinglesusa
02-28-13, 21:14
So this is my vid, thanks for posting. I'm gonna have to come back and read this thread later when I have time, sounds like some of you are modding the CH successfully. Mine would get jammed once the BCG was added and I would have to forcefully remove it.

Brad

Thanks for the video! It inspired me to get the 15" Apex hand guard and an low profile gas block.

For anyone else interested in the Apex, when I placed my order it showed they had 3 in stock.

gergregg
02-28-13, 21:19
gergregg, did you figure out the issue with your CH and/or did you contact BCM?

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I did contact them and they said the one I got was designed as it was supposed to be but that there could still be older ones out there that could be different. I had the same issue as the guy in the video with it getting stuck.

gergregg
02-28-13, 21:32
So this is my vid, thanks for posting. I'm gonna have to come back and read this thread later when I have time, sounds like some of you are modding the CH successfully. Mine would get jammed once the BCG was added and I would have to forcefully remove it.

Brad

I did mod mine. Pulled out the micro meter and noticed and measured a couple differences and made them as close to the same spec as the smith part.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130228_182402%20(1).jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/20130228_182418%20(1).jpg

evenodds20
02-28-13, 22:30
Yeah those videos help alot of people. I pick my M&P up tomorrow morning at 9am.

Ryno12
03-01-13, 07:11
I did contact them and they said the one I got was designed as it was supposed to be but that there could still be older ones out there that could be different. I had the same issue as the guy in the video with it getting stuck.

So I'm curious if it's the new model that fits or if it's the old. One would think that there would be a revision number on the new model if the dimensions were changed. Also, we both bought these straight from BCM very close to the same time, so they have a mixed stock there. Not sure where mrjinglesusa got his but out of four M&P 10s discussed here w/ a new CH , we're batting .500. Something to think about for any future M&P10 owners wishing to upgrade the CH.

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mrjinglesusa
03-01-13, 07:53
I got my BCM Gunfighter CH straight from Bravo Company.

gergregg
03-01-13, 09:55
So I'm curious if it's the new model that fits or if it's the old. One would think that there would be a revision number on the new model if the dimensions were changed. Also, we both bought these straight from BCM very close to the same time, so they have a mixed stock there. Not sure where mrjinglesusa got his but out of four M&P 10s discussed here w/ a new CH , we're batting .500. Something to think about for any future M&P10 owners wishing to upgrade the CH.

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Well I ordered another one from the BCM as an experiment to see what I get. We shall see... Should be here Monday. I decided I wanted to give their gunfighter grips a try also so figured why not.

Ryno12
03-01-13, 10:04
Well I ordered another one from the BCM as an experiment to see what I get. We shall see... Should be here Monday. I decided I wanted to give their gunfighter grips a try also so figured why not.

Why not? Could end up just being a $54 paperweight. :D
Obviously, the changes made to the CH still work in the other 308s so I'm assuming this will be only an issue in the M&P10s and its differences with the upper receiver. I'm curious as to the actual dimensional differences between the two CHs.



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evenodds20
03-01-13, 13:01
Ok so I just picked up my New M&P10. upon opening up the case i see that there is a ACS brand 10rd magazine that came with it. I curious as to what others have received in way of magazines. I know some of you got the 20rd Pmag but i just want to know if maybe this dealer stripped the Pmag out of mine and tossed in an off brand 10 rounder. Also, if anyone does have the 10 rd mag, does it drop free? mine fits pretty snug and i have to pull it out of the mag well after depressing the mag release button.

mrjinglesusa
03-01-13, 13:06
Ok so I just picked up my New M&P10. upon opening up the case i see that there is a ACS brand 10rd magazine that came with it. I curious as to what others have received in way of magazines. I know some of you got the 20rd Pmag but i just want to know if maybe this dealer stripped the Pmag out of mine and tossed in an off brand 10 rounder. Also, if anyone does have the 10 rd mag, does it drop free? mine fits pretty snug and i have to pull it out of the mag well after depressing the mag release button.

What's your model number? Should be written somewhere on the brown box it came in or the label on the case. Mine is model #311308. It came with a PMag.

There are other model numbers that do NOT come with PMags but with a 10-round mag. I know #311308 comes with a PMag.

evenodds20
03-01-13, 13:17
the FFL didnt give me the carboard box it came it. I just checked the white label on the black case it came in and its 811311, which going by their website states it came with the aluminum magazine as it has. So i guess there was no swapping.

when i opened it up, the magazine butt plate was popped off and it was curved/bent. the spring was just hanging out of the bottom of the mag. I re bent the butt plate flat again and reinstalled the mag spring and plate. The follower seems to stick in the center of the mag as i press it down with my finger. but it surely is not drop free, and it is snug inserting it into the mag well. i really need a Pmag. this one just isnt gonna do.

