The best CQB Light/AR setup??

[C4IGrant]

For those that know me, I am flashlight geek. I love the stupid things. I am also a HUGE fan of attending night fighting classes. The main reason is that 70% of all crime happens at night. So learning to how best fight in the dark is a REALLY good idea.

Because of the above two things, I am always in search of the best light/weapon setup. I have tried everything from the SF Millennium setups to a simple G2 Nitrolon. When the X300 came out, I was pretty certain that this was going to be the best choice in tactical lights (for both pistols and AR's). It provides you with 110 Lumens, is shock proof, light weight and has a small footprint.

The position of ones lights on their weapons has always been up to debate. Some like the 6 O'Clock position, while other like the 9 position. Still others favor the 4 O'Clock position. I have used all of these positions and while they all work pretty well, none of them are perfect.
One day (about one year ago), I thought that it might be a good idea to mount the light at the 12 position. It seemed like it was a superior position to all others for many reason. Here is the short list:

1. Great for shooting around corners (right or left).
2. Great for shooting over cover.
3. Less likely to get snagged on anything.

The only issue I had with this setup was the activation system. I felt (and still feel) that the little switch is hard to reach (comfortably) when it is mounted at the 12 position.

The SF XT07 fixed all of my issues. The new switch (SR07) that was added to the XT interface made everything easier. The XT07 replaces the existing back plate on the X300 and then slides onto your rail system. It provides you with both momentary and constant on capabilities.

So here you go boys and girls, the best night fighting light setup on the market (at least in my opinion). :D



http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SF/X300_XT.jpg

http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SF/X300_XT1.jpg

[Buckaroo]

Sounds like a great switch.

Do I see that the momentary and constant on have separate pads?

[C4IGrant]

Sounds like a great switch.

Do I see that the momentary and constant on have separate pads?

Correct (each switch is seperate).


C4

[lindertw]

nice setup Grant, I got to see gotm4's similar setup in the shop today...

I've been kicking around the idea of modifying one of these (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24360/sesent/00) tailcaps to have this (http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-tailcaps-switches-stxx.html) pressure switch and wire. I'd have to order one with extra length wire and then modify it (solder?) to work the the replacement tailcap. My photoshop-fu is weak tonight, but the pic below shows what I'm thinking:

http://tinyurl.com/3laplk

I'm looking to mount the X300 as close to the front of my FSB as possible in the 12 o'clock position. This modified tailcap assy would allow me to run the soft wired pressure switch wherever I want (without the bulk).

Is something like this doable?

[nickdrak]

Yes I do believe that my M900 will be taking a break from its duties once my replacement XT switch comes back from Surefire, and I pick up another X300.

[The_Katar]

I'll stick with the tail rocker.

[gotm4]

I like mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM023.jpg
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[Leonidas]

For those of us who have fixed front sights and no extra rail real estate past the front sight, do you have any solutions for mounting a x300 in the 12:00 position? :confused:

[Federale]

So those must be the new version of those switches.

I like the idea of the 12 o'clock mounting position, but frankly, I think I'll wait and see if these switches hold up before declaring this a winning set-up. I had two of the first versions of the SR07 and neither of them survived a single trip in the range bag before the switches broke in the exact same places.

Since I had to wait a year (and counting) for Surefire to actually replace mine, I think I'll hesitate on jumping on the bandwagon on these for a while. Is the tab that holds the switch shut still plastic?

I wonder when my replacements will show up?:mad:

[The_Katar]

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=9527&highlight=12%3A00

[blake6551]

Grant, how much are the new XT07s and when will they be available?

[nickdrak]

So those must be the new version of those switches.

I wonder when my replacements will show up?:mad:

I called SF customer service earlier today to see what the status of my XT switch was. I was told that my replacement should go out next week.
I just sent mine out to them two weeks ago. Maybe try giving them a call on Monday to refresh their memory, as I doubt
you will get any real satisfaction from asking in this thread.

[Jerm]

im assuming theres nothing about the design of the new back panel which requires you to mess with the mounting hardware on the X300(6 screws on the bottom)?

i wouldnt think so but i want to be sure...i stripped one of the screws during install and my fix was somewhat permanent.

