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Icculus
06-23-09, 12:17
Hi guys. I'm currently in the market for an IWB holster and as I've ever only owned OWB rigs, looking for some assistance. I've been looking at a few models and I'm thinking the hybrid's might be the way to go for me. Hold open for easier re-holstering (maybe not the biggest deal) and the half kydex makes them seem a bit thinner overall but with the leather backing for some comfort. Anyone have good experiences with hybrids or want to point out some glaring flaws I should look out for? Those of you who have worn both all leather and hybrids can you point out pros/cons or what you like more about 1 or the other.

Currently I've been looking at these 2
http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95

http://www.bluegrasshybridholsters.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=30&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=72&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53&vmcchk=1&Itemid=53

Also I've looked at the Milt Sparks VM2 and like them but I just don't want to wait 26 weeks.
Any other suggestions of ones I should look at would be welcome. Thanks.

And if it matters I'm bigger guy--6'2" about 250lbs. (but working my way down;)) and the holster will be for P229 (no rail).

EDIT: Sorry if this is in the wrong section. Mods please move if it needs to go in Tactical Gear or another forum.

Business_Casual
06-23-09, 12:52
Once it is inside your waistband there is little else to worry about, IMO. I have used the C-Tac for years (and right now) and the only thing I did was replace a clip once.

My advice would be to go with the most narrow/least real estate Kydex and worry more about a really, really good belt and the trouser's fit. The IWB holster is more of a gun bucket.

M_P

Zhurdan
06-23-09, 13:24
I use the Kirkpatrick Hidden Defense Holster (http://www.kirkpatrickleather.com/product/h_txc.htm). It's similar to the Versamax2 in that it offsets the belt loops to help keep the bulk down. The two that I have (Glock and 1911) work wonderfully. Nice, thick leather, good hand worked molding, reinforced mouth for easy reholstering, and a high sweat guard on the inside. I wouldn't do any backflips or anything, but it'll keep 'em put during some light running and jostling. A bit cheaper than others I've seen as well. (~$80.00)

Rinspeed
06-23-09, 13:40
The Sparks Summer Special works very well for me. If you don't want to wait Galco makes a pretty good off the shelf holster. Their version of the SS is called the Summer Comfort.

Bob Reed
06-23-09, 14:18
Hello,

Rusty Sherrick's Rangemaster Thinman, shown at the bottom of the page via. the following link, is probally the least bulkest of all the IWB Holsters.

http://www.c-rusty.com/pages/holsters/insidewb.html

decodeddiesel
06-23-09, 15:21
I find with IWB thinner is deffiniately better. m_p is right, the IWB is basically a gun pocket which you add to your pants.

That said I find more and more I prefer Kydex for my guns. I have used and can suggest the Custom Carry Concepts "Looper", the Comp-tac "MTAC" and "CTAC", and the Raven Concealment "Phantom".

Leather holsters are nice and many prefer them for all steel guns such as the Browning High Power and 1911. The Milt Sparks Versa-Max II is probably the industry standard, with the Milt Sparks Summer Special also being a good choice. There are many other leather holsters out there, I am really not that "in the know" on the subject. I just know these are regarded as the best.

woodandsteel
06-23-09, 15:24
Currently I've been looking at these 2
http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95



This is the holster that I use for my glock 23. It's the holster that I am always recommending. It holds the gun secure to my body. I have no problem with the firearm printing.(provided I dress appropriately) And with the tension screws, I can adjust how secure the holster holds the firearm and can also adjust how it rides on my belt. Talking about belts, make sure you have a sturdy one. It can make all the difference in how well the holster rides.

Good luck!

LittleRedToyota
06-23-09, 15:25
no experience with the mtac, but i really like my comp-tac c-tac.

woodandsteel
06-23-09, 16:02
After reading your post again, I realize you wanted to know why we picked kydex over leather or vise versa.

I used to carry a Don Hume leather holster for a number of years. It was their h715-M W.C. It can be seen here at the top of the page; http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65_5&sort=20a&page=2

I only stopped carrying it because I lost it in a flood. It was a very utilitraian holster that held my Glock 23. It had a reinforced opening to aid in reholstering. And the belt clip made it easy to put on and take off. It did have a minor problem with printing. The grip of the gun tended to push out away from my body. But a loose shirt would hide it very well. For the price I thought it was very well made. My wife has one for her USP compact. She loves it.

After I lost my don Hume holster I started to look at the MTac. I heard good things and decided to give it a try. I liked the leather backing, for comfort sake. And the kydex front tended to make the gun/holster rig less bulky.

At first, I missed to the ease at which I could slip the Don Hume onto my belt. But, I soon found that the MTac would go on quick enough and would stay in position without moving.

I used to be a fan of leather holsters. I felt that they always added a touch of class to the firearm. But, for everyday carry of a Glock, the MTac fits the bill. If I ever buy a nice Colt 1911 it will definitely go into an upscale leather holster. But, I don't really ever expect to carry anything other than my Glock.

I hope this helped a little bit.

Icculus
06-23-09, 16:02
Thanks guys. I'm checking out some of the ones you've suggested. One of the reviews I was reading made an interesting comment. I'm going to use it to make a broad generalization about kydex (or hybrid) holsters vs. all leather and then let you guys correct me;) They were comparing an mtac and a vm2. The user basically said the mtac "felt more concealable" basically I believe referring to how the thinner profile allowed by the kydex made the holster seem closer to his body and less bulky. He commented though that the VM2 was more comfortable, especially when seated in the car.

Is this kinda the general consensus on leather vs kydex. I'm definitely concerned with the in the car part. I don't want to have to constantly feel like I have to remove the holster when getting in just to be comfortable.