Ryno12
03-01-13, 13:18
What's your model number? Should be written somewhere on the brown box it came in or the label on the case. Mine is model #311308. It came with a PMag.

There are other model numbers that do NOT come with PMags but with a 10-round mag. I know #311308 comes with a PMag.

Correct. Just going off of memory, I think there are 6 different models. The "LE" models (ending w /08 & 14) come with Pmags. The 2 restricted (09,10), standard (11) & hunting (12)models do not.

Edit: There may be more models, I just haven't found them. Possibly one ending w/ 13??

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mrjinglesusa
03-01-13, 18:18
Just picked my M&P-10 up from my FFL today. Swapped out the stock handguard for Magpul MOE Midlength.

Scope is an SS 10x42 mounted to a Burris QD.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8528/8502406328_cb35ec824c.jpg

Now I just need to get to the range!

Change of plans (inspired by Brad's video). I'm going to use these Magpul Mid-Length handguards on my new Spike's 16" Mid-length upper.

Going to install the Apex Gator 15" free float rail and DD Low-Profile gas block on the M&P-10 instead. Will still use the same bipod on the Apex rail using Apex bipod mount.

Last thing I will need to get is the Magpul PRS stock. Waiting for the Magpul 308 PRS (Black) to be in stock somewhere.

:D

carbinero
03-01-13, 18:30
PRS on sale here: http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magpul-PRS-Precision-Rifle_Sniper-AR15_M16-Black/productinfo/CTRBS-M300/

gergregg
03-01-13, 18:52
PRS on sale here: http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magpul-PRS-Precision-Rifle_Sniper-AR15_M16-Black/productinfo/CTRBS-M300/

That is the ar15 version which could be modified to work but the adjustable cheek pad will cause issues with the charging handle on the 10.

evenodds20
03-01-13, 22:08
Here are the pics as promised. I just snapped a bunch, some may not be very helpful but i figured someone might want to see a certain angle for an odd reason so excuse the less composed ones. Let me know if there is anything in particular that i have not shot yet and ill see if i can do it for you. I just bought 5 7.62 Pmags so hopefully ill be out shooting sometime this week!
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1893_zpsa31ef2ef.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1894_zpsf18012ca.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1895_zps81dc2a3d.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1897_zps8a613ff2.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1898_zps2c52cfce.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1899_zps94f99f1e.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1900_zps7a4aa25c.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1901_zpsc8efccbf.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1903_zpsce537135.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1904_zpsfa632614.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1906_zps16f07459.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1907_zps79fc5263.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1909_zpsf1642842.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1911_zpsb98d6e3a.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1912_zps9b0b5e58.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1915_zps9a709110.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1918_zpsb488a50e.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1919_zpsd4455df0.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1920_zps555825a5.jpg

Ryno12
03-01-13, 22:15
Ha, Ha. Look at the tiny mag! :D
J.K., did you have to get that model or was it the only one available?

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evenodds20
03-01-13, 22:18
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1924_zps04367b0b.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1925_zpse4ddd0c6.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1926_zps211defc1.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1927_zps2724cce7.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1927_zps2724cce7.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1928_zpse385f318.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1930_zps2c222734.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1931_zpsf5f31e05.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/evenodds20/MBT_1932_zps591ca36d.jpg

Lawdog537
03-01-13, 23:02
Ok, I got my PRS stock, MOE handguard and BCM Gunfighter CH (mod4) tonight. Right now, my CH seems to work fine. It also appears to be a "new" model. I could only find an AR15/M4 PRS, so I need to get the conversion cheekpiece. Magpul is swamped, so I was wondering if anyone had been able to purchase the conversion cheekpiece anywhere else?...............................

evenodds20
03-01-13, 23:46
I wasnt aware that there was a conversion cheek piece. I thought the stocks were different sizes to accommodate the longer CH. ive seen some people cut it i think, but im not aware of the conversion kit. ill check it out though.

evenodds20
03-02-13, 03:07
Ha, Ha. Look at the tiny mag! :D
J.K., did you have to get that model or was it the only one available?

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sorry i didnt respond earlier, i was too busy crying my eyes out because of my tiny mag.:suicide: just kidding.:lol: I didnt notice your post in between my 2 picture posts.

