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vigilant2
07-29-09, 10:48
I picked up my first glock (Glock 19 3rd gen w/night sights) a couple weeks ago. Got the N.Y. #1 trigger and 3.5 lb connector installed right there at the gun show by a "Glocksmith". I picked up a holster, etc., and one box (50rnds)of Winchester
Ranger 127gr+P+.
My question is, with the threads I've been seeing lately about the larger cal.
glocks exploding would I be better off sticking with a standard pressure load
like a Federal 147gr HST?

markm
07-29-09, 11:02
Not a problem with the 9mm. There's a guy here who was provided +p ammo by his dept. He fired thousands and thousands of rounds of 9mm +p without any issues.

9mm is such a cream puff load anyway.... it's not an issue. :cool:

geminidglocker
07-29-09, 11:10
My 26 has digested over 1000rds. of +P without a hiccup. I prefer to run the cheaper stuff for training but I train regularly with Speer short barrel pistol, my carry load, quite frequently aswell. I too beleive that the 9mm Glocks are the way to go, as they are definitely up to the task.

ToddG
07-29-09, 11:34
The G19/RA9TA combination has been proven extensively. Don't worry about it.

vigilant2
07-29-09, 18:17
Thanks guys!!!

CoryCop25
07-29-09, 18:47
The exploding Glocks in question are Gen 2 model 23s (.40S&W 165 gr.) that were poorly taken care of by the department's armorer (or not at all) and they had guide rod springs with more than 5000 rounds through them. The excessive pressure and poor up-keep sheered the barrel lugs off. My G-19 LOVES +p rounds.

gunnut284
07-29-09, 20:57
I've shot plenty of that ammo in my 19 and 26 with no issues.

tpd223
07-31-09, 01:32
We've issued the 124gr +P Gold Dot for many years at my job, never had an issue with either our S&W 3rd gen guns or our current Glocks.

Detmongo
07-31-09, 08:26
i've shot well over 80,000 rds. of 124 gr +p gold dot thru my g.19 ( the left rear rail broke off at 110,100 rds.). frame has been replaced by glock i have about 7000 thru the new frame w/about half that being +p ammo. as a side note i have 10,000 rds of +p thru mt g26 w/no issues at all.

ToddG
07-31-09, 09:39
Also, keep in mind that there is really nothing "special" about +p ammo. It is essentially the standard modern pressure spec. The SAAMI 9mm Luger limit exists because ammo manufacturers have no way of knowing whether you intend to put their ammo in your 2008 Glock or your 1908 WWI trophy.

Any modern 9mm handgun, with the exception of a few specialty pistols that really push the envelope on size, should handle 9x19mm +p without a hiccup.

loupav
07-31-09, 09:40
Good to know.

sjc3081
07-31-09, 10:32
NYPD has fired millions of rounds of Speer GD 124 P+. from their G19's

Race
07-31-09, 22:59
Are several thousand +P+ 9mm rounds okay for the Glocks? Win 127gr and Federal 115gr (because it's on hand)?

tpd223
08-01-09, 03:23
Yes.

The +P and +P+ loads will put more wear and tear on the gun, but having seen first hand G17s that have over one hundred thousand rounds through them, I wouldn't worry about it.
The +P and +P+ 9mm ammo is certainly much less abusive to these guns than the .40 and .357 rounds are to the same platform.

citizensoldier16
08-01-09, 15:57
NYPD has fired millions of rounds of Speer GD 124 P+. from their G19's

And probably failed to hit much of anything! :D Sorry....couldn't resist. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

geminidglocker
08-01-09, 16:21
Incase your still curious, I got paid yesterday and ran another 120rds. of Speer 124gr.+p Short Barrel pistol thru my 26. Still flawless and I still have total confidence in the 9mm system.I did some bullshit drills just messin' around, manuever and doubles on multiple stationary targets. Once I warmed up to the first mag, everything fell into place and I got some actual technique training done. Then, I went and shot my 10-22, to work on my trigger control.

awm14hp
08-01-09, 20:05
you wont have any issue with a +p load but I carry a
Ranger T and HST 147 load anyway but thats me.

RyanB
08-02-09, 03:35
I know a guy who shoots subgun ammo through a 34. Still works after low five digit round count.

