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decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 14:41
I have been getting back into the habit of running a few miles 3 or more times a week in my neighborhood. While I honestly don't expect trouble, I have been almost bitten by a number of dogs, and frankly would be wide open to attack by a person after running 3 or 4 miles. The area I live in is very nice and safe, but surrounding areras are not so nice and safe and I am afraid of "spill over". So I am looking for something to carry while jogging.

I am looking into a 2 pronged approach here, number one is a suitable firearm to carry, number two is a suitable method to carry said firearm.

First let me say this. I have an M&P9 Compact. I will not be carrying anything like this on a run. It's too heavy and too bulky to be carried on my person while running. I need something that weighs less than half as much, and probably cuts the dimensions in half as well. I am looking for something inexpensive and very corrosion proof. I sweat like crazy while running and I fully expect this thing to get soaked in sweat. Also there must be zero doubt it will survive a fall to concrete without an AD. A few things I have considered is a NAA mini-revolver in .22 Magnum, or perhaps a cheapo Keltec in .32 or something of the like. I am fully open to suggestions, but please understand my criteria. I am not about to strap on my 1911 for a 5 or 6 mile run.

As far as a carry method goes, this is the area I am even more shaky on. I have read about the belly band, and I just don't see it working for me. It seems like it would constrict my breathing too much and soak up sweat like a sponge. Likewise I have read about necklace holsters, but the idea of the weapon bouncing around on the holster, flagging me non-stop in the precess doesn't sound very appealing either. I don't know about wearing a fanny pack...I think they're pretty damn gay...but it might be my best option.

Anyway I look forward to some ideas and open discussion.

John_Wayne777
07-30-09, 14:53
A Ruger LCP, while not the greatest defensive option in the world, is super light and concealable. I have one in my pocket when I'm on the treadmill at the gym.

A step up in power would be the S&W J frames. Carried in an Eagle runner's pack, they work pretty well, IMO.

The concern with the belly band isn't so much constriction of breathing or even soaking up too much sweat...it's that when you are doing something like running with say a loaded S&W 442 in one the gun bounces. It's not bad if you're lifting weights, but if you're running it's not terribly secure, at least not when it's situated behind the hip. Crossdraw-style carry with a bellyband works better from a security standpoint, but it's more difficult to run that way. With the bellyband I was worried that the velcro would come loose, but it held very securely. I used the Galco version of the belly band.

When I go to the gym my usual practice is to lock up my gym bag in the locker. I go out on the floor and lift weights and hit the treadmill with the LCP and a spare mag in my track pants. When my workout is done I retrieve my gym bag and head into the bathroom (which in my gym is separated from the locker room with a door), get in one of the stalls, and then put the bellyband on with either my M&P compact or my Glock 19.

ToddG
07-30-09, 15:14
I've gone jogging multiple times with my LCP in a pocket holster. You can feel it, but it won't impact your running.

Haven't tried it yet, but I bet you could run with SmartCarry and barely notice ...

MisterWilson
07-30-09, 15:34
Sounds like you need a mousegun.

KelTec P3AT (What the LCP was "inspired" from) with a clip draw sits lightly and securely no matter what you're wearing.

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 15:38
Haven't tried it yet, but I bet you could run with SmartCarry and barely notice ...

I would think it would be banging into your junk the whole time. :confused:

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 15:42
A Ruger LCP, while not the greatest defensive option in the world, is super light and concealable. I have one in my pocket when I'm on the treadmill at the gym.

This and the Keltec (as MR Wilson pointed out) is starting to sound like a recurring theme...


The concern with the belly band isn't so much constriction of breathing or even soaking up too much sweat...it's that when you are doing something like running with say a loaded S&W 442 in one the gun bounces. It's not bad if you're lifting weights, but if you're running it's not terribly secure, at least not when it's situated behind the hip. Crossdraw-style carry with a bellyband works better from a security standpoint, but it's more difficult to run that way. With the bellyband I was worried that the velcro would come loose, but it held very securely. I used the Galco version of the belly band.

Hadn't thought about that aspect of it, but now that you mention it that seems like a very valid concern.