That was the only one they had. I got the setup for $1399 so im not complaining too much, even though the mag was partially imploded when i opened up the case. i reassembled it and its ok. on the flip side i do have 5 pmags on order and hopefully will be here tomorrow. my wife says i can only keep 2-3 of them so if anyone needs any let me, know. prices will be pretty much the same everywhere, but they will be avail!:smile:

Ryno12
03-02-13, 07:25
Depending on the price, I'd take the other ones off your hands. PM me. Thanks!
on the flip side i do have 5 pmags on order and hopefully will be here tomorrow. my wife says i can only keep 2-3 of them so if anyone needs any let me, know. prices will be pretty much the same everywhere, but they will be avail!:smile:



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gergregg
03-02-13, 11:24
sorry i didnt respond earlier, i was too busy crying my eyes out because of my tiny mag.:suicide: just kidding.:lol: I didnt notice your post in between my 2 picture posts.

That was the only one they had. I got the setup for $1399 so im not complaining too much, even though the mag was partially imploded when i opened up the case. i reassembled it and its ok. on the flip side i do have 5 pmags on order and hopefully will be here tomorrow. my wife says i can only keep 2-3 of them so if anyone needs any let me, know. prices will be pretty much the same everywhere, but they will be avail!:smile:

Put me second on that list for the PMAGs. Thanks.

mrjinglesusa
03-02-13, 11:27
For those of you looking for PMags, if you are willing to spend ~$50/each, that "other" forum has a couple people selling them in the EE.

EDIT: Subforum "AR10". One guy has 4 for $200 shipped. Another, 5 for $260 shipped.

Ryno12
03-02-13, 11:36
For those of you looking for PMags, if you are willing to spend ~$50/each, that "other" forum has a couple people selling them in the EE.

EDIT: Subforum "AR10". One guy has 4 for $200 shipped. Another, 5 for $260 shipped.

Yeah, that's pricey. A little bummed... S&W should've at least provided two mags with it.

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evenodds20
03-02-13, 17:29
currently im working on her to let me keep the lot. ill let yall know if things dont work out.:smile:

Cincinnatus
03-02-13, 18:39
currently im working on her to let me keep the lot. ill let yall know if things dont work out.:smile:

Tell her she does not want to be on the same side as Obama on anything, and Obama wants you to lose your Pmags.:D:D:D:D

evenodds20
03-02-13, 20:51
Tell her she does not want to be on the same side as Obama on anything, and Obama wants you to lose your Pmags.:D:D:D:D

Yeah, Ill toss that into the debate. :lol:

Little Creek
03-02-13, 21:08
Ok so I just picked up my New M&P10. upon opening up the case i see that there is a ACS brand 10rd magazine that came with it. I curious as to what others have received in way of magazines. I know some of you got the 20rd Pmag but i just want to know if maybe this dealer stripped the Pmag out of mine and tossed in an off brand 10 rounder. Also, if anyone does have the 10 rd mag, does it drop free? mine fits pretty snug and i have to pull it out of the mag well after depressing the mag release button.

Mine came with a 20 round PMAG. A couple of days ago I picked up a 10 round metal magazine marked "A C S LLC, NEW BRITAIN CT" for $28. I have to seat it like I mean it. It does drop free. I have not shot it with this ACS magazine. A friend of mine picked up some PMAG 308 20 rounds magazines today for me at $30 each.

carbinero
03-03-13, 00:11
Great pics showing the barrel profile. I think it throws more into stark relief the strangely long FH. Anyone who wants a 16" version of this gun might be able to drop an inch or more by replacing that with a chopped .30 version of the TTO.

ETA link: http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=6

evenodds20
03-03-13, 02:00
im on the fence between a Troy 13.8" quad rail, and the apex 15" rail. on one hand, i want to cover up as much of that thin profiled barrel as possible. on the other hand, i like the quad rails. its just what im used to.

If i was able to cover the majority of the apex with rails, i would go for it in a heartbeat. but that would also get pretty expensive. whichever one i choose, im still gonna need the low profile gas block. does anyone know for sure what size gas block i should be looking for? i know there are 2-3 different thread sizes. just havent found much on the S&W.

Koshinn
03-03-13, 02:06
Can the barrel be swapped out? As in does the barrel follow armalite or dpms? I know the bcg is proprietary, but maybe the bolt face isn't?

evenodds20
03-03-13, 02:21
Can the barrel be swapped out? As in does the barrel follow armalite or dpms? I know the bcg is proprietary, but maybe the bolt face isn't?

there is another guy on here that made a video where he tried swapping barrels. the barrel was installed but the bolt wouldnt lock up. so negative on that as of now. im not sure but i am guessing the bolt would probably be similar to a dpms format. maybe it is possible to swap out not only the barrel but the BCG as well, or maybe just swap for a dpms bolt? i dont know. im not that high speed when it comes to these things. I know it gets pretty technical when you start messing with head spacing so i leave it to the ones who know more than I.

evenodds20
03-03-13, 02:22
look back a couple pages and you will find his video, unless you have already seen it.

mrjinglesusa
03-03-13, 12:27
im on the fence between a Troy 13.8" quad rail, and the apex 15" rail. on one hand, i want to cover up as much of that thin profiled barrel as possible. on the other hand, i like the quad rails. its just what im used to.