[thmpr]

For the piston ARs, the gas will be dispersed on the flashlight with that setup (12 o'clock).

[Federale]

I called SF customer service earlier today to see what the status of my XT switch was. I was told that my replacement should go out next week.
I just sent mine out to them two weeks ago. Maybe try giving them a call on Monday to refresh their memory, as I doubt
you will get any real satisfaction from asking in this thread.

I've been told "end of the month" every time I've contacted them, which has been periodically over the course of the past 12 months.

I'm not looking for satisfaction from Surefire in this thread, I'm just relaying the information that this particular switch had (and may have) some serious durability issues and that its taken Surefire a long time to figure them out.

[sonrider657]

The problem with that setup (as with all pressure switches) is that you have a loose wire on your gun. It is vulnerable and easy to snag. Too bad they don't make a bluetooth version.

[C4IGrant]

nice setup Grant, I got to see gotm4's similar setup in the shop today...

I've been kicking around the idea of modifying one of these (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24360/sesent/00) tailcaps to have this (http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-tailcaps-switches-stxx.html) pressure switch and wire. I'd have to order one with extra length wire and then modify it (solder?) to work the the replacement tailcap. My photoshop-fu is weak tonight, but the pic below shows what I'm thinking:

http://tinyurl.com/3laplk

I'm looking to mount the X300 as close to the front of my FSB as possible in the 12 o'clock position. This modified tailcap assy would allow me to run the soft wired pressure switch wherever I want (without the bulk).

Is something like this doable?

I can sell you the XT with a regual tape switch from SF if you want.


C4

[C4IGrant]

So those must be the new version of those switches.

I like the idea of the 12 o'clock mounting position, but frankly, I think I'll wait and see if these switches hold up before declaring this a winning set-up. I had two of the first versions of the SR07 and neither of them survived a single trip in the range bag before the switches broke in the exact same places.

Since I had to wait a year (and counting) for Surefire to actually replace mine, I think I'll hesitate on jumping on the bandwagon on these for a while. Is the tab that holds the switch shut still plastic?

I wonder when my replacements will show up?:mad:

This is the new setup. The switches I have run in the past (old version) held up for me.


C4

[C4IGrant]

Grant, how much are the new XT07s and when will they be available?

Available now and on our website.


C4

[C4IGrant]

im assuming theres nothing about the design of the new back panel which requires you to mess with the mounting hardware on the X300(6 screws on the bottom)?

i wouldnt think so but i want to be sure...i stripped one of the screws during install and my fix was somewhat permanent.

You do not mess with the rail adaptor (other than install the Picatinny plate in).


C4

[C4IGrant]

The problem with that setup (as with all pressure switches) is that you have a loose wire on your gun. It is vulnerable and easy to snag. Too bad they don't make a bluetooth version.

This is why you tie down the wires. Worse case is that you lose the wire and just fall back to turning the light on and off with the normal tailcap.


C4

[Jerm]

You do not mess with the rail adaptor (other than install the Picatinny plate in).

ok,i already have it mounted with the "P" latch installed...so i should be GTG then yes?

thanks.

[C4IGrant]

ok,i already have it mounted with the "P" latch installed...so i should be GTG then yes?

thanks.


Yes, you are GTG.


C4

[xtremejc]

Yes, you are GTG.


C4

Grant:

How much $$$ for a combo of the XT07 switch and X300 light?

Thanks,
JC

[C4IGrant]

Grant:

How much $$$ for a combo of the XT07 switch and X300 light?

Thanks,
JC


Check your PM for package deal pricing.


C4

[Federale]

So those must be the new version of those switches.

I like the idea of the 12 o'clock mounting position, but frankly, I think I'll wait and see if these switches hold up before declaring this a winning set-up. I had two of the first versions of the SR07 and neither of them survived a single trip in the range bag before the switches broke in the exact same places.

Since I had to wait a year (and counting) for Surefire to actually replace mine, I think I'll hesitate on jumping on the bandwagon on these for a while. Is the tab that holds the switch shut still plastic?