MisterWilson
07-30-09, 15:52
Negative on whacking the junk, I wear mine at 4:00 and it's comfortable & snug. I'm usually just dinking around going for a walk or a bike ride but if sweat's an issue, just wipe it down and look for rust occasionally.

ballistic
07-30-09, 15:57
S&W 442PD in an Eagle Runner's pack with a speed strip would be the best option for power/weight ratio. You might also want to check out the Civilian Lab (http://www.civilianlab.com/) Escape RG chest harness as a discrete carry option to carry something a little smaller like the Keltec. It also gives you outside pockets for easy access to OC spray and/or 16" airweight ASP baton and a cell phone

pleaforwar
07-30-09, 15:58
Why not conceal your S&W in a Camelback? Some come with pockets and others are light, but most have enough room to conceal a handgun.

markm
07-30-09, 15:58
I don't find the junk guns to be acceptable under any circumstances... LCPs, P3ATs, etc.

I'm in your same boat... decent area... and the probablility of a pitbull attack is about equal to that of a human attack.

Trying to clear a malf on a trash pistol while a pit is mauling you (and the first two rounds bounced off his head :rolleyes:) is not working for me.

IMO, you'd be better off with a good knife.

I run at night and open carry with a conventional strong side holster (i can pull my shirt over the gun if I see a looney lib and uncover it after I pass), or in the winter I just pull a sweat shirt over the same gun/holster.

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 16:22
I'm in your same boat... decent area... and the probablility of a pitbull attack is about equal to that of a human attack.

Trying to clear a malf on a trash pistol while a pit is mauling you (and the first two rounds bounced off his head :rolleyes:) is not working for me.


You make a good point. Usually it is a large breed such as a pitbull that is the primary threat. The idea of clearing a malfunction while getting mauled, after running 4 miles, is not a pleasant one.

OC is not allowed in Denver county so that's a no go, but it would be a great option if allowed.

The Camelbak wouldn't be a terrible option, but getting at the weapon would be a trick if I needed it in a pinch, and honestly I think if I had a 120 pound pitbull charging me down hell bent on making me a chew toy I won't have any time to be fumbling around with trying to draw from a backpack.

MisterWilson
07-30-09, 16:24
Don't confuse MarkM's opinions as being valid.

JonInWA
07-30-09, 16:38
I use several of The Wilderness' excellent Safe Packer carriers for hiking/jogging/bicycling. See www.thewilderness.com. Depending on the activity, its level, and its duration, I'll use a Safepacker in conjunction with a Packer Backer or with the Runners Pack (which has water bottle pockets incorporated). Currently, I'll usually carry my Glock G19-for a slightly smaller gun, a G26 with Pierce Grip magazine extension could work well while allowing you to remain with a 9mm platform.

Best, Jon

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 16:38
Don't confuse MarkM's opinions as being valid.

LOL, Nice post 666 Mr. W.

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 16:43
I use several of The Wilderness' excellent Safe Packer carriers for hiking/jogging/bicycling. See www.thewilderness.com. Depending on the activity, its level, and its duration, I'll use a Safepacker in conjunction with a Packer Backer or with the Runners Back (which has water bottle pockets incorporated). Currently, I'll usually carry my Glock G19-for a slightly smaller gun, a G26 with Pierce Grip magazine extension could work well while allowing you to remain with a 9mm platform.

Best, Jon

The Runner's Pack (http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?cPath=51&products_id=64&osCsid=jrejtm376gk90rjscgsha26ns5) looks interesting, and would be plenty covert, the issue is I just don't log 10 miles at a pop and I think something like this would be out of place on a 5 mile run. It is a very interesting option, especially for hiking where OC is not allowed.

mattpittinger
07-30-09, 16:56
Get you an LCP, and a good pocket holster. Mine lives in my gym shorts.

JonInWA
07-30-09, 17:04
For less strenuous hiking/bicycling/walking, I usually just use the Safepacker with the Packer Backer, which is quite effective, comfortable, and less obtrusive/bulky (compared to the Safepacker combined with the Runners Back).

Best, Jon

four
07-30-09, 17:45
I use several of The Wilderness' excellent Safe Packer carriers for hiking/jogging/bicycling. See www.thewilderness.com. Depending on the activity, its level, and its duration, I'll use a Safepacker in conjunction with a Packer Backer or with the Runners Pack (which has water bottle pockets incorporated).

seriously, this is the best answer for carrying a fullsized pistol with you. I have a couple that go fishing, hiking, canoeing, biking, running, blah blah blah... if it's secured right, you never notice and it doesn't flop around.

a few years ago Camelbak had some bags with concealment compartments built in. I was interested in them but never actually found anyone that carried one. which probably explains why they dont' make them anymore.

suck it up and carry what you normally carry, you'll stop noticing the weight pretty quickly.