This is the holster that I use for my glock 23. It's the holster that I am always recommending. It holds the gun secure to my body. I have no problem with the firearm printing.(provided I dress appropriately) And with the tension screws, I can adjust how secure the holster holds the firearm and can also adjust how it rides on my belt. Talking about belts, make sure you have a sturdy one. It can make all the difference in how well the holster rides.

Good luck!

woodandsteel how do you like your mtac when in the car? And on the belt, I'm upgrading that too and going to be ordering a new one from The Belt Man

Keep the suggestions coming, thanks everyone.

decodeddiesel
06-23-09, 16:14
woodandsteel how do you like your mtac when in the car? And on the belt, I'm upgrading that too and going to be ordering a new one from The Belt Man



I have worn an MTAC with my M&P9c frequently over the past few months so I will comment. I tend to push the holster pretty far forward on my hip so it's almost at 2:30 or so. I do this so I can use an un-tucked T-shirt as my concealment garment. I find sitting in the car to be very comfortable, even for long trips with this set-up. I prefer the MTAC to the Looper when I am going to be driving, or in and out of my car for extended periods.

woodandsteel
06-23-09, 16:32
The user basically said the mtac "felt more concealable" basically I believe referring to how the thinner profile allowed by the kydex made the holster seem closer to his body and less bulky. He commented though that the VM2 was more comfortable, especially when seated in the car.


woodandsteel how do you like your mtac when in the car? And on the belt, I'm upgrading that too and going to be ordering a new one from The Belt Man

Keep the suggestions coming, thanks everyone.

I agree about the kydex feeling more concealable due to the slimmer profile.

As far as driving a car, I have no issues with my MTac. Although, if I am planning on a long trip, I will move the holster a little more forward than usual. But for trips around town, I never had a problem.

Icculus
06-23-09, 16:32
I have worn an MTAC with my M&P9c frequently over the past few months so I will comment. I tend to push the holster pretty far forward on my hip so it's almost at 2:30 or so. I do this so I can use an un-tucked T-shirt as my concealment garment. I find sitting in the car to be very comfortable, even for long trips with this set-up. I prefer the MTAC to the Looper when I am going to be driving, or in and out of my car for extended periods.

Good to know. Where do you wear it normally? I'm about 4:00 person with other holsters. Terribly uncomfortable if you leave it there instead of rotating to 2:30?



As far as driving a car, I have no issues with my MTac. Although, if I am planning on a long trip, I will move the holster a little more forward than usual. But for trips around town, I never had a problem.
Interesting, so you shift yours forward as well. Doesn't cause the barrel to dig into your leg???


Thanks guys

Mark21
06-23-09, 16:35
+1 on the MTAC.

Got it two months ago with the open bottom so I can use both my G19 and G17 interchangeably. Super comfortable, though I have a muscular frame--6' 200--and it has a tendency to print when I wear it on my right side back (4-6 o'clock) because I'm very "angular". If you are a little "softer" it should disappear nicely. Overall, I cannot recommend this holster more.

woodandsteel
06-23-09, 16:52
Interesting, so you shift yours forward as well. Doesn't cause the barrel to dig into your leg???

Not at all. It tends to rotate down, towards the seat along my hip. But, not so much that I notice.

woodandsteel
06-23-09, 16:57
+1 on the MTAC.

Got it two months ago with the open bottom so I can use both my G19 and G17 interchangeably. Super comfortable, though I have a muscular frame--6' 200--and it has a tendency to print when I wear it on my right side back (4-6 o'clock) because I'm very "angular". If you are a little "softer" it should disappear nicely. Overall, I cannot recommend this holster more.

Yeah, I tend to be one of the softer ones.:( So it does hide nicely.

To the OP, I forgot to add what Mark 21 said. I like that the MTac is also modular, so you can save money if you end up with more than one handgun for CCW. Also, you can buy different clips for it, too. I use the standard belt clips. They serve me fine.

decodeddiesel
06-23-09, 17:07
To the OP: I have tried the MTAC at 4:00 and it really is not that uncomfortable when seated. My car has high bolster seats though and drawing when the holster is in this position when seated in my car would be virtually impossible. Also I find it stays concealed by my T-shirt much better if it is closer to the front that the back. It is more comfortable standing and what not with it at 4:00. Like everything else it's a compromise one way or the other...

RojasTKD
06-23-09, 17:31
I have been happy with my Kydex holsters from:

http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/k1/Default.htm
They make think and ultra think Kydex holsters

http://www.blade-tech.com/Holsters-c-253.html
Thicker than above but excellent quality

I've had leathers holster but re-holstering is much easier and faster with kydex. If I go somewhere where I cant take my firearm and have to leave it in the car my kydex holster allows me to easily, quickly and discreetly re-holster once I get back to my car. Also they are very durable and require little in the way of maintenance.

Icculus
06-23-09, 19:37
Yeah, I tend to be one of the softer ones.:( So it does hide nicely.


Good to know. I'm neither high speed, nor low drag but I'm working on being a bit more of both;)


To the OP: I have tried the MTAC at 4:00 and it really is not that uncomfortable when seated. My car has high bolster seats though and drawing when the holster is in this position when seated in my car would be virtually impossible. Also I find it stays concealed by my T-shirt much better if it is closer to the front that the back. It is more comfortable standing and what not with it at 4:00. Like everything else it's a compromise one way or the other...

I hear ya. Sounds alot like the seats in my STi which has very high bolsters on side and back.