I wonder when my replacements will show up?:mad:

After almost 13 months, my replacements did show up. Based on what I am looking at, the difference that took a year to redesign is only that they added a thin strip of metal to reinforce the tab that broke off of both of mine. It looks to be an improvement, but I think time will tell. These will probably work fine mounted at 12 o'clock. In my opinion (and experience) the top of the rifle takes less of a beating that the sides or the bottom. Mine were mounted at 3 o'clock because I have a FSB. Mounted at 3 o'clock, as I said, both of mine broke off in the range bag.

[jaycee]

Grant and GotM4,

What length rails are you guys using on your setups?

jc

[C4IGrant]

Grant and GotM4,

What length rails are you guys using on your setups?

jc

I generally always try and use either a 9" or a 10" rail system.



C4

[rob_s]

I see no need for the remote switch and view it as a liability more than anything else. Not to mention you can keep your front BUIS further forward without it.

I wish they made a brighter or longer-throw head for the X300 though.

[C4IGrant]

I see no need for the remote switch and view it as a liability more than anything else. Not to mention you can keep your front BUIS further forward without it.

I wish they made a brighter or longer-throw head for the X300 though.


While I am not a HUGE fan of tape switches, I like this one a lot. If it does go down or break, you have a back up.

Your BUIS are just that, back ups. It doesn't really matter where they are (as you are not going to be shooting high power matches).

I don't know how much CQB (inside a shoot house) night fighting you have done, but the X300 is just about the perfect amount of throw and coverage for this type of thing (which is where the majority of ALL shootings go down).


C4

[rob_s]

I don't know how much CQB (inside a shoot house) night fighting you have done, but the X300 is just about the perfect amount of throw and coverage for this type of thing (which is where the majority of ALL shootings go down).


C4

I agree, but as mentioned elsewhere I'm looking for something brighter but compact/lightweight for other purposes. Something to replace the M961 I have now.

[gotm4]

Grant and GotM4,

What length rails are you guys using on your setups?

jc


My 10" gun the foliage green on is a 9" DD Lite Rail, the 12.5" gun the FDE one is a 9.5" DD Mk18 rail.

[jaycee]

Whoops, doubled when I signed back in...

[C4IGrant]

I agree, but as mentioned elsewhere I'm looking for something brighter but compact/lightweight for other purposes. Something to replace the M961 I have now.


Roger. About 65 Lumens in a home type interior is all you really need. Anything more and you will blind yourself for sure.


C4

[rob_s]

Roger. About 65 Lumens in a home type interior is all you really need. Anything more and you will blind yourself for sure.


C4

Yep, I've fired off that 961 in my white hallway at night and can attest to that! :cool:

[98z28]

For those of us who have fixed front sights and no extra rail real estate past the front sight, do you have any solutions for mounting a x300 in the 12:00 position? :confused:

Haven't tried this yet, but it might just work for us fixed front sight folks:

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=10577

[blake6551]

Grant and others running this setup,

Are you using the Picatinny plate or the Rail-Lock adaptor?

[nickdrak]

Grant and others running this setup,

Are you using the Picatinny plate or the Rail-Lock adaptor?

I use the Picatinny adapter plate and it locks up pretty tight.

[C4IGrant]

Grant and others running this setup,

Are you using the Picatinny plate or the Rail-Lock adaptor?

Yes on the "P".


C4

[Pat_D]

I have 2 setups just like this. Gotm4 and I did ours at about the same time. Both use the "P" adapter. 1 is on a 10" rail and the other a 9" rail. The biggest problem with having the sight radius so short is trying to zero your back up sights. The closer the front one is to the rear the larger your front sight appears. With a standard front sight post at 50 yards, the majority of an 8" plate is gone. Got M4 and I went to KNS front sight blades which are "stepped". Skinnier at the top than at the base. Utilizing this front sight post, I can once again see the plates at 50 yards even with the short sight radius.

The toggle switch is kinda small on the x300 but I seem to be able to hit it consistantly. As far as the exposed wire, I'm not a fan but if you must have it, zip tie the heck out of it. It would be ashame to train yourself to hit that little pad/button and find out just where it is only to have it broken and go "searching" for the seldom used "backup" switch when you need the light right now.