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 17:48
suck it up and carry what you normally carry, you'll stop noticing the weight pretty quickly.

Um no.

JonInWA
07-30-09, 17:52
Another thing that I like about the Packer Backer/Runners Back is that the belt strap is broad enough to conveniently clip on my first line of anti-dog defense, a canister of red pepper spray.

Best, Jon

dbrowne1
07-30-09, 18:04
Haven't tried it yet, but I bet you could run with SmartCarry and barely notice ...

I do it all the time with a 642 (plus a small cellphone in the smaller pocket) and it works very well. It works even better if you wear some spandex/bike shorts underneath and tuck the lower part of the Smartcarry into them so it can't flop around.

Unless you're hung like a pornstar I doubt it will be a problem for your junk. :D

mattpittinger
07-30-09, 18:12
Um no.

Hey bud I am gonna give you a +1 on that. If you try to carry what you normally do on a five mile run, your gonna get fed up quick. I am not saying that it is not doable, but that doesn't mean it's easy. It is a whole lot better for you to have a smaller gun with you, than a bigger gun at home. Get you something that you can throw in your pocket that is light and small. LCP, Kel-Tec 380, or if you can make it work get you a 6/442 Smith. I carried a 442 up until I got the LCP. There is not one here that can argue that a 38+p isn't an effective round, or that a wheel gun isn't reliable. Just remember try try the string on your gym shorts, you don't want to lose your pant while your running from that pit bull.

Naxet1959
07-30-09, 18:22
http://www.amphipod.com/306/308.JPG

I run with an Amphipod, it carries water and has handy storage pockets that would work well. Normally I wear mine for runs over 8 miles, with gels and the cell phone. But if I was carrying, a 5 miler would be ok. People have NO idea how far you'll be running. You might even be able to modify the water bottle storage area to hide your chosen weapon.

They do bounce when full of water, I snug mine up to minimize. Also, you could see if Spibelt.. they hold a ton of things but the outline might need somework. http://www.spibelt.com/spibelt.php

decodeddiesel
07-30-09, 18:26
Unless you're hung like a pornstar I doubt it will be a problem for your junk. :D

Yeah I know ;)

pleaforwar
07-30-09, 18:27
The Camelbak wouldn't be a terrible option, but getting at the weapon would be a trick if I needed it in a pinch, and honestly I think if I had a 120 pound pitbull charging me down hell bent on making me a chew toy I won't have any time to be fumbling around with trying to draw from a backpack.

Yea, it wouldn't be the easiest to retrieve, but after practicing drawing your pistol you should be able to improve your timing. This option also allows for you to keep your current gun rather than going to Ruger/Keltec. I think the best point of this option though is where the gun would be located. On the upper back it shouldn't be a nuisance, probably hardly noticeable.

1911pro
07-30-09, 18:41
I use a Camelbak also with a Kahr Pm9 in it ; works well for jogging and biking.

wake.joe
07-30-09, 19:24
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skyugo
07-30-09, 23:33
i carry my glock 19 in a KaBar TDI fanny pack for mountain biking. it's a good solid pack. could probably adapt that for running too. no one would expect a gun in a fanny pack generally... runners carry em all the time.

i carry the pack behind my back, could probably carry it forward for running as well. it's pretty quick to get to either way. also you can have your hand on the gun without breaking concealment. :cool:

tpd223
07-31-09, 02:21
I've been using a Galco fanny pack for many years to carry one sort of 9mm pistol or another while running.
I currently carry a G19 and an extra magazine in this pack, along with my ID and cell phone. Bounces a bit when sprinting, but doesn't throw me off or anything.

decodeddiesel
07-31-09, 10:58
I just can't do a fanny pack.

I hate to say it, but I will, a lot of gay men in my area wear black leather fanny packs. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is how it is. Sorry but I'm just not going there.

