View Full Version : Steyr Arms & an AUG Update.........
I posted this on TOS but figured some here might be interested.
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Just got off the phone with Steyr Arms as a result of mixed or incomplete info here. (What a novel idea, info from the source!) Anyway, I spoke to a guy named Jack....feel free to ring Steyr Arms yourself and ask for this fella if you care to verify this info.
My question to Steyr Arms & Jack: What's the deal with a domestic AUG being produced by Steyr. Lots of rumor, little substance. Is it going to happen and if so, when?
Jack: We have received word from our European HQ that the plan is to have AUG's produced and available in the States by July of 08. An announcement should be made via the web within the next 30-40 days.
Me: That's great news. I'd imagine with a release date of July of 08, you guys must have tooled up by now to meet that production date.
Jack: Actually the machinery is currently in England and will be shipped and set up State-side very soon.
Me: If the machinery isn't in the States now and you're planning a release date of July 08, isn't that date a little overly ambitious?
Jack: No, we don't think so. We are ready to go and feel HQ has all the commitment to do just that.
Me: So what sort of configuration is planned? I hope you don't go down the same road as SIG and HK. Their creativity with existing designs has not been received all that well. HK more so than SIG, but both have had complaints. Which AUG will we see?
Jack: Do you have access to the internet right now?
Me: I do.
Jack: Go to our web page and look at the AUGA3....that's what we will be offering.
Me: Fantastic...that should be a huge hit here.
Jack: Select fire versions will be offered to LEO agencies, but the A3 in semi-auto is what we will offer for civilian sales.
Me: Thank you for the info Jack, really appreciate your time...very much looking forward to that announcement in a month or so.
Jack: Yeah, we're very excited about it here as well...thanks for the call and interest.
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Well, that's the word from Steyr. Domestic AUG's, available this summer (though likely later.) The AUGA3, from Steyr, coming to a town near you....and ain't it pretty?
http://www.steyrarms.com/typo3temp/pics/6a181e8e09.jpg
RAM Engineer
04-01-08, 16:02
Is this an April Fool's Joke?
Failure2Stop
04-01-08, 16:09
:)
I have no good reason to want one, but I do.
Is this an April Fool's Joke?
It is 100% factual. I called today and spoke with Steyr Arms myself. Feel free to do the same.
With the AUG, the Masada and the SCAR im going to be broke and divorced;)
Any idea on price, I am looking to buy a steyr aug but all I am seeing on gunbroker is expensive beat up used ones a way overpriced "new" ones.
Misc Ex-Member
04-01-08, 21:38
That's kind of cool - looks almost like a Tavor...
5POINT56,
Not disbelieving, I've just got my hopes up one too many times in the past and nothing to come of it....so I emailed them for confirmation. Well see if they even respond to this lowly civie. Also asked that it its true, what was the release date and price. I'll update you if I get a response.
Soulrack223
04-02-08, 00:27
With the AUG, the Masada and the SCAR im going to be broke and divorced;)
Yeah, at least I'll run her off before we get married. :p
AUGA3 ... heavy, illbalanced, cumbersome. :rolleyes:
AUGA3 ... heavy, illbalanced, cumbersome. :rolleyes:
Interesting. Where'd you get to shoot it?
I live in Austria and Steyr has been showing this thing around for some years. You don't have to shoot it to realize that this thing is illbalanced - especially compared to the great balance of
the 16" version. Don't get me wrong, I think the AUG design is one of the best 5.56 carbines to be issued. But the A3 is a faulty try just to fit as much rail space on the thing as possible. Our
special forces, the Jagdkommando, declined further use after trials due to the weight and designed their own AUG version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/stg77A2c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/steyr2.jpg
At least in my case, I don't know if beggars can be choosers. Ill balanced or not, I would gladly take the A3 over nothing at all. I've been waiting a long long time to make up for a stupid decision I made in selling my A1 and frankly, if price is not out of the question, I will take what I can get.
Wish they would have made the version with the stock that takes AR magazines.
N.Franklin
04-05-08, 18:20
Wish they would have made the version with the stock that takes AR magazines.
Ditto, currently the only rifles I have that dont take AR mags are AKs, Id hate to have to stock up on another mag for just one rifle. Will the AR mag conversions work on these new guns as well?
variablebinary
04-06-08, 01:25
I hope steyr comes through. It's the only AUG type rifle I would ever consider. I will pass on the recent clone revolution.
If it took STANAG mags I would be annoyed. I cant stand this whole movement to mangle established firearms with AR15 shit.
Army Chief
04-06-08, 03:14
I too am greatly interested in this. I was a college student and a young infantryman back when the AUG first hit our shores, and the price of admission was simply too much to bear when Colt carbines could be had for $600.
If they can bring these to market in time, I'll definitely ante up for one ... or two, or ... ;)
Chief
I've always lusted after the AUG. I've been torn between the AXR/MASR, but I think I'll wait a bit to see what comes out of this.