If i was able to cover the majority of the apex with rails, i would go for it in a heartbeat. but that would also get pretty expensive. whichever one i choose, im still gonna need the low profile gas block. does anyone know for sure what size gas block i should be looking for? i know there are 2-3 different thread sizes. just havent found much on the S&W.

Don't hold me to this, but by my rough measurement, you need a 0.750" gas block. I hope that's right because that's what I ordered from Daniel Defense. ;)

evenodds20
03-03-13, 13:29
I guess we need to get ROGOPGEAR back in here to pick his brain some more. That would probably be best since he has already changed out the gas block and the muzzle device. I would like to know the specs on both of those. thanks for the suggestion though. ill hold onto that until i find anything different.:cool:

Little Creek
03-03-13, 14:43
How much of a gain in accuracy would you expect going from the factory handguard to a MOE to a "Floating"? How much of a change of impact from the bench to tension on a sling hear the D ring with the three above types of handguards?

How long a string of fire before the GB begins to melt a Magpul BUFS?

mrjinglesusa
03-03-13, 14:50
How much of a gain in accuracy would you expect going from the factory handguard to a MOE to a "Floating"? How much of a change of impact from the bench to tension on a sling hear the D ring with the three above types of handguards?

How long a string of fire before the GB begins to melt a Magpul BUFS?

Probably none going from factory to MOE since they are both non-free-floated, but the MOE looks better and you can mount stuff to it. :p Going from non free-float to free-float? That's debatable how much increased accuracy you get, but most of my reading leads me to believe that free-float hand guards are better for long distance, precision shooting, which is what I am building this for.

Don't know about second question without testing it.

Magpul advises not to install their BUFS on gas blocks. You'll have to search around and see if someone has tested to see how long a string of fire before a Magpul BUFS melts. :confused:

evenodds20
03-03-13, 15:15
How much of a gain in accuracy would you expect going from the factory handguard to a MOE to a "Floating"? How much of a change of impact from the bench to tension on a sling hear the D ring with the three above types of handguards?

How long a string of fire before the GB begins to melt a Magpul BUFS?

I too am building a semi precision weapon. Free float is going to be my choice because it is proven to improve upon accuracy. Different rails, different rifles, different ammo, all interchangeable will all give you different results. however, If long range accuracy is not so much of an issue, go with a drop in troy or the MOE guard and mount a troy flip up sight on that railed gas block. Plastic melts. that is a fact. for that reason i would not even consider the details when looking at the magpul front sight as an option. to me it is simply not.

ROGOPGEAR
03-03-13, 17:03
Again, not much time, but you need a .750 GB. Theoretically you could switch to a DPMS BCG and it should work with the DPMS style barrel extensions/barrels, I just didn't want to fork out another $250 just to find that the DPMS BCG doesn't fit into the S&W upper with its wacky measurements. Also, you may be able to just try a DPMS bolt in the S&W BCG, but again, from what I read, their stuff in the upper is proprietary so it may be off by a few thousandths of an inch, or just enough to cause problems. The S&W bolt would not even fit into the DPMS barrel extension. The lugs looked more square or too large in size to fit, the lugs did all line up though just different measurements. Why S&W chose to do that I don't know.

beavis612
03-03-13, 18:52
I have a Troy TRX-308 13.8" rail and a VLTOR clamp on GB on order. I will let the group know how the install goes.

Rail:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3058156213/troy-industries-trx-extreme-battle-rail-modular-free-float-handguard-dpms-lr-308-with-low-profile-upper-receiver

Little Creek
03-04-13, 10:14
I have a Troy TRX-308 13.8" rail and a VLTOR clamp on GB on order. I will let the group know how the install goes.

Rail:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3058156213/troy-industries-trx-extreme-battle-rail-modular-free-float-handguard-dpms-lr-308-with-low-profile-upper-receiver

Does the M&P 10 barrel nut work with this rail or will a DPMS barrel not need to be procured?

beavis612
03-04-13, 11:11
Does the M&P 10 barrel nut work with this rail or will a DPMS barrel not need to be procured?

The rail comes with a replacement barrel nut.

evenodds20
03-04-13, 12:48
What if i get the Troy MRF 13.8 or the Apex 15"? will those work with the factory barrel nut? i too have never free floated a rail so im a little ignorant when it comes to that.

mrjinglesusa
03-04-13, 15:03
What if i get the Troy MRF 13.8 or the Apex 15"? will those work with the factory barrel nut? i too have never free floated a rail so im a little ignorant when it comes to that.