RemMan700
07-31-09, 11:20
They make fanny packs that are made of nylon that are more slim in design and dont poof out so much. You could always just pull your t-shirt over it and nobody would ever know you had one on. Otherwise I think the Camelback suggestion is good as it serves two purposes. My gun vote goes for a LCP or your M&P 9.

maximus83
07-31-09, 11:24
Deco, I carry when I run, and I've been using the SpecGear Truss holster. It's designed for exactly this kind of active usage. It even allows you to carry a few other items as well. It's pretty comfortable and you can probably even carry that compact M&P in this rig, if you want to.

http://www.specgear.com/Truss.html

tpd223
07-31-09, 13:30
I have two, both nylon, one in black and one in Navy blue from back when they still made them in colors.

I am, to steal a line from the movie 'Rustler's Rhapsody', "A confident heterosexual".

So, whatever. The fanny pack works, and it works well, and has for me for many years of rough use.
I often hear folks discount the carry of a fanny pack as a "shoot me first bag" thinking it marks tham as being armed. Sounds as though you have a certain level of area camoflage going for you if a fanny pack is carried.

JUst sayin.

Zhurdan
07-31-09, 13:56
Deco, I carry when I run, and I've been using the SpecGear Truss holster. It's designed for exactly this kind of active usage. It even allows you to carry a few other items as well. It's pretty comfortable and you can probably even carry that compact M&P in this rig, if you want to.

http://www.specgear.com/Truss.html

I kinda like that. Of course I'll have to go renew my membership to Murdocks Country Boy store so that I can replace my waredrobe with shirts with snaps instead of buttons. :D

I wonder how difficult it is to get at a gun with a button up shirt, or T-shirt over them. (can't watch all the vids at work, they'll bring IT down on me). Any insight?

RemMan700
07-31-09, 14:05
I kinda like that. Of course I'll have to go renew my membership to Murdocks Country Boy store so that I can replace my waredrobe with shirts with snaps instead of buttons. :D

I wonder how difficult it is to get at a gun with a button up shirt, or T-shirt over them. (can't watch all the vids at work, they'll bring IT down on me). Any insight?

You just have to pull a Hulk Hogan and rip your shirt off. :D

ra2bach
07-31-09, 14:31
I've gone jogging multiple times with my LCP in a pocket holster. You can feel it, but it won't impact your running.

Haven't tried it yet, but I bet you could run with SmartCarry and barely notice ...
SmartCarry, is that the one down the front of your pants?

it would have to be pretty secure for me to try. I don't think I'd want any hard objects bouncing around down there in the vicinity of Junior and the Allstars...

SkiDevil
07-31-09, 15:04
IMO, you'd be better off with a good knife.

Yes, I would have to agree with Markm on carrying a knife.

I run regularly and also live in a relatively crime-free area. I tried carrying a few different pistols while running (Sig 220/226 Glock 17/19) with a strong-side holster/ gunbag (fanny pack)and decided that it was a no go, for me. I did not like the added weight/ off-balance caused by the gun and decided like yourself that a greater danger was the possibility of a dog attack.

In the end, I decided to carry a Benchmade 4" Belt clip Knife (attached to my inseam of shorts) and a canister of OC Spray (clipped onto opposite side). For evenings, I carry a Surefire 6P with a lanyard for the unlit areas that I pass through.

That said, If you jog at a slower pace or walk the majority of the time you could problaby carry a pistol with no problems. But, I myself RUN 4-5 miles and found the knife w/ OC spray a better option.

I can't believe that OC spray is prohibited in Denver. What does the PD use, mace?

Good Luck,
SkiDevil

P.S. Perhaps, another option instead of spray would be one of the tazers? They market a personal/ civilian model for around $350. They work well on people, should be good enough for dogs.

decodeddiesel
07-31-09, 16:14
Yes, I would have to agree with Markm on carrying a knife.

I run regularly and also live in a relatively crime-free area. I tried carrying a few different pistols while running (Sig 220/226 Glock 17/19) with a strong-side holster/ gunbag (fanny pack)and decided that it was a no go, for me. I did not like the added weight/ off-balance caused by the gun and decided like yourself that a greater danger was the possibility of a dog attack.

In the end, I decided to carry a Benchmade 4" Belt clip Knife (attached to my inseam of shorts) and a canister of OC Spray (clipped onto opposite side). For evenings, I carry a Surefire 6P with a lanyard for the unlit areas that I pass through.

That said, If you jog at a slower pace or walk the majority of the time you could problaby carry a pistol with no problems. But, I myself RUN 4-5 miles and found the knife w/ OC spray a better option.

I can't believe that OC spray is prohibited in Denver. What does the PD use, mace?