[uspopo]

Grant, in your initial post with pics. What length rail were you using? 12"?

Stan

[theJanitor]

i want to try this, but i like to run standard FSB's. what are my options? i dunno if i want to bolt any mounts directly to my barrel either.

[rob_s]

i want to try this, but i like to run standard FSB's. what are my options? i dunno if i want to bolt any mounts directly to my barrel either.

Daniel Defense 12.0 FSP (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=29)

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/product/a7a723c2cd683946050fc12e9d6952fb.jpg

[theJanitor]

how good is that rail? Is it easy to install and does it locate itself better than the lite rail?

i have a DD lite rail and i'm not that happy with the mounting setup. i LOOOVE my DD omega rail and my Larue, but not so happy with my other DD rail.

[rob_s]

how good is that rail? Is it easy to install and does it locate itself better than the lite rail?

i have a DD lite rail and i'm not that happy with the mounting setup. i LOOOVE my DD omega rail and my Larue, but not so happy with my other DD rail.

If you're not happy with the Lite rail then you probably won't be happy with the above either.

What's the beef with the Lite rail?

[theJanitor]

there really is no upper/rail locating mechanism built into the mount. it stays on by that bolt up friction clamp. it really was not easy to get the rail straight while tightening the clamp.

[rob_s]

there really is no upper/rail locating mechanism built into the mount. it stays on by that bolt up friction clamp. it really was not easy to get the rail straight while tightening the clamp.

Yeah, then you're really not going to like the M4 rail. Not sure what to tell you on that one.

[theJanitor]

thanks, back to the drawing board.

[Fringe]

there really is no upper/rail locating mechanism built into the mount. it stays on by that bolt up friction clamp. it really was not easy to get the rail straight while tightening the clamp.

I wish DD would come out with a "12 Omega. I love my Omega but just wish it would go past the FSB.

[rmecapn]

there really is no upper/rail locating mechanism built into the mount. it stays on by that bolt up friction clamp. it really was not easy to get the rail straight while tightening the clamp.

Troy has their MRF-CX (http://www.troyind.com/mrf.html#mrfcx) which is identical in function to the DD Rob showed. Troy uses indexing tabs on the rail to align the rail with upper receiver. Alignment was straight forward on the Troy I installed.

[theJanitor]

^thanks, i'll investigate that one. this is gonna be pretty expensive just to test.

[POF.Ops]

Hi Grant, I decided to go with the Pentagonlight MS3 LED w/TR3 pressure switch mounted at the 3 o'clock position. The 12 o'clock position interferes with my iron sights and 1-4x red dot optical sight. Your SF light looks like it will work well at the 3 o'clock position. Why should I go with the SF vs the MS3 LED?

[C4IGrant]

Hi Grant, I decided to go with the Pentagonlight MS3 LED w/TR3 pressure switch mounted at the 3 o'clock position. The 12 o'clock position interferes with my iron sights and 1-4x red dot optical sight. Your SF light looks like it will work well at the 3 o'clock position. Why should I go with the SF vs the MS3 LED?


The SF setup is lighter, smaller and cheaper.

It can also be taken off the rifle and mounted onto a handgun. The MS3 cannot do that.



C4

[POF.Ops]

Hmm - What would the package price be with the XT07 switch? Thanks.

[C4IGrant]

Hmm - What would the package price be with the XT07 switch? Thanks.

PM Sent.


C4

[POF.Ops]

Thank you Grant. The price is competitive with the MS3. I'm going to consider it since I still have the option of returning the MS3. I have a rail mount spot at 3 o'clock big enough for the light (it's a POF). I would just need to figure out where to mount the switch. I have a vertical grip for mounting tape switches. The only snag is that the XT07 is rail mount. I guess I could use industrial strength Velcro!

[C4IGrant]

Thank you Grant. The price is competitive with the MS3. I'm going to consider it since I still have the option of returning the MS3. I have a rail mount spot at 3 o'clock big enough for the light (it's a POF). I would just need to figure out where to mount the switch. I have a vertical grip for mounting tape switches. The only snag is that the XT07 is rail mount. I guess I could use industrial strength Velcro!