The Apex comes with a mounting adapter that clamps over the existing barrel nut and the hand guard attaches to that. Apex specifically says that their hand guards (certain ones, including 15" 308) are compatible with the M&P-10.

Don't know about the Troy...

evenodds20
03-04-13, 16:23
thanks for that. Im really split between the 2. I really like the quad rail but i want a 14-15" rail. is there anyone else that makes a 14-15" quad rail, instead of the tubular design?

azeriosu85
03-04-13, 23:41
not a fan of the pencil barrel on a .308 rifle. A precision/combat rifle nonetheless. Now a 5.56 BCM...sure, but this....i just don't know...:(

evenodds20
03-04-13, 23:46
the profile is only that thin between the gas block and the muzzle. not to mention the flash suppressor makes it look even smaller than it really is. the rest of the barrel is thick. they cut some material away to save weight. i dont really care for the thin profile, but i dont think its gonna hurt too much on accuracy, and i can hide most of it with a rail.

Koshinn
03-05-13, 00:12
the profile is only that thin between the gas block and the muzzle. not to mention the flash suppressor makes it look even smaller than it really is. the rest of the barrel is thick. they cut some material away to save weight. i dont really care for the thin profile, but i dont think its gonna hurt too much on accuracy, and i can hide most of it with a rail.

If I had known that, I would have bought one :(

carbinero
03-05-13, 00:15
You could chop it to 16" and the skinny part would be negligible.

Ryno12
03-05-13, 06:52
the profile is only that thin between the gas block and the muzzle. not to mention the flash suppressor makes it look even smaller than it really is. the rest of the barrel is thick. they cut some material away to save weight. i dont really care for the thin profile, but i dont think its gonna hurt too much on accuracy, and i can hide most of it with a rail.

I guess no one saw your pictures. You're right, the flash suppressor doesn't do the barrel justice & the barrel gets very thick behind the GB. Good luck with your upgrades & keep us posted. Mine is done for now. I only installed a new Magpul handguard, ACS stock, BCM CH, bipod & a 4-16 scope. Once I know more about some of the free floating handguard options, I'd like to get a 15" on it. Right now, I'm thin on time & cash for doing any T&E on it... so that's what you guys are for. ;)

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evenodds20
03-05-13, 08:54
I guess no one saw your pictures. You're right, the flash suppressor doesn't do the barrel justice & the barrel gets very thick behind the GB. Good luck with your upgrades & keep us posted. Mine is done for now. I only installed a new Magpul handguard, ACS stock, BCM CH, bipod & a 4-16 scope. Once I know more about some of the free floating handguard options, I'd like to get a 15" on it. Right now, I'm thin on time & cash for doing any T&E on it... so that's what you guys are for. ;)

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yeah, ill get right on Guinea pig duties:lol: My wife is getting a little thin about my purchases right now. especially since im trying to go FFL so with all those expenses, along with business license fees and all i gotta hold off a little while. maybe a week or so!!!:laugh:

mrjinglesusa
03-05-13, 08:57
Both my Apex 15" free-float hand guard and DD 0.750 low profile gas block are scheduled for delivery tomorrow (Wednesday). Hopefully I will be able to get them installed and get some pics of the process up then.

ryan
03-05-13, 08:58
Has anybody actually shot the gun?

Ryno12
03-05-13, 09:24
Has anybody actually shot the gun?


Yeah. I have, but not enough to really give any real info on reliability or accuracy.
I thought it shot well & it cycled properly.

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ryan
03-05-13, 09:31
Yeah. I have, but not enough to really give any info on reliability or accuracy.

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Given your limited trigger time, if I may ask a question of you.

How many rounds, and first impressions?

Ryno12
03-05-13, 09:48
Given your limited trigger time, if I may ask a question of you.

How many rounds, and first impressions?

Only about 50 rounds through it. I don't have much ammo to feed it yet & where I live has been getting pounded with snow & single digit temps. Anyway, I was happy with it. Felt smooth, low felt recoil. Cycled good with 0 malfunctions. I mounted a cheap scope to it that I had laying around. After about 5 rounds, at 50 yds, I had it somewhat dialed in. I've since purchased a new scope & once the weather starts to cooperate, I'll do a more official sight in.

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ryan
03-05-13, 09:59
Only about 50 rounds through it. I don't have much ammo to feed it yet & where I live has been getting pounded with snow & single digit temps. Anyway, I was happy with it. Felt smooth, low felt recoil. Cycled good with 0 malfunctions. I mounted a cheap scope to it that I had laying around. After about 5 rounds, at 50 yds, I had it somewhat dialed in. I've since purchased a new scope & once the weather starts to cooperate, I'll do a more official sight in.