Good Luck,
SkiDevil

P.S. Perhaps, another option instead of spray would be one of the tazers? They market a personal/ civilian model for around $350. They work well on people, should be good enough for dogs.

No OC spray is fine, I meant Open Carry is not authorized. I run pretty fast, and try not to walk at all except for the last 1/4 mile while I cool down. To give you an idea of the intensity of my running, last night I timed myself on a 5k (3.1 miles) and ran it in 22:14. Slow by old X-country standards, but that was when I was 14 years younger and weighted 60 pound less. :D Normally I can sustain an 8 minute per mile (or so) pace when running 5 miles.

I already carry some pepper spray and my Emerson. But honestly I have had little or no training in the use of a knife defensively so I am hesitant to carry one for that purpose.

ROCKET20_GINSU
07-31-09, 18:33
When I run at night I pack a S&W 642 w/ crimson trace laser in one of these 5.11 shirts. It works really well even when doing fartleks and intervals. The gun will come out very sweaty but wipe it and the ammo down afterwards, reapply a little lube, and I've had no problems w/ rust. I usually carry a speed strip or two in the pocket on the other side and run with a surefire in my hand.

http://productwizard.com/5-11tacticalmensholstershirt.html

Its not the smoothest draw, and it is cross draw...sort of, but it works for my uses,t its a good compromise in my opinion. I like the safepacker but its too bulky for serious running in my opinion. oh an FYI I've found the 5.11 shirts to run a little small, just my opinion so try to try before you buy.

GU

Mr.Goodtimes
07-31-09, 22:17
I worry a little sometimes about being unarmed when i go running in the middle of the night (around midnight to 1 am. i dont know why i do this, sometimes i just get the urge). I'm 20 so i cant CC yet, so i dont. Even if i could though, i always run without a shirt on because its so damn hot here. The only time i would be able to really conceal carry is when i go hiking and have my back pack.

I've run up on some shady characters too when running at night, nobody has messed with me.. yet anyway.

Mr.Goodtimes
07-31-09, 22:23
No OC spray is fine, I meant Open Carry is not authorized. I run pretty fast, and try not to walk at all except for the last 1/4 mile while I cool down. To give you an idea of the intensity of my running, last night I timed myself on a 5k (3.1 miles) and ran it in 22:14. Slow by old X-country standards, but that was when I was 14 years younger and weighted 60 pound less. :D Normally I can sustain an 8 minute per mile (or so) pace when running 5 miles.

I already carry some pepper spray and my Emerson. But honestly I have had little or no training in the use of a knife defensively so I am hesitant to carry one for that purpose.

nice run diesel! me and a buddy just did a 3 miler yesterday. we managed just under 20min (19:51) running it at 3:00 in the afternoon, on pavement, with no wind, in 95 degree florida heat, the humidity was about 300%, with the air turning into water. It was absolute, pure, hell. I thought i was gonna lose my guts on the last leg. It felt good afterwords though. Our goal is to get out times down to 16 min or so.

Im going to try running that same run well rested either at night or very early in the morning when its cool out and see how much that helps.

SkiDevil
08-01-09, 05:25
No OC spray is fine, I meant Open Carry is not authorized. I run pretty fast, and try not to walk at all except for the last 1/4 mile while I cool down. To give you an idea of the intensity of my running, last night I timed myself on a 5k (3.1 miles) and ran it in 22:14. Slow by old X-country standards, but that was when I was 14 years younger and weighted 60 pound less. :D Normally I can sustain an 8 minute per mile (or so) pace when running 5 miles.

I already carry some pepper spray and my Emerson. But honestly I have had little or no training in the use of a knife defensively so I am hesitant to carry one for that purpose.

It sounds like you are in pretty good shape. The percentage of the population that can run an 8 minute mile is pretty small. When I went through the Sheriff's Academy I used to be able to run an 8 minute mile or better. But that was a while ago, and coincidently about 60 pounds for me as well. For my size, I can still move pretty quick as long as I am not chasing a marathon runner or sprinter.

Anyhow, I digress. It sounds like you are fairly well equipped with the Emerson and the spray. I upgraded my spray to the Kimber Guardian (or whatever the name is), because it shoots a pretty concentrated stream with a percusion system out to 13 feet. SWAT magazine did a review on it a year or two ago. It should work on dogs.