Maybe I missed this in the thread somehow but if I did not, a buddy of mine is ordering an AUG that is being made (or atleast sold) by Microtech. The same company that makes the knives. He even sent me the link www.msarinc.com/home.html What do any of you guys know about this?
My friend has one of the MSAR AUGs. It's very nice. Fit and finish is great. My only complaint is the use of their own mags.
I've always lusted after the AUG. I've been torn between the AXR/MASR, but I think I'll wait a bit to see what comes out of this.
Ah ha I did miss mention of it. ah well
After I found out about the .50 caliber rifles that Steyr sold to Iran that ended up in Iraq I swore that Steyr would never see another dime of my money. I've had a Steyr USR and a SPP and I sold them both after learning the aforementioned fact. Steyr could release the AUG for $1 and it would still be $1 too much. I love the design and think I'll have to give MSAR a try.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml
After I found out about the .50 caliber rifles that Steyr sold to Iran that ended up in Iraq I swore that Steyr would never see another dime of my money. I've had a Steyr USR and a SPP and I sold them both after learning the aforementioned fact. Steyr could release the AUG for $1 and it would still be $1 too much. I love the design and think I'll have to give MSAR a try.
Steyr didn't make those. They were copies. The patents expired on those rifles a while ago. That's why they can do business here in the US again.
After I found out about the .50 caliber rifles that Steyr sold to Iran that ended up in Iraq I swore that Steyr would never see another dime of my money. I've had a Steyr USR and a SPP and I sold them both after learning the aforementioned fact. Steyr could release the AUG for $1 and it would still be $1 too much. I love the design and think I'll have to give MSAR a try.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml
Wow I missed that one.
From Wiki:
In February 2007, The Daily Telegraph reported that American sources claimed to have recovered more than 100 of the rifles from insurgents in Iraq. The first American soldier killed with one occurred within 45 days of the shipment.[2] However, according to Steyr CEO Franz Holzschuh, nobody has contacted the manufacturer to compare serial numbers and verify if the weapons found in Iraq really were part of the Iranian shipment.[3] According to Steyr, patents for the HS .50 ran out years ago, and fraudulent copies are produced in several countries of the world.[4] The Daily Telegraph admitted on April 2007 that it was not able to verify the story.
If we knew they were from Steyr they wouldn't be doing business in the US. Look at Norinco. They got busted selling to Iran and now you can't get a Norinco SKS.
After I found out about the .50 caliber rifles that Steyr sold to Iran that ended up in Iraq I swore that Steyr would never see another dime of my money. I've had a Steyr USR and a SPP and I sold them both after learning the aforementioned fact. Steyr could release the AUG for $1 and it would still be $1 too much. I love the design and think I'll have to give MSAR a try.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml
Steyr Arms seems to feel differently.
http://www.steyrarms.com/index.php?id=203
If it took STANAG mags I would be annoyed. I cant stand this whole movement to mangle established firearms with AR15 shit.
Agree
Hopefully they will start making them here as rumors suggest. Though the TPD guns are top notch (much of the gun is made from original steyr or oem parts).
AR type mags ARE STANAG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4179
I got the word that Sabre was going to make the STEYR Aug here.
Dr. Quickdraw Mcgraw
06-18-08, 15:12
AR type mags ARE STANAG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4179
Yes, and???
Thought I would post an update....
It appears to be official. We are going to get an AUG.
http://www.steyrarms.com/
variablebinary
08-07-08, 14:13
Thought I would post an update....
It appears to be official. We are going to get an AUG.
http://www.steyrarms.com/
http://www.steyrarms.com/typo3temp/pics/7a6de78991.gif
Powder_Burn
08-07-08, 14:29
Interesting. Anyone have first hand experience with the AUG?
Interesting. Anyone have first hand experience with the AUG?
Cato has
I wanted one in the worst kind of way when I was growing up in the 80's.
I finally got to shoot one and was underwhelmed. The triggers absolutely suck.
There's a trigger pack upgrade available, but it's just the nature of the beast with a bull pup.
I will still buy one if it has Steyr on the side.......but it wouldn't replace my 6920 as a go to rifle.
Gutshot John
08-07-08, 18:15
I finally got to shoot one and was underwhelmed. The triggers absolutely suck.
There's a trigger pack upgrade available, but it's just the nature of the beast with a bull pup.
Have you shot the FS2000? Does it suffer from the same thing?
I shot a FAMAS a few years ago. I don't recall much about the trigger but it didn't seem significantly different from an M-16.
I have a Steyr AUG A1 and love it. The trigger does suck but the rifle is just neat the way everything is set up and I like the quality. Will I be getting rid of my 6920? No way.
Misc Ex-Member
08-07-08, 19:53
I wanted one in the worst kind of way when I was growing up in the 80's.
I finally got to shoot one and was underwhelmed. The triggers absolutely suck.
There's a trigger pack upgrade available, but it's just the nature of the beast with a bull pup.
I will still buy one if it has Steyr on the side.......but it wouldn't replace my 6920 as a go to rifle.
If the trigger does not suck I will consider one because they are certainly handy to maneuver. If the trigger does suck I will save my money.