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10 4, thanks man.

gergregg
03-05-13, 12:20
Well CH number 2 showed up and same fit. The raised section on the inside of the CH causes the BCM part to sit considerably higher. DD lite rail will be here tomorrow and it looks like i'll have to modify the DMPS vice block to fit in the smith upper. The joys of early adoption.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/smithCH.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60837905/BCMCH.jpg

Ryno12
03-05-13, 12:26
Thanks for the pics. If I have a chance when I get home today, I'll compare that with mine.

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carbinero
03-05-13, 12:27
Thanks much for the pics.

evenodds20
03-05-13, 12:41
now we are starting to get somewhere

Ryno12
03-05-13, 16:58
Here's the skinny. I didn't post any pics 'cause well... they'd look just like yours. I took my caliper and compared my 7.62 BCM CH with a BCM 5.56 CH and, with exception to the length, they're identical. I also compared it to an OEM Colt 6920 CH and same deal. The only difference I saw between the M&P10 OEM CH and the 7.62 BCM CH (or others for the matter) was at the nose (gas key) of the CH. The OEM S&W CH measured 0.573" and everything else measured 0.588". The "depth" at the nose was also roughly 0.238"(S&W) versus 0.224"(BCM). Those differences virtually cancel each other out. Also, wondering if the issues could lie in either the upper receiver or the height of the gas key. Maybe there are slight differences in the machining?? Just for shits 'n giggles, my SN# is 009XX.

While I was at it, I swapped latches with another 5.56 BCM CH I had. I'm diggin' the Mod 3 on the 308 much better than the Mod 4.


Disclaimer: My measurements were taken with a cheap POS caliper so don't hold me to 'em.

carbinero
03-05-13, 17:04
sorry if I missed it, but can you put those calipers on the barrel diameter in each location?

Ryno12
03-05-13, 17:16
Sorry, I put everything back together & away. My wife put me to work. :rolleyes:

If I get a chance later, I will. Might not be tonight anymore though. Where exactly do you want the barrel measured?

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gergregg
03-05-13, 17:20
Here's the skinny. I didn't post any pics 'cause well... they'd look just like yours. I took my caliper and compared my 7.62 BCM CH with a BCM 5.56 CH and, with exception to the length, they're identical. I also compared it to an OEM Colt 6920 CH and same deal. The only difference I saw between the M&P10 OEM CH and the 7.62 BCM CH (or others for the matter) was at the nose (gas key) of the CH. The OEM S&W CH measured 0.573" and everything else measured 0.588". The "depth" at the nose was also roughly 0.238"(S&W) versus 0.224"(BCM). Those differences virtually cancel each other out. Also, wondering if the issues could lie in either the upper receiver or the height of the gas key. Maybe there are slight differences in the machining?? Just for shits 'n giggles, my SN# is 009XX.

While I was at it, I swapped latches with another 5.56 BCM CH I had. I'm diggin' the Mod 3 on the 308 much better than the Mod 4.


Disclaimer: My measurements were taken with a cheap POS caliper so don't hold me to 'em.

Thanks for the time and research. I was wondering the same thing if the difference wasn't somewhere in the upper or gas key. Also I'm in the 1700's serial number wise .

carbinero
03-05-13, 17:23
Two measurements would be great, seen in the pic below, (1) the narrowest area between the taper from the chamber and the taper to the gas block, and (2) the thin section between the GB and muzzle. Thanks!

http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1566847&postcount=171

Ryno12
03-05-13, 18:01
Two measurements would be great, seen in the pic below, (1) the narrowest area between the taper from the chamber and the taper to the gas block, and (2) the thin section between the GB and muzzle. Thanks!

http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1566847&postcount=171

1=0.735"
2=0.600"
1.18" @ the delta ring.
0.830" midway DR to GB


Disclaimer: same as before.

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carbinero
03-05-13, 18:16
Many thanks. Now I appreciate the concern many have voiced: 0.6" seems pretty thin for .308 considering 0.625 on a "lightweight" .223 BCM leaves 0.402 steel diameter, or 0.2 steel radius outside the bore. S&W M&P10 leaves .6-.3/2=...only 0.150 steel radius for those inches beyond the GB. Is that correct?

Of course the BCM is lightweight from chamber taper to muzzle (minus any extra a the GB). A glance at a typical #2 contour makes me think the M&P10 should have plenty of steel for an 18" barrel.

jstone
03-05-13, 23:46
currently im working on her to let me keep the lot. ill let yall know if things dont work out.:smile:

You sir have the patience of, i do not even know who to compare it to. If my wife pulled something like that i would give her walking papers, or i would tell her if i have to get rid of my magazines you are going to get rid of two purse's or shoes.