I have sprayed several dogs with OC spray and it works the majority of the time. One rather large pitbull I sprayed at about 6-7 feet just stopped and kind of froze-up. After a couple of minutes it walked away in the other direction.

As for the knife, if you are able to remove the knife from your person and open it one-handed. I would say you would be able to protect yourself with it. If you must use a knife on a dog the most vunerable areas on the animal are the throat area and a stab or puncture into the chest cavity area. Cutting its throat or stabbing it in the chest cavity should prove effective. I have not stabbed a dog, but have shot several. I would prefer to spray a dog, rather than shoot one.

Lastly, of all the guns I tried to run with the Glock 19/23 were the most managable for me. Maybe in a gun bag (fanny pack) this may work for you. Try it out. I would definitely not carry any revolver or pistol chambered for anything less than 9mm or 38 Special. My reasoning, I shot a large pitbull with a .40 SW (Federal Hydra-Shok 165gr) and it took three shots to put it down. Two to the chest and one to the head. A .40 SW is by far more powerful than a .380 or a .22, so if it was marginal I wouldn't even consider any smaller calibers.

Good Luck and stay safe,
SkiDevil

P.S. One of my friends work in the city I reside in and recounted a dog attack incident. It seems a guy was walking down the street minding his own business when he was attacked by a large dog. He was being mauled by the dog when an off-duty police officer drove by. He stopped and shot the dog. If the police officer wasn't driving by at the right time, the pedestrian probably would have been killed. Many people think that all dogs are furry, cuddly, and cute (some are). But the fact of the matter is that dogs kill more people than bears do. An untrained and/ or agressive dog is just as potentially dangerous as a violent/ armed criminal.

tpd223
08-01-09, 05:56
I know a guy who runs with the small girly sized weights, the little barbell looking 3 or 5 pounders, I forget exactly, but at any rate you can knock the crap out of somebody with one of those.

If a pistol is a no-go then OC and a large folder would be what I would carry.

Personally, I meet more people who are dangerous than dogs, but then I get to meet a metric butt-load of not nice people professionally so my view may be skewed.

TacDoc
08-01-09, 09:13
I trail run from 3 to 5 miles every other day packing my Glock 26 in my Smart Carry Holster. Ive been using this holster for outdoor training for about 3 years ago with great results.

If I run, I carry. No exeptions. In fact, if I put a step out of my house, I carry.

Also I do some mountain bike from time to time (nothing long, just 1-1.5 hrs) and carry my G26 in the Smart Carry as well.

100% concealable and no bouncing at all. Give the Smart Carry a try and you will remember this post.

Also I got enough extra space for house key and Emerson Commander.

jnc36rcpd
08-01-09, 20:24
Anyone tried either the Eagle Industries Biafran Mile Run Pack or the Survival Sheath Off-Duty Chest Raider for jogging?

N.Franklin
08-01-09, 23:03
Ive been using the bianchi velcro trouser belt that keeps my duty belt in place, cinched tight around my waist with Glock 19 in raven concealment holster. Short route is 2 miles, long route is 6; no issues with either in regards to rubbing or chafing.

maximus83
08-02-09, 10:56
I kinda like that. Of course I'll have to go renew my membership to Murdocks Country Boy store so that I can replace my waredrobe with shirts with snaps instead of buttons. :D

I wonder how difficult it is to get at a gun with a button up shirt, or T-shirt over them. (can't watch all the vids at work, they'll bring IT down on me). Any insight?

I usually don't wear shirts with snaps or buttons while jogging. Just a loose T-shirt. It's not hard to pull up the shirt and access the pistol. Obviously a bit slower than a traditional IWB, but certainly no slower to access than say, my Smart Carry.

decodeddiesel
08-02-09, 11:52
nice run diesel! me and a buddy just did a 3 miler yesterday. we managed just under 20min (19:51) running it at 3:00 in the afternoon, on pavement, with no wind, in 95 degree florida heat, the humidity was about 300%, with the air turning into water. It was absolute, pure, hell. I thought i was gonna lose my guts on the last leg. It felt good afterwords though. Our goal is to get out times down to 16 min or so.

Im going to try running that same run well rested either at night or very early in the morning when its cool out and see how much that helps.