I have been happy with my Kydex holsters from:

http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/k1/Default.htm
They make think and ultra think Kydex holsters

http://www.blade-tech.com/Holsters-c-253.html
Thicker than above but excellent quality

I've had leathers holster but re-holstering is much easier and faster with kydex. If I go somewhere where I cant take my firearm and have to leave it in the car my kydex holster allows me to easily, quickly and discreetly re-holster once I get back to my car. Also they are very durable and require little in the way of maintenance.

Definitely will take a look.

Thanks again everyone

decodeddiesel
06-23-09, 20:00
I hear ya. Sounds alot like the seats in my STi which has very high bolsters on side and back.


LOL, that's because it is an STi! CGM '05.

ToddG
06-23-09, 21:22
I think too much concern is put on thickness. The majority of the "thickness" comes from the gun. People who argue about 0.08" kydex vs. 0.12" kydex just kill me. Your gun is probably about an inch and a quarter wide at the juncture where it intersects the holster. Do you honestly think having 1/12th of an inch more material is going to spell the difference between undercover ninja and open carry?

Priority #1 for a holster is that it be comfortable because if it's not, you won't use it which means you won't have a gun. Having a gun is Job One. So having a holster that allows you to have a gun is critical.

Second, I want the holster to be accessible. If I can't get to my gun and get my gun out reasonably fast, then the holster isn't doing me a whole lot of good. This is why I tend to eschew ankle rigs, etc., for primary carry.

Third, I want it to be concealable. Not "most invisible ever" ... either it prints obviously with my cover garment or it does not. Most folks who worry endlessly about the thickness of their holsters never think to get a shirt that is 0.08" wider. :rolleyes:

Fourth, I want the holster to be secure. If it can't do a good job protecting the gun and keeping the gun in place, it's not really going to work the next time I have a spontaneous desire to do a cartwheel in the park. OK, I don't do cartwheels but still my holster should be capable of it ...

Personally, I dislike the hybrid holsters as they tend to take up a big patch of real estate, especially on the body side. I like low-profile holsters that take up minimal space on my belt and on my body. For similar reasons, I dislike the dual offset loop holsters like the VM2. I just don't find them as comfortable and any supposed improvement in concealability is, in my opinion, self-fulfilling prophecy and nothing more.

The design -- shapes, angles, etc. -- of a holster plays a much bigger role in comfort & concealment than the material.

There are all sorts of reasons to choose leather over kydex, or vice versa. But what works best for one person isn't what works best for everyone. Some people find kydex uncomfortable, others don't. Some people can't stand the finish wear that kydex can cause on high points/edges, others don't care a bit. Some people need to worry about the possibility of getting talcum powder-like sand embedded in their leather holsters, others don't. Etc.

For traditional behind-the-hip IWB kydex, I'd recommend an original Mad Dog if you can find it, the Comp-Tac Ghurka (though I've broken the clips eventually on all of mine), or obviously the Looper.

For leather, the Milt Sparks Executive Companion is probably the most comfortable IWB holster I've ever used and was, for many years, my everyday companion no matter what model gun I was using. However, as a company they've pretty much given up on customer service and I can no longer recommend them. I've also always liked and had good success with the Kramer IWB#3 and would seriously consider that if I were going back to that mode of carry.

G34Shooter
06-23-09, 22:17
Todd, what's your opinion on Raven Concealment's IWB setups?

ToddG
06-23-09, 22:31
Todd, what's your opinion on Raven Concealment's IWB setups?

I've never used one. Spoke with them a bit last year about possibly getting one of their appendix rigs, but it never came together.

A lot of people swear by the Raven holsters, but for every person I've met who says his has been to hell and back, I know someone whose RCS holster has broken.

Their huge footprint is also a negative for me personally. While some folks might like the flexibility of a "modular" holster, personally I'd rather something that is purpose-built ... everything I want and nothing I don't.

But as I said, you need spend only a few minutes with the Search function to find a lot of people at M4C who love RCS holsters and use them every day.

signsrup
06-23-09, 22:36
I'm going to be in the minority here, I know, but here is my opinion.

I tried the MTAC with a G19, and felt like I had a small car in my pants. I just found it to be too big. I switched to a "summer special" type kydex holster from Blade-tech, and was much happier.

I also think (although I don't remember seeing it mentioned here) that too much gets made of the "tuckable vs non-tuckable" aspect of IWB holsters. I tried the tuck thing with the MTAC, and it wasn't worth the hassle. As soon as I sat down, the shirt climbed the gun, and left it wide-open. You're better off to accept that you're going to have to change the way you dress around your carry piece.

Just my experience....nothing more.

Irish
06-24-09, 01:09
A review I did about 6 months ago but it might help... I use a Belt Man belt and a Wilderness 5 stitch and would recommend them both. No experience with kydex other than cheap shit but hope this helps.

Let me preface this with the fact that I am not a writer, manufacturer, reviewer or in anyway affiliated with any of the companies that are featured in this quick, down & dirty review. Personally I own a 5” Wilson Combat CQB which I can’t say enough good things about. This is my favorite 1911 I have owned and my experience is rather limited in comparison to some of the people who post here so please bear with me. In addition to that I’m 6’3” and 220lbs and I believe this may play a large part in my comfort factor with different holsters as opposed to someone of more conventional size.

My main reason for posting this is that I think a lot of people would like to see more pictures of different holsters and how they compare to one another. I’ve studied a myriad of different holsters, websites and forums and could not come up with any 1 answer to what I wanted so I purchased 3 holsters from manufacturers who are widely considered to be “top tier” in the category of IWB holsters. I am not inferring that anyone else shouldn’t or wouldn’t be considered, I just couldn’t get their holster in a timely manner. I myself would’ve loved to have been able to get an Alessi and a Nossar to throw into the mix and will do so one day.