You are a saint and must have a great wife.

evenodds20
03-06-13, 10:14
You sir have the patience of, i do not even know who to compare it to. If my wife pulled something like that i would give her walking papers, or i would tell her if i have to get rid of my magazines you are going to get rid of two purse's or shoes.

You are a saint and must have a great wife.

yeah, my wife is pretty good to me. Ill respect her wishes within reason.:lol: now that we are on that subject though, Ive got 2 7.62 Pmags for sale for $115 shipped. thats right about what they are going for everywhere else. Im not making any money on them, just back what ive got into them. I had to buy the whole lot of 5 since the seller wouldnt split up. im keeping 3.

Ryno12
03-06-13, 10:20
now that we are on that subject though, Ive got 2 7.62 Pmags for sale for $115 shipped.

I'll defer to the next in line. Thanks anyway.


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evenodds20
03-06-13, 11:04
not a problem.

wilson1911
03-06-13, 12:35
If any of you guys want one, my local gun dealer started receiving them right after shot show, just pm me and I will give you his number to be put on the list. He also sells lot of NF, if you need glass.

mrjinglesusa
03-06-13, 13:59
Ugh. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

My day today:

1) Completing a Spike's stripped lower. Everything is going great until I go to install the trigger pin. It's from a KNS Mod 2 Gen 2. Find out they only threaded one end of the damn pin. :suicide2: That project is on hold.

2) Got my DD low profile gas block. Took off FH, removed old gas block/sight, removed gas tube from old gas block, installed gas tube in DD gas block, installed DD gas block and gas tube on rifle. Everything went smooth as butter. Oh wait, I need to remove the delta ring in order to install my Apex rail. LOL Too bad I don't have the tools to remove the barrel in order to remove the delta ring. That project is now on hold too.

:lol:

My day of gun smithing hasn't gone too smoothly. Need to order a new KNS Gen 2 Mod 2 parts kit, AR-10 barrel wrench, torque wrench, delta ring removal tool, and AR-10 upper vice block in order to finish these two projects.

Little Creek
03-06-13, 19:29
yeah, my wife is pretty good to me. Ill respect her wishes within reason.:lol: now that we are on that subject though, Ive got 2 7.62 Pmags for sale for $115 shipped. thats right about what they are going for everywhere else. Im not making any money on them, just back what ive got into them. I had to buy the whole lot of 5 since the seller wouldnt split up. im keeping 3.

Bought 3 PMAG 20 308 LR at a gun show in Macon, GA over the weekend from a delaer who sells mostly Magpul stuff at these gun shows. They were $30 each.

evenodds20
03-06-13, 22:16
Bought 3 PMAG 20 308 LR at a gun show in Macon, GA over the weekend from a delaer who sells mostly Magpul stuff at these gun shows. They were $30 each.

damn, you stole them from him. great buy. i didnt figure anyone here would by them, but the yahoos on the "other" forum might or gunbroker. or the best part, i get to keep them!!!!! "Yes hun i tried to sell them but no one would buy them from me":lol:

Ryno12
03-07-13, 06:59
damn, you stole them from him. great buy.

...or he paid $10 over retail. :)

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Little Creek
03-07-13, 10:30
...or he paid $10 over retail. :)

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Does anyone know if the Magpul MOE handguard actually fits the M&P 10? I have read that the heat shield has to be bent in order to get it to fit. I have also read that some are not happy with the fit.

mrjinglesusa
03-07-13, 10:50
Does anyone know if the Magpul MOE handguard actually fits the M&P 10? I have read that the heat shield has to be bent in order to get it to fit. I have also read that some are not happy with the fit.

It's tight and takes some "elbow grease" to get it on but it fits.

I decided, however, to use this mid-length MOE on my new Spike's build and am going to put an Apex 15" free-float on instead.

Ryno12
03-07-13, 11:44
Does anyone know if the Magpul MOE handguard actually fits the M&P 10? I have read that the heat shield has to be bent in order to get it to fit. I have also read that some are not happy with the fit.

Mine fits good. I didn't have much trouble getting mine on. The heat shield was slightly snug while slipping it over the barrel but I didn't think anything of it.

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gergregg
03-07-13, 12:12
I'm also going to have to decline on the pmags. Going to wait it out and see if I can score some for msrp.