OT, but...I hear ya on the humidity. I was stationed at Ft. Campbell for many years so I am no stranger to that. It does suck, especially on the "cool down" At least you're at sea level though, try doing it a mile up :D. My fastest time my senior year in High School X-Country was a 16:57. That was in the state finals. When I went to basic a few months later I ran the 2 mile APFT test in 10:22, but barely passed the push-ups LOL. I was a scrawny little punk ass kid back then.

Back to the carry situation. I think I am going to put a Smartcarry on order. I would like to have one for not only this situation, but also for instances (like concerts) where they pat down your pockets. It's still legal for me to carry in one of those, but the cursory search is still there (for drugs and alcohol mainly).

BAC
08-02-09, 12:30
Hm, I need a smaller 'date' gun for exercise purposes. A couple pounds of steel, while preferable, probably doesn't feel well jogging/running any significant distance. Still, I doubt I'll move away from IWB carry to something like Smart Carry; a little Bersa 380 feels like it's not even there, so something about as light might do well for this purpose.


-B

Combat_Diver
08-03-09, 10:51
I had to make the same decision back in the mid 80s. Bought a used chromed Davis derringer in .25 ACP. Not much out there at the time. Ran with it only a few times then switched to a Gerber Guardian fixed dagger. Carried a knife when I also when running in the Alps in Germany because firearms are vobeton there. and came real close one time when charge by a very large dog. He stopped just short of the line of debarkcation.

During the 90s carried my issue Beretta while running in Haiti (our team house was out in the middle of nowhere). It bounced in my fanny pack but 16 rds of 9mm with another spare mag and knife. Same thing in all the years of running in Iraq. Full size 9mm in fanny pack (also had a .45 M1911A1 but when your winded I want more bullets). Different high threat enviroment

Never carried OC spray and still carry a Benchmade auto opener running here in Afghanistan (unarmed contractor now). Couple of points to consider, if your carrying any weight make sure your shorts at least have a draw string to secure your shorts up. If only carrying a knife be in the mind set your going to get chewed on. Also if carrying CCW carry your ID/permit with you.

CD

dookie1481
08-03-09, 13:54
I had to make the same decision back in the mid 80s. Bought a used chromed Davis derringer in .25 ACP. Not much out there at the time. Ran with it only a few times then switched to a Gerber Guardian fixed dagger. Carried a knife when I also when running in the Alps in Germany because firearms are vobeton there. and came real close one time when charge by a very large dog. He stopped just short of the line of debarkcation.

During the 90s carried my issue Beretta while running in Haiti (our team house was out in the middle of nowhere). It bounced in my fanny pack but 16 rds of 9mm with another spare mag and knife. Same thing in all the years of running in Iraq. Full size 9mm in fanny pack (also had a .45 M1911A1 but when your winded I want more bullets). Different high threat enviroment

Never carried OC spray and still carry a Benchmade auto opener running here in Afghanistan (unarmed contractor now). Couple of points to consider, if your carrying any weight make sure your shorts at least have a draw string to secure your shorts up. If only carrying a knife be in the mind set your going to get chewed on. Also if carrying CCW carry your ID/permit with you.

CD

:D

LMAO

GreyOps
08-03-09, 14:33
I've taken to carrying my Sig P-239 in .357 Sig, strong-side in a belly-band holster when running. Doesn't bounce around much and provides enough bang to take care of anything I might come across. I just make sure to give it a good wipe down after my run.

Alpha Sierra
08-03-09, 16:00
When I run my 637 goes into one of my shorts' pockets in a pocket leather holster. A can of OC and a cellphone go in the other pocket.

When I bike it goes in a black, nondescript fanny pack along with an extra speedloader, house keys, and cellphone.

CLHC
10-12-09, 05:42
Deco, I carry when I run, and I've been using the SpecGear Truss holster. It's designed for exactly this kind of active usage. It even allows you to carry a few other items as well. It's pretty comfortable and you can probably even carry that compact M&P in this rig, if you want to.

http://www.specgear.com/Truss.html
I too have been using this setup off-and-on for some time now. While it does work quite well for the circumstances I find myself in (yes been practicing the draw before using), the drawback to this particular "suspension system" is that it does give me rash on my ribs after a days use! :o Then again, that's just me.

Stay safe out there! :cool:

Greg Bell
10-12-09, 09:32
I jog 3 miles a night, 5 nights a week. The Kahr PM9 is perfect for this role. The gun has good sights (Novak's tritium) and allows me to carry 9mm