I could also switch out the SR07 tape switch for the more conventional UE07 tape switch. This might help out.


C4

[STS]

I've been running a Noveske N4 with a Aimpoint T1, DD 12.4 FSB and Surefire X300 mounted at 12 O' Clock since SHOT 08. I love it. Makes me wonder why I messed around with other set ups for so long. With this set up, to activate my light, I only have to move my thumb less than a 1/4". I can maintain my firing grip with out altering it at all. I have moved away from VG's as I find I'm faster and more accurate with this set up.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/scotsemmens/DSC00274.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/scotsemmens/DSC00275.jpg

[nickdrak]

Im convinced!
http://i34.tinypic.com/zuqia0.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/ou835u.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/dzhsf5.jpg

[rharris2163]

For all you guys who mount their lights at the 12 o'clock position, forward of the FSB, is this a preference thing or is there a logical reason besides "all the cool guys are doing it"?

[rob_s]

For all you guys who mount their lights at the 12 o'clock position, forward of the FSB, is this a preference thing or is there a logical reason besides "all the cool guys are doing it"?

That was pretty uncalled for.

See my signature line.

Beyond that, it's the spot on the rifle that makes the most sense if you think about it.

[C4IGrant]

For all you guys who mount their lights at the 12 o'clock position, forward of the FSB, is this a preference thing or is there a logical reason besides "all the cool guys are doing it"?


Did you read my comments on page one for the reason why it is a good idea to run the light in this position?


C4

[UPSguy]

For all you guys who mount their lights at the 12 o'clock position, forward of the FSB, is this a preference thing or is there a logical reason besides "all the cool guys are doing it"?

I do it as it is the only position you can mount the light that doesn't cast annoying shadows in you field of view when using a suppressor. It also allows me to do away with a tape switch, one less thing to go wrong. It is also a much lighter setup than the others I used.

I have tried lots of the ideas (and wasted a bunch of cash) on the newest, latest greatest fad pushed by certain people and used by the cool guys. They didn't work for me. This on most certainly does.

[nickdrak]

I only did it because chicks really dig it! Oh yeah, and because I was looking for a lighter set-up then my SF M900, and as Grant pointed out in his first post, the 12 o'clock/Cyclops position has alot of advantages over any other position, especially when clearing rooms/"slicing the pie", and shooting over cover. I initially planned on running the X300 at the 6 o'clock position, but with the XT switch installed, I just couldnt get it set up comfortably in conjunction with the vertical grip how I wanted.

[UPSguy]

He might have worded his question a little differently especially with a low post count but I think it is a valid question. Lord knows I cannot be the only one who fell for some of the latest and greatest fads started by some dealers on another forum that only benifited their bank accounts and looked cool in pictures.

[STS]

Who are the "cool guys"? I went with this set up based off my own experimentation with various light positions. I found that this set up works the best for me. I've been running this setup for nearly 6 months.

I did notice in the latest Vickers AAR he is using basically the same setup - so I guess that means I'm a "cool guy" and he is copying me!:eek:

[rharris2163]

That was pretty uncalled for.

See my signature line.

Beyond that, it's the spot on the rifle that makes the most sense if you think about it.

The statement was legit with some humor thrown in (I thought). I didn't think that injecting some humor would be offensive. You guys really need to lighten up.

[rharris2163]

Did you read my comments on page one for the reason why it is a good idea to run the light in this position?


C4

Yes.

Being right handed without using a pressure pad, It is easier to manipulate the switch with my left hand at the 9 O'clock position, while holding the VFG, without dealing with the wiring involved in using a pressure pad. YMMV. But you do make a good argument for the 12 O'clock position.

[rharris2163]

He might have worded his question a little differently especially with a low post count....

Get over yourself. That's a response I'd expect over on TOS. A post count is irrelevant. What does that have to do with anything. A person with a "Low post count" is invalid and have nothing to say or contribute? Sounds a little "Elitist" to me. Your's is lower than mine.

[rharris2163]

Who are the "cool guys"?