As of right now I’ll be discussing the Gary Brommeland Max-Con V, the Milt Sparks VM-II (horsehide) and the Matt Del Fatti ISP-LP. I purchased the Sparks and Del Fatti holsters from aftermarket resale specialists that had them in stock and I got lucky enough that Gary had an “extra” MC-V that someone hadn’t paid for and he was willing to sell to me along with whipping out a matching magazine pouch to go with it, thanks again Gary!

My 1st impression of all 3 holsters is that they are all on an equal playing field as far as fit and finish goes, needless to say I’m impressed! The attention to detail and the quality of each is readily apparent, even to the novice :) I decided I’d get all 3 holsters and then make my determination as to who would get my hard earned money for a complete rig so I tested all 3 with a Wilderness Instructor Belt. On a side note this is a great belt for a reasonable price and I now recommend them to any and every person I know who uses holsters. I bought the 1.5” 5 stitch belt in a size 40 and it fits perfect, my pants size is normally 34” – 36” for a reference, and if you’re ever in the Phoenix area drop in and they’ll make yours while you wait! Great quality and customer service to match, enough said.

This “review” is purely subjective and is based solely on my comfort. I would highly recommend you purchase multiple holsters from different manufacturers and try your stab at finding the most comfortable, concealable and “best” holster for yourself. If your wife doesn’t understand tell her it’s like finding the best fitting bra for her, mine understood :D Please remember that this is not meant to critique any of these holsters on their quality of build as I believe they are all top notch in that category. As a side note I did not wear these holsters for weeks on end. My observations are from wearing them each approximately 3 days so there may be in fact more to be gained from them after a proper break in period. I tend to think so with the VM-2 especially being made of horse and feeling much more stiff upon initial inspection.

3rd place for me in the comfort area is the Matt Del Fatti ISP-LP. Although it is the shortest holster in length and initially I thought this would add more comfort I’ve come to realize that it hits directly on my sciatic nerve and is extremely painful to wear. This is obviously in direct proportion to my frame, physique and physical make up and nothing to do with the outstanding product Matt delivers. The belt loops are the widest of the 3 holsters. The initial firearm fit was the “loosest” in comparison to the other 2 but was more than ample when doing an upside down shake test. Just to clarify the holster was NOT loose but in fact was probably the closest to being the actual proper size to my CQB and would need the least amount of break in. ***The ISP does have a semi-reinforced mouth, only in the front. Sideways squeeze test puts this in 2nd for ease of reholstering.***
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9285/holster005ym2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

2nd place for me is the Milt Sparks VM-2 in horsehide (it was available). The VM-2 was middle of the road for overall length and belt loop width in respect to the other 2 holsters. I’m not sure if the horsehide requires more of a breaking in period but it was in the middle for comfort for me, slight sciatic nerve pinching, and it did tend to squeak a little when walking. Remember, my body and your body are proportioned differently and the things I mention will not affect everyone in the same way. The CQB fit remarkably well and didn’t need anything outside of normal use for any break in contrary to what I’ve read in several places. I have heard that Sparks holsters are very tight and that they need “bagging” and such for break in but this was definitely not the case with mine, a great job on fit! ***The VM-2 has a reinforced mouth and was by far the easiest for 1 handed reholstering. Sideways squeeze test puts it in 1st place with respect to being non-collapsing.***
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2448/holster002ra5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

1st place for me in terms of comfort was the Gary Brommeland Max-Con V. This holster was longest in overall length and had the skinniest belt loops. Out of all 3 the MC-V is the only 1 with different size loops, the back loop being about ľ” larger than the front and really helped in the area of comfort (also for presenting the weapon in a vehicle). Along with the loops I feel that the taller “sweat guard” helped a lot in terms of love handle protection :) The Max-Con V does not have a reinforced mouth for 1 handed reholstering and I’m of the opinion that this will not affect me as a civilian carrying concealed. This holster also had the most cant out of the 3 and may be the largest part of being the most comfortable due to not hitting the sciatic nerve, again, on me! Excellent weapon fit and retention as to be expected.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6191/holster003cw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Additional group photos so you can see all 3 side by side and the varying angles that are attributes of each different design. From Left to Right MC-V, VM-II, ISP-LP.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7342/holster008vp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1425/holster009me8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/516/holster014wb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A couple more thoughts and things I noticed. In terms of holding the CQB closest to my body, the results were the same as comfort, the MC-V, VM-II and then the ISP-LP.
I would not hesitate to HIGHLY RECOMMEND ALL 3 HOLSTERS to anyone and everyone reading this! My body type, physique and opinions on what is comfortable to me should in no way influence your decision. Initially I was going to only post pictures and thought it might be fun to jot down what my quick thoughts were concerning each one.
And 1 more to show off the holster pouch as well… take care.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2617/holster004dq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

John_Wayne777
06-24-09, 08:15
When it comes to rigs for concealed carry, especially IWB carry of any sort, you are just going to have to work through a number of options to find something that works best for your particular needs and dimensions.

My go-to CC gear for a while now has been Raven Concealment. It is without question THE most comfortable IWB holster I have ever used. I use the Phantom holster with rubber loops for daily IWB carry without problem. In the past few weeks I've been burning up the highways and sitting in hospital waiting rooms because of family medical situations...all with no holster issues. I can sit for hours without discomfort with the Raven gear. Durability for me has been very good, but I don't beat the hell out of the gear on a daily basis.