Cincinnatus
11-13-09, 12:44
Here's two dumb questions about the G 19. Will it take G 17 mags? If not, what is the mag capacity on a G 19? :D
I am considering getting one or the other and prefer as many rounds in the weapon as I can, not really for a tactical reason, but mostly its my way of giving the finger to the gun-banning ten-round only burecrats.

bigfelipe
11-13-09, 12:51
Here's two dumb questions about the G 19. Will it take G 17 mags? If not, what is the mag capacity on a G 19? :D
I am considering getting one or the other and prefer as many rounds in the weapon as I can, not really for a tactical reason, but mostly its my way of giving the finger to the gun-banning ten-round only burecrats.

The capacity for the G19 is 15rds. it will take any 9mm Glock mag though. The 17rd G17 mags or the 33rd G18 mags..

bigfelipe
11-13-09, 13:04
+P is overrated. Any gun that can't handle +P is not likely safe to shoot with normal loads for very long. The pressure increase is minimal on +P loads. All it means is that it exceeds SAAMI standard pressure figures. It's rarely more than 8-10%. +P+ isn't even standardized and can go up to 30% or more, but are more likely to be well under 20%. Even they are still far under the pressure requirements of proof test cartridges. Any quality modern firearm should be unaffected by +P (and +P+ in most cases)...

Kentucky Cop
11-13-09, 13:49
And probably failed to hit much of anything! :D Sorry....couldn't resist. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Wow!;)
Ky Cop

tpd223
11-13-09, 15:09
The capacity for the G19 is 15rds. it will take any 9mm Glock mag though. The 17rd G17 mags or the 33rd G18 mags..

Except the G26 mags, which are too short.

I find that any Glock 9mm will work fine with and of the longer mags.

The G26 sure looks funny with the 33 round mag in it though.

DacoRoman
11-13-09, 15:46
In light of some reports of G17 mags causing jams in G19's/26's, I used G17 mags exclusively in my G19 during my last pistol course, and had absolutely no problems.

Cincinnatus
11-13-09, 15:52
Thanks for the info. Interchangeability is good. I would like to use a 17 as my primary and carry a 19 as my backup or "New York reload." :D

bigfelipe
11-13-09, 16:55
Except the G26 mags, which are too short.

I find that any Glock 9mm will work fine with and of the longer mags.

The G26 sure looks funny with the 33 round mag in it though.

You are correct, sir! I should have said any longer 9mm Glock mags.



SoVT, I use 17 and 18 mags all the time in my 19. Never had an issue with them. I use 22 mags w/sleeves in my 23 almost exclusively with no issues either...

hopeitsfast
11-13-09, 17:12
i've shot well over 80,000 rds. of 124 gr +p gold dot thru my g.19 ( the left rear rail broke off at 110,100 rds.). Those numbers are quite impressive. I hope my G19 lives up to those figures.

mattjmcd
11-13-09, 17:23
Also, keep in mind that there is really nothing "special" about +p ammo. It is essentially the standard modern pressure spec. The SAAMI 9mm Luger limit exists because ammo manufacturers have no way of knowing whether you intend to put their ammo in your 2008 Glock or your 1908 WWI trophy.

Any modern 9mm handgun, with the exception of a few specialty pistols that really push the envelope on size, should handle 9x19mm +p without a hiccup.


It's good to be reminded of this from time to time.

Anjin-san
11-14-09, 14:46
My issued duty round is Winchester's RA9TA (127gr +P+). I've run about 1000 rounds through my personally owned G19 without any issues. However, if I intentionally limp wrist the gun while firing the second to last round in the mag the last round slips out from under the mag feed lips allowing the follower to engage the slide catch and locking the slide open with what is now an empty mag. This has happened with each of my 6 current production mags. It seems that when I intentionally limp wrist the gun it allows the frame and mag to move backwards during the more stout recoil of the RA9TA round. The last round at the top of the mag doesn't have enough spring tension to keep it in place. The inertia and weight of the round combined with the backwards motion of the frame and mag causes the round to slip out of the mag. However, if I maintain a proper firm hold of the gun the frame and mag don't move backwards, the last round doesn't slip out of the mag and instead feeds fine.