DD lite rail showed up yesterday with no barrel nut or wrench so back to the great waiting game. The BCM mod1 grip did fit well though.

evenodds20
03-07-13, 15:45
not a problem. i know they are high, and i didnt think anyone in this thread would be interested, however i figured i would write it anyway since i mentioned it a few days ago. im not trying to insult anyone. just putting them up for what i have into them. i wouldnt have bought them at that price either, but my mag that came with the rifle was a little busted when i got it and i didnt really trust it anymore. im thinking of keeping them.

Little Creek
03-07-13, 20:15
I'm also going to have to decline on the pmags. Going to wait it out and see if I can score some for msrp.

DD lite rail showed up yesterday with no barrel nut or wrench so back to the great waiting game. The BCM mod1 grip did fit well though.

Please keep us posted. Did you get the short or the long DD Lite Rail? I am thinking one could keep the original gas block if he went with the shorter DD Lite Rail.

I like DD, but the troy is cheaper. I am going to try the Magpul MOE first and maybe a floating rail later on.

gergregg
03-07-13, 21:27
Please keep us posted. Did you get the short or the long DD Lite Rail? I am thinking one could keep the original gas block if he went with the shorter DD Lite Rail.

I like DD, but the troy is cheaper. I am going to try the Magpul MOE first and maybe a floating rail later on.

The 12.0 lite rail which measures almost 13 inches. I bet the mid length would probably allow you to retain the factory gas block. I like more rail though and I already had a dd low pro gas block as a bought a couple when doing my ar15 build.

Little Creek
03-08-13, 08:08
The 12.0 lite rail which measures almost 13 inches. I bet the mid length would probably allow you to retain the factory gas block. I like more rail though and I already had a dd low pro gas block as a bought a couple when doing my ar15 build.

Does the M&P 10 take a .750 gas block?

Ryno12
03-08-13, 08:28
Does the M&P 10 take a .750 gas block?

Yes

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MistWolf
03-08-13, 11:04
I should not have looked at the M&P10 at the local gunshop.

Now I want one

carbinero
03-08-13, 11:20
I don't see how any mil or police could say no to $1300. At $1800 I can wait.

Ryno12
03-08-13, 12:04
I don't see how any mil or police could say no to $1300. At $1800 I can wait.

They can be had for less than $1800. I paid $1600 for mine & I heard of people (non LEO) getting them for cheaper than that.

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Little Creek
03-08-13, 13:01
The 12.0 lite rail which measures almost 13 inches. I bet the mid length would probably allow you to retain the factory gas block. I like more rail though and I already had a dd low pro gas block as a bought a couple when doing my ar15 build.

I ordered a DD 7.62 (AR10) Lite Rail 12.0 Assembly, 7.62 (AR10) Lite Rail Barrel Nut (DPMS) and a Low Profile Gas Block for .750 Dia Barrel, today. Does the Lite Rail come with the wrench or do you have to order it separately? What kind of wrench do I need to get the old D-ring and Barrel nut off. It will be 4/22/13 before my order will be delivered. I just want to have everything together before the order arrives.

gergregg
03-08-13, 14:57
They can be had for less than $1800. I paid $1600 for mine & I heard of people (non LEO) getting them for cheaper than that.

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I got mine for a bit over $1000. $1100 after tax. :D

gergregg
03-08-13, 15:03
I ordered a DD 7.62 (AR10) Lite Rail 12.0 Assembly, 7.62 (AR10) Lite Rail Barrel Nut (DPMS) and a Low Profile Gas Block for .750 Dia Barrel, today. Does the Lite Rail come with the wrench or do you have to order it separately? What kind of wrench do I need to get the old D-ring and Barrel nut off. It will be 4/22/13 before my order will be delivered. I just want to have everything together before the order arrives.

There are different versions of the lite rail. Those different versions are denoted by the part number. 3003-A is armalite, 3003-D is DPMS and 3003-R is Rockriver. Those models should come with the proper barrel nut and wrench. The 12.0 Lite rail I purchased for my AR15 included both. The one I just received for my AR10 had neither. Company said they were going to get it taken care of. I however am impatient and ordered the wrench and nut from midway and it just showed up. Going to do the install after lunch.

As for getting the old off my DPMS AR tool appears to work.

Ryno12
03-08-13, 15:03
I got mine for a bit over $1000. :D

Now why do you have to go and rub it in? :)

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gergregg
03-08-13, 15:05
Now why do you have to go and rub it in? :)

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It's why I don't feel so bad having charging handles I can't use. :)

Ryno12
03-08-13, 15:35
It's why I don't feel so bad having charging handles I can't use. :)

Yeah, that definitely eases the pain. That's a great buy.

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gunnut284
03-08-13, 16:23
Mine was under $1000

I'm going to add the Troy rail as soon as I make sure it functions properly. I only have about 30 rds through it but all good so far. My PMags showed up today.