Someone else may find that the RCS gear doesn't work as well for them as it has for me. Everybody who carries concealed for long enough will collect a bunch of holsters and accessory gear that they've tried over the years. It's just a reality that those pondering concealed carry must learn to accept. On the bright side, with the internet these days it's pretty easy to sell off gear that you don't like or no longer use.

All of that being said, everyone I've shown my RCS gear to in real life has raved about it, and I've lost a few pieces of RCS gear to friends and buddies who had a Flowers for Algernon moment after trying my gear.

John_Wayne777
06-24-09, 08:19
I'm going to be in the minority here, I know, but here is my opinion.

I tried the MTAC with a G19, and felt like I had a small car in my pants. I just found it to be too big. I switched to a "summer special" type kydex holster from Blade-tech, and was much happier.

I also think (although I don't remember seeing it mentioned here) that too much gets made of the "tuckable vs non-tuckable" aspect of IWB holsters. I tried the tuck thing with the MTAC, and it wasn't worth the hassle. As soon as I sat down, the shirt climbed the gun, and left it wide-open. You're better off to accept that you're going to have to change the way you dress around your carry piece.

Just my experience....nothing more.

My experience mirrors yours. Personally I find tuckable holsters to be an absolute waste. They are uncomfortable and don't really conceal all that well, IMO. I much prefer wearing a traditional IWB holster with a T-shirt under a camp style button up shirt or a polo type shirt.

A lot of what works and what doesn't depends on body type. If you are skinny as a rail you might be able to pull off behind the hip tucked carry...personally I end up with a big obvious bulge wherever I attempt to place a tuckable holster. It looks like I have a tumor on my waistline.

decodeddiesel
06-24-09, 10:43
I agree that tucking an IWB holster is just plain foolish. I know the most of the holsters which I mentioned have the tuck capability however I never use it.

I don't think anyone is sweating the minimal difference in kydex thickness of the holsters, and in fact I would much prefer the thickest kydex available as I bet it is a good deal more durable than the thin stuff.

What holster thickness comes down to for me is being able to wear normal pants that are slightly larger than my waist or buying huge clown pants so I can stuff that giant leather holster with the triple re-enforced leather mouth into. It just doesn't work for me as I don't wear huge baggy clothes, nor do I wear 5.11 tactical pants and a "shoot-me-first" vest daily.

I really like the CCC Looper because of it's minimal footprint, extremely well formed kydex (the best retention I have ever seen in a kydex holster), and it is very thin. I like the CTAC and MTAC for similar reasons. I find with the CTAC and the Looper, even carrying a full size 1911, I am able to wear well fitting pants and a normal sized T-shirt or polo easily without printing.

HES
06-24-09, 11:07
Currently I've been looking at these 2
http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95
That's what I have been using to carry for the last 18 months and I love it. I like that I have the leather up against my skin or my undershirt. I like that the kydex is on the other side for the slim profile. Im not too worried about scuff marks. I drive with it all the time with no problems.

LSK
06-24-09, 11:14
Holsters are like running shoes, what fits me great might put you in pain. There are a lot of great IWB holsters out there. Right now I am using a 5 Shot Leather IBS and I rate it as one of the best I have used.

rubberneck
06-24-09, 11:43
I have a Comptac Minotaur holster and like it very much. It is very comfortable, doesn't print and is as fast as any other IWB I have ever tried. In fact I shot the 2008 IDPA Nationals using that holster, a stock M&P and I didn't feel that I was at much of a disadvantage when compared to my competition holster (Ready Tactical).

Icculus
06-24-09, 13:25
Thanks everyone. I understand what you mean about it being a personal fitment issue and trying multiple holsters. Unfortunately its not the easiest thing to find multiple ones to try and cash doesn't make ordering several a viable alternative right now. I went ahead and ordered the MTAC and will go from there. Thanks again.

Oh and decodeddiesel-- 07 SWP--nothing fancy, Cobb stage II and some suspension goodies:)

TOrrock
06-24-09, 13:37
I'm a big guy and my two favorites that work for me are:

In leather.....Kramer #3 IWB in horsehide.

In kydex......Raven Concealement Phantom.

Both are durable, comfortable, and concealable.

I tend to find that the horsehide holsters work a bit better for me though....they tend to move with me better.

decodeddiesel
06-24-09, 13:38
Oh and decodeddiesel-- 07 SWP--nothing fancy, Cobb stage II and some suspension goodies:)

Sweet. I kept my cats and stayed stage 1 with some suspension goodies as well. I love the peanut eyes, but I wish I had your tranny gearing.

Let us know how the MTAC works out when you get a chance.

ToddG
06-24-09, 14:05
but I wish I had your tranny gearing.

Someone close this thread before they start showing pictures of themselves while cross-dressing, please ...

tex45acp
06-24-09, 14:24
While I agree with irishluck73 for the most part, I must say that my Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 edges my Brommeland Max Con V out of that first place slot. One thing I want in a holster is guaranteed one hand reholstering and the MSVM2 has a metal band around the mouth to assure this is possible. My BMCV though very stiff will actually close up enough where one hand reholstering is difficult but not impossible with some gun manipulation. I also want to throw another hat into the ring here. Tucker Gunleather, located here in Texas makes a great IWB holster called the Heritage, but it too lacks the stiffening band to keep the holster mouth open for one hand reholstering.
Here's one I have for my CZ75
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/CZTUCKER.jpg

decodeddiesel
06-24-09, 14:28
Someone close this thread before they start showing pictures of themselves while cross-dressing, please ...