I have no idea since it was a legitimate question and wanted others to chime in besides C4, dashed with a slice of humor, but apparently, I struck a raw nerve....:rolleyes:

[STS]

I have no idea since it was a legitimate question and wanted others to chime in besides C4, dashed with a slice of humor, but apparently, I struck a raw nerve....:rolleyes:

Apparently we struck a raw nerve with you too, so take your own advice...

[C4IGrant]

Yes.

Being right handed without using a pressure pad, It is easier to manipulate the switch with my left hand at the 9 O'clock position, while holding the VFG, without dealing with the wiring involved in using a pressure pad. YMMV. But you do make a good argument for the 12 O'clock position.


I also run lights at the 9 position. The problem with this setup is that is that it exposes too much of the body (in certain positions). That is why the 12 O'Clock position is superior.

I really see no issues with the tape switch. The worst thing that can happen is that it gets ripped off. You can still use the light.



C4

[rharris2163]

Apparently we struck a raw nerve with you too, so take your own advice...

No, not really, just defending and responding to my post and the over reaction to it.

[rob_s]

Get over yourself. That's a response I'd expect over on TOS. A post count is irrelevant. What does that have to do with anything. A person with a "Low post count" is invalid and have nothing to say or contribute? Sounds a little "Elitist" to me. Your's is lower than mine.

I think what he meant was, not enough people may "know" you well enough here yet to get your attempt at humor. It's not about post counts indicating knowledge or cred, only that you probably shouldn't "joke" with people you don't know. My best friend is Puerto Rican. He calls me "cracker", "honkey", gringo" etc. and I respond in kind. I'm not going to wander into the middle of little Havana, however, and start hollering out those same words.

Either way, it has now been borne out that you had already made up your mind and appear to have been simply trolling. I think that the intent I inferred from your original post was exactly as intended and you're now backpeddling.

If you had already read, and understood, Grant's initial post you should have simply responded to that post with your counter-points.

I happen to agree with you re: tape switches as I have no use for them either. Your post that I quoted still came off as being dickish, not as an attempt at humor. Not to mention, your question that started this off was not about tape switches, it was about the light position.
For all you guys who mount their lights at the 12 o'clock position, forward of the FSB, is this a preference thing or is there a logical reason besides "all the cool guys are doing it"?

[Magsz]

At first i was a little skeptical of the 12 o'clock position but what everyone is saying makes sense.

I do have one question though. For those of you guys running flip up sights, does the light clutter your sight picture at all? I would imagine its similar to running something like a PEQ but im pretty sure most of the popular lights out there are significantly taller than a PEQ but i may be wrong.

I think im going to go slap my TLR-1 on top of my carbine and go have a looksie.

[The_Katar]

Knock off the stupid bullshit.

[C4IGrant]

At first i was a little skeptical of the 12 o'clock position but what everyone is saying makes sense.

I do have one question though. For those of you guys running flip up sights, does the light clutter your sight picture at all? I would imagine its similar to running something like a PEQ but im pretty sure most of the popular lights out there are significantly taller than a PEQ but i may be wrong.

I think im going to go slap my TLR-1 on top of my carbine and go have a looksie.

You do not see the SF in your FOV. You might see another brand of light though (something you will have to try).


C4

[POF.Ops]

Gee, I'm almost afraid to reply to this thread, but here goes...

I have a new POF-415 carbine and I'm in the process of selecting a light for it. The 12 o'clock position as others have offered their opinion makes a lot of sense to me. Especially with a can mounted since I am anxiously awaiting my AAC M4-2000 to clear BATFE scrutiny.

I have my rifle on the coffee table so I can ponder this question while relaxing and watching TV. The conclusion I have come to in my own particluar situation is that I simply don't have room to mount an X300 at 12 o'clock. At 12 o'clock I already have mounted BUIS and a Millett DMS-1. What I have decided upon is a Surefire 6PD with the Tactical Night Vision LED Drop-In and Multi-Function Tailcap Kit mounted on the LaRue Tactical LT-606 mounted at 3 o'clock. There is a Lasermax Unimax Green Laser mounted at 6 o'clock at the very front of the hand guard. Hopefully for me this is going to be the best CQB setup or should I re-think the solution?