AwaySooner
08-07-08, 19:54
Saw someone shooting one of this at the range today. Said he just got it yesterday. Couldn't really tell much cause the father and son team shoot that riffle at 10 yard range worse than I shoot my pistol.:p It sure looks interesting though.
one of my friends has a posty LMG aug, i was shooting it in semi and fell in love with it. trying to get it into full proved a challenge. i had to pull the trigger as fast and as hard as i could and even then it only went happy about half the time. we switched it over to burst mode and it was a little bit easier. but on the other hand we had another 20' posty that the trigger was great on it. i want one of the 24 inch lmg versions now though i just gotta get some cash first.
I finally got to shoot one and was underwhelmed. The triggers absolutely suck.
The semiauto triggers are stiff. But for $60 shipped, you can buy something called a triggertamer ( http://www.triggertamer.com ) which makes it very reasonable. Fairly easy to install, although the directions that come with it are not that intuitive. http://www.triggertamer.com/wst_page2.html
I probably have something like 5000ish rounds fired through an AUG with a triggertamer.
http://www.steyrarms.com/typo3temp/pics/7a6de78991.gif
Wow, seems that you are getting the updated version (bolt catch, muzzle break, internals) that our Jagdkommando co-designed with Steyr.
This version is much better balanced than the muzzle-heavy A3 design and may even be as modular.
I had a German M4 (OA15) clone and went gladly to the Steyr AUG-Z (civilian version) because (aside from troubles specifically associated with this manufacturer):
*less felt recoil = high shot to shot speed while still being fairly precise
*great pointability & ability to use it one handed (in wounded shooter drills, CQB, etc.)
*KISS principle - the same lever for racking the bolt, malfunction drills, reloading
*surer & faster safety design (IMHO)
*reliability while being neglected without need for relubing (just from what I observed: several AUG-Zs went through 2000rds. in a carbine class without being cleaned, while several Ar15s went down hard- due to loose gas keys- or chocked despite being relubed & cleaned by their owners; AUG-Z owners owners here shoot hot Hirtenberger surplus ammo without any troubles- which points to a real 5.56 chamber used in Steyr barrels as 5.56 Wylde chambers used in Ar15 clones chocke badly on this. )
*no gas in the face as my M4gery liked to throw (especially bad if you shoot with optical glasses)
*16" barrel ballistics while being only a bit longer than a Hk MP5
*higher QC due to only one manufacturer who invented it (Steyr)- no Lego guns possible. Paul Gomez mentioned here (http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9530&highlight=steyr) that the US-made Steyr clones had issues.
*less parts, almost no screws, etc.
*better magazines (on par with PMags)- never had one crack
Cons:
The big disadvantage- right side ejection- can be handled: one can put the stock in the centre of the body while shooting around left corners.
Magazine changes won't be as fast as with the Ar15, but as long as you don't want to be a top IPSC shooter or fight enemy hordes, fast enough- for civilian defense that is.
The trigger will never be as good as a Gisele, but didn't people complain about Glock triggers too? I just wish the reset was more positive. Be aware that the trigger
tamer makes the reset even more mushy. Good for precise, single shots, but not good for faster shooting.
Size comparison of my two carbines (sold the M4gery):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/Upload3.jpg
three AUG-Z in various configurations (mine is the one with the Aimpoint T-1)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/AUG-Zs.jpg
As far as use in combat, Austria has had its high time a long time ago, but our army co-developed the Glock as well as the AUG and uses them since 1977 (1980). I blame failed marketing and US laws for the special status the AUG has in US military & police circles. Steyr could never compete with Colt as far as price or mass production abilities- and sucked big time at following through with customer support. Our special forces shoot them A LOT and (because the original design lacked rails) developed their own version instead of going to the Colt M4:
http://www.msarinc.com/jagdkommando/stg77A2c.jpg
Paul Gomez mentioned that Bill Jeans and Giles Stock were fans of the design. Peter Kokalis summed it up quite nicely:
http://www.remtek.com/arms/steyr/aug/edit/augsof.htm
I am sure that for an American quality Ar15 carbines like the ones made by Colt, LMT or Noveske were the logical choice due to spare parts availability & incountry manufacturers. But with Steyr again trying to get a foot into the US market, I find the AUG a strong competitor. With at least the same reliability, better precision and ergonomics in a far more compact package, maybe it will take its share of the Ak47 market?
Cato,
Gruesse aus Irak. Danke fuer den Auskunft.
Holy crap! That Kokalis article was so... articulate and detailed that you could build almost build an AUG out of matchsticks after reading it.
Holy crap! That Kokalis article was so... articulate and detailed that you could build almost build an AUG out of matchsticks after reading it. I remember reading that article in the mid 80's in SOF while staitioned in Munich Germany.
Holy crap! That Kokalis article was so... articulate and detailed that you could build almost build an AUG out of matchsticks after reading it.
Before he became a whore for Century Arms/Shotgun News......Kokalis was THE military small arms writer, and did some fantastic articles.
Those were the days before he was handed some Century Arms POS and told to sell it to you.
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