Only for you big boy ;)

Buckaroo
06-24-09, 15:59
While I agree with irishluck73 for the most part, I must say that my Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 edges my Brommeland Max Con V out of that first place slot. One thing I want in a holster is guaranteed one hand reholstering and the MSVM2 has a metal band around the mouth to assure this is possible. My BMCV though very stiff will actually close up enough where one hand reholstering is difficult but not impossible with some gun manipulation. I also want to throw another hat into the ring here. Tucker Gunleather, located here in Texas makes a great IWB holster called the Heritage, but it too lacks the stiffening band to keep the holster mouth open for one hand reholstering.
Here's one I have for my CZ75

My TX Heritage is the most comfortable. I tried the leather/kydex "The Answer" and did not like the way it rode, too stiff, then I bought a TX Heritage and it molded right to me. I use Velcro belt clips and tuck when necessary. When I need to tuck it is for church or other dressy occasions when I still like to carry a full size pistol. Now, that my be changing. I recently sold my P3at and bought a Kahr PM9 that seems to be a nice middle ground between the .380 pocket pistols and a compact like a G27 or M&P9c.

Time will tell. I also use a SmartCarry and can pocket carry the PM9 if I want.

Buckaroo

Just my experience.

Jason Burton
06-25-09, 23:46
Holsters are like running shoes, what fits me great might put you in pain. There are a lot of great IWB holsters out there. Right now I am using a 5 Shot Leather IBS and I rate it as one of the best I have used.

I completely agree... especially the part about the 5 Shot IBS holster. ;)

In all candor, John Ralston at 5 Shot Leather is making absolutely top notch and supremely functional concealment leather. I whole heartedly recommend Johnís work.

El Cid
06-27-09, 22:15
I'm 6'2" tall and around 220. My favorite IWB holster is one I've been using since 1997. I have four of them (for four different weapons) and have converted several coworkers to it.

It will NOT collapse when the gun is drawn. The belt loop is behind the weapon causing the belt to pull in closer to the body. You get two size belt loops with it and can buy a third. The angle of the loop can be adjusted to fit you with a locking swivel. You can get the holster open-top, with a body shield, or with a thumbbreak.

www.andrewsleather.com

It's the McDaniel II.

Oh, and before anybody says anything, the pics on the site are old. The holster completely covers the trigger guard. I have this hoslter for a 5" 1911, Officers 1911, Glock 22, and USP45C. You cannot get to the trigger with any of them.

jnc36rcpd
06-28-09, 20:08
I'd second that vote for Andrews Custom Leather. It does a good job of concealling my SIG 226R which is not the smallest gun. Price and wait time were reasonable. While I'm generally a Kydex guy, I may order an Andrews IWB for my 229.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-29-09, 02:03
Is anyone running the velcro hooks from Raven, Comptac, or somewhere else? I really didn't get these, I thought they were so that you could attach a phone holder or a fake belt loop to the front. Comptac can make a belt with the mating velcro. The jocking up seems a bit more involved, and I'm wondering if when you have to pull the gun you get a giant ripping sound and the gun still in the holster. :D

wargasm
06-29-09, 04:15
I like and use the Crossbreed Super Tuck, although I have NO intention of "tucking in". Butt ugly but comfortable as hell! I would like for it to be modular like the Comp Tac's, but mine's fits my G19, G22 and G21SF. The 3 o'clock position is the most comfortable for me.

Buckaroo
06-29-09, 09:09
Is anyone running the velcro hooks from Raven, Comptac, or somewhere else? I really didn't get these, I thought they were so that you could attach a phone holder or a fake belt loop to the front. Comptac can make a belt with the mating velcro. The jocking up seems a bit more involved, and I'm wondering if when you have to pull the gun you get a giant ripping sound and the gun still in the holster. :D

I have used velcro clips on both a Tucker Gunleather and K&D holster with very good results. They are very secure and are almost invisible compared to a standard clip. I tried "J" clips and "C" clips as well but neither were as secure as I wanted. Actually, I would put the velcro clips up against any other clips for security. They are more difficult to use at first until you learn how to get your belt on and the holster in place. In time it got easier and quicker.

For me they are the best because they allow me to be able to tuck my shirt. Tucking creates its own problems and causes the weapon to be in a deeper form of concealment which means it will be more difficult to access leading to a slower draw.

At times, when I needed to tuck, I have also used a Smart Carry at 12:00 with the grip of the weapon above my belt (AIWB style).

As for Velcro on my belts I have used Gorilla Glue and had the local boot repair shop sew it in. Both have been more than sufficient.

Buckaroo

truth
10-24-09, 16:57
I'm very pleased to report that my DM Bullard "Dual Carry" holsters are proving to be fantastic EDC options. Highly recommended.

http://chadspectorphoto.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/20091023-_MG_3798.jpg

http://chadspectorphoto.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/20091023-_MG_3801.jpg

http://chadspectorphoto.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/20091023-_MG_3820.jpg

http://chadspectorphoto.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/20091023-_MG_3808.jpg

awm14hp
10-24-09, 21:09
I love the alessi talon plus and the kramer horsehide #3 IWB for a kydex I go with one I made or a blade tech OWB but most times I carry IWB

Alpha Sierra
10-24-09, 23:14
I've tried IWB holsters for my M&Ps from Comp-Tac (CTAC), K&D (Cochise Defender), RCS (Phantom), Lobo Gunleather, and Kirpatrick (Hidden Defense).

Up until now I have carried mostly revolvers because no holster that I tried for my semi autos gave me the concealability and comfort that I was looking for. The CTAC and Cochise Defender came very close.

Then I tried a #20 from FIST holsters. Everything else has either been sold, thrown away in disgust, or relegated to second or third tier. This thing is STIFF from the get go, but once it breaks in and you adjust retention to your liking, the holster just molds to you and makes a full size pistol simply vanish on my 5'9" 185 lb frame. It is also truly an all-day comfortable holster. Pair it up with a dual layer bullhide belt from The Beltman, and I forget I am wearing a gun.

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/JRossy/guns/DSC00610.jpg

decodeddiesel
10-24-09, 23:48
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/Abby1911MP012CR2.jpg

M&P9c in MTAC.

SELFDEFENSE
10-25-09, 20:27
I am partial to tuckable IWBS including my BladeTech UCH tuckable and Custom Carry Concepts Quick Cover.

ra2bach
10-26-09, 11:33
I'd second that vote for Andrews Custom Leather. It does a good job of concealling my SIG 226R which is not the smallest gun. Price and wait time were reasonable. While I'm generally a Kydex guy, I may order an Andrews IWB for my 229.

I'll third that!

btw,what hand do you shoot? I got two (don't ask...) for a SIG P229 in LEFT hand. one is unused and I'm trying to sell it cheap :D

Magsz
10-26-09, 11:46
Deco,

Did you mod your holster at all to accommodate the thumb safety model of M&P?

I asked comptac if they made holsters made to fit the thumb safety models and they said that all of their IWB models would not accommodate that particular pistol.

Did they give me the wrong info or did you do something to your holster?

Icculus
10-26-09, 22:04
This thread got bumped back up and it reminded me that I asked for assistance but never updated it with my final selection a month or 2 back. Thanks much to decoded and others for all your input. Hopefully all the great suggestions, insights and reviews people provided me here can be a good reference for anyone hunting an IWB holster.

Sig 229 in a M-Tac (note it's not seated all the way in the holster in the pic)
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/Icculus09/IMG00164.jpg

DBake
11-10-09, 18:55
Once it is inside your waistband there is little else to worry about, IMO. I have used the C-Tac for years (and right now) and the only thing I did was replace a clip once.

My advice would be to go with the most narrow/least real estate Kydex and worry more about a really, really good belt and the trouser's fit. The IWB holster is more of a gun bucket.

M_P

I agree with was M_P said, that why I use a cheapo, Uncle Mikes IWB. Hasn't let me down at all.

decodeddiesel
11-10-09, 19:05
Deco,

Did you mod your holster at all to accommodate the thumb safety model of M&P?

I asked comptac if they made holsters made to fit the thumb safety models and they said that all of their IWB models would not accommodate that particular pistol.

Did they give me the wrong info or did you do something to your holster?

Just saw this post now, sorry for the delayed response.

To answer your question, no I have not modified the holster at all. The safety has "welted" into the leather over time. It worked out very well.

spankaveli
11-10-09, 19:28
I've been through Crossbreed Supertuck, MTAC, VM2, TT IWB (and OWB), Leather Arsenal DDCS (Basically an SS), CT Infidel and probably some others I can't remember.

Between all of those I've decided a few things. I like a "sweat guard" that extends at least a bit beyond the slide (and rear sight). It's not because of the sweat, it's because I'm a fat shit and I'd prefer my precious skin contact leather (or even kydex) and not metal. I also need a reinforced mouth. Alot of people (especially the MTAC sack riders) will typically say something along the lines of how it's "not necessarily" and they "don't need to reholster one handed," etc etc until you get into a class, training environment, etc, that you do. I also like my belt attachments to wrap around my belt and not clip. The TT IWB is basically a variant of the VM2 design but it rides at a bit cant and also sits a bit lower. That was my main gripe with the VM2.

Also, a note now that I'm thinking about it. When I ordered my Comptac Infidel I ordered it with the clip and belt loops. The belt loops I ordered did not have one way snaps. This caused the snaps to become undone if I pushed down on the gun in the holster. I was able to order some loops (I don't remember where) and changed them out. Just something I thought I'd mention.

On the above holsters right now I generally will go to either my TT IWB (http://www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/c1_p1.html) or my LA DDCS (http://www.leatherarsenal.com/DoubleDeep.htm).

Both have secure belt loops with one way snaps, both have reinforced mouths and both have decent sweat guards. Both are reasonably quick to draw (well, as fast as I can), comfortable (not as comfy as when I was a few inches less in circumference) and both conceal very well. There is obviously a significant design difference between the two. The main difference and the reason I often go to the DDCS over the TTIWB is holster width. With the DDCS I can bring my gun to about 9:30 or 10:00 (I'm a lefty) whereas the TTIWB needs to be closer to 9:00. Also, on the DDCS, because of the shape, the mouth is a bit wider. As such, I am able to rotate the muzzle inside of the holster. This gives me a stable platform (and better reach because it's more toward center line) for my weak hand drawstroke. Obviously I can get to the gun in any of the aforementioned holsters with my strong hand so the weak hand is where I look to make sure I'm carrying it far enough forward. Also both of these holsters (and a couple of the others) allow access to the magazine release while the gun is fully seated in the holster.

Here are some pics. (Don't worry, none of me carrying. ;))

TT (Tim Thurner) IWB
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/zauh3zvzz8ejjwtrpjxk.jpg

Leather Arseanl DDCS (Double Deep Concealment Special)
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/n9qfmroascthzff04tft.jpg

Comptac Infidel
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/bwao6izre0m767dws8wm.jpg

Milt Sparks VM2
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/s65jqgqd2xosl77zmb98.jpg

Comptac MTAC
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/5edoh3slrsuuyr2rs58j.jpg

Crossbreed Supertuck (after I butchered it)
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/zb9qmex6083cc87il.jpg

And if you want something really narrow...
Raven Concealment "Vanguard"
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/hybpp9f0c1m68tgesc24.jpg


While I'm posting holster pics, a shameless plug for this beautiful dual-duty holster that I have no use for. :(
http://upload.spankdu.com/images/4u5hm6asqt9ag7rn12pe.gif

ZDL
11-11-09, 22:34
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jeremy45
11-11-09, 23:21
I have been carrying a G19 in a PureKustom Black Ops Pro for close to a year now. This holster is extremely comfortable, I wear it all day every day and never have any problems. It conceals very well and has good retention. Rocky is a great man to deal with and super nice, I highly recommend his product.

www.purekustom.com

Jeremy45

uwe1
04-17-10, 00:17
Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I wanted to find out which IWB holsters other M4C members, who have my size and build, have been most successful with. I am 5'7" and between 140-145# and looking to get something for a Glock 19. Unfortunately, by the sounds of this thread, there aren't too many people of my size and build.

DTHN2LGS
04-17-10, 17:16
I'm not your build either, but I recently got this for my G19:

http://www.shop.peterscustomholsters.com/product.sc?productId=1

I like it quite a bit, check it out.

awm14hp
04-17-10, 17:55
I have a G19 and 17

I am 6'5 250 and hide my guns in Kramer #3 or alessi talon or rafter IWB

MookNW
04-22-10, 18:44
I've been looking for a iwb holster (Occidental Stronghold Phoenix) and the manufacturer wants to know the belt width I prefer. Now, I measured the belt I've been wearing for years, 1 1/4 wide. I'm tempted to order the 1 1/2" loops so I'm not screwed down the road if I get a different belt. Anyone have experience with loops bigger than your belt by 1/4-1/2" ?. Would this"slack" be a negative? The 1/2" of play would come from using it with a dress belt. Ironically, Occidental sells gunbelts too. But for $90 bux, I'd rather throw some tritiums on my gun.

G34Shooter
04-22-10, 18:57
I've been looking for a iwb holster (Occidental Stronghold Phoenix) and the manufacturer wants to know the belt width I prefer. Now, I measured the belt I've been wearing for years, 1 1/4 wide. I'm tempted to order the 1 1/2" loops so I'm not screwed down the road if I get a different belt. Anyone have experience with loops bigger than your belt by 1/4-1/2" ?. Would this"slack" be a negative? The 1/2" of play would come from using it with a dress belt. Ironically, Occidental sells gunbelts too. But for $90 bux, I'd rather throw some tritiums on my gun.


Buy a spare belt loop so you have both sizes:
http://www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/c4_p1.html

MookNW
04-22-10, 19:49
Buy a spare belt loop so you have both sizes:
http://www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/c4_p1.html

Nuff said, thanks shooter. BTW, thanks for suggesting the Occidental.

Pathfinder Ops
04-22-10, 20:20
I'm 6'2" 240#'s and I roll with a Kramer IWB for my full frame 1911, Kimber TLE RL II.

I like leather and I like the cant of the holster.

It's just plain good quality and exactly appropriate for my carry style.

RogerinTPA
04-22-10, 20:26
I have worn an MTAC with my M&P9c frequently over the past few months so I will comment. I tend to push the holster pretty far forward on my hip so it's almost at 2:30 or so. I do this so I can use an un-tucked T-shirt as my concealment garment. I find sitting in the car to be very comfortable, even for long trips with this set-up. I prefer the MTAC to the Looper when I am going to be driving, or in and out of my car for extended periods.

Same here for over 2 years now. It's very comfortable and concealable at the 2 or 3 O'Clock position while driving, under a Polo or simple T-shirt here in FL.

tsconver
04-22-10, 21:57
I have been carrying my G27 in a N8 squared tactical holster, http://n82tactical.com/

I really like it, is nicely padded, molds to you and your pistol and is very comfortable both standing and sitting. Definitely recommend it.

Alien
04-23-10, 05:51
I've been looking for a iwb holster (Occidental Stronghold Phoenix) and the manufacturer wants to know the belt width I prefer. Now, I measured the belt I've been wearing for years, 1 1/4 wide. I'm tempted to order the 1 1/2" loops so I'm not screwed down the road if I get a different belt. Anyone have experience with loops bigger than your belt by 1/4-1/2" ?. Would this"slack" be a negative? The 1/2" of play would come from using it with a dress belt. Ironically, Occidental sells gunbelts too. But for $90 bux, I'd rather throw some tritiums on my gun.

I just received my Occidental Phoenix holster today (well... yesterday now) and it's a great freaking holster. It was overly tight at first (I couldn't get my M&P out of the holster) but I fixed that by spreading the mouth a bit and breaking it in by sliding the gun in and out. After wearing it out and about for a couple of hours, I can definitely say I'm very satisfied.

My suggestion is get the 1.5" loops and get a 1.5" belt btw. :p 1.5" is much better at holding up a gun than 1.25".

G34Shooter
04-23-10, 11:21
I just received my Occidental Phoenix holster today (well... yesterday now) and it's a great freaking holster. It was overly tight at first (I couldn't get my M&P out of the holster) but I fixed that by spreading the mouth a bit and breaking it in by sliding the gun in and out. After wearing it out and about for a couple of hours, I can definitely say I'm very satisfied.

My suggestion is get the 1.5" loops and get a 1.5" belt btw. :p 1.5" is much better at holding up a gun than 1.25".



Glad you liked it, mine is overly tight as well but I will adjust it when i get my M&P back from Apex.

MookNW
04-23-10, 11:41
Just ordered the Phoenix..I'll check back in when I get my grubby paws on it. Now I wait...