[C4IGrant]

Gee, I'm almost afraid to reply to this thread, but here goes...

I have a new POF-415 carbine and I'm in the process of selecting a light for it. The 12 o'clock position as others have offered their opinion makes a lot of sense to me. Especially with a can mounted since I am anxiously awaiting my AAC M4-2000 to clear BATFE scrutiny.

I have my rifle on the coffee table so I can ponder this question while relaxing and watching TV. The conclusion I have come to in my own particluar situation is that I simply don't have room to mount an X300 at 12 o'clock. At 12 o'clock I already have mounted BUIS and a Millett DMS-1. What I have decided upon is a Surefire 6PD with the Tactical Night Vision LED Drop-In and Multi-Function Tailcap Kit mounted on the LaRue Tactical LT-606 mounted at 3 o'clock. There is a Lasermax Unimax Green Laser mounted at 6 o'clock at the very front of the hand guard. Hopefully for me this is going to be the best CQB setup or should I re-think the solution?

Are you left handed?

Lasers are generally better off at the 12, 3 or 9 position. The 6 position is generally the worst.


C4

[POF.Ops]

No, I'm right handed. I have space to put the laser at 12 or 3 and the light at 3 or 6. The laser has a tape switch mounted to a M249 SAW vertical grip (not shown in photo). I'm trying to avoid a tape switch on the light. Why is 6 the least optimal position for the laser? What would you recommend? Thank you for your expert recommendation.

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[C4IGrant]

[QUOTE=POF.Ops;197701]No, I'm right handed. I have space to put the laser at 12 or 3 and the light at 3 or 6. The laser has a tape switch mounted to a M249 SAW vertical grip (not shown in photo). I'm trying to avoid a tape switch on the light. Why is 6 the least optimal position for the laser? What would you recommend? Thank you for your expert recommendation.

I am not sure how you would reach the light mounted at the 3 position (being right handed). So I would mount the light at either the 5 or 9 position and hit it with your left thumb (no tape switch).

The 6 position is the worst for the laser as it is the farthest position from the bore.


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[Fringe]

I also run lights at the 9 position. The problem with this setup is that is that it exposes too much of the body (in certain positions). That is why the 12 O'Clock position is superior.

I really see no issues with the tape switch. The worst thing that can happen is that it gets ripped off. You can still use the light.



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Grant,
Can you clarify, "exposes too much of the body?"
Thanks.

[C4IGrant]

Grant,
Can you clarify, "exposes too much of the body?"
Thanks.


Yes, if the ligth is mounted at the 9 position (for instance) and you need to shoot around a right hand corner, you have to clear the corner in order to unblock your light.


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[Fringe]

Ahhhh. Got it. Thanks.
On another note, do you think whatever might be coming out from Surefire to compliment or replace the X300 is worth waiting for, or is the X300 good as is?

[C4IGrant]

Ahhhh. Got it. Thanks.
On another note, do you think whatever might be coming out from Surefire to compliment or replace the X300 is worth waiting for, or is the X300 good as is?



X300's are about as good as it gets and do not know of any upgrade planned.


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[theJanitor]

Grant,

got a price on the x300 and the rail switch, both separately and as a package?

i'm thinking maybe trying just the x300 alone, then if i need it, ordering the switch.

thanks.

[C4IGrant]

Grant,

got a price on the x300 and the rail switch, both separately and as a package?

i'm thinking maybe trying just the x300 alone, then if i need it, ordering the switch.

thanks.


Price is good either way.


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[theJanitor]

web site price, correct? are they in stock?

[C4IGrant]

web site price, correct? are they in stock?


They are in stock.


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[theJanitor]

I like mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM002.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/ADM%20mounts/ADM007.jpg

it looks like you modified the LMT thumbscrew. did you just cut it off and put a locking nut or something to that effect?

[chris1280]

Hey Janitor, good info here on the Fixed LMT Mod

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=4194

[theJanitor]

thanks! last nite i threw the thumbscrew on the lathe and turned it down a bit. it did get smaller but not small enough. so i'llbe putting a nut on there shortly and trimming off the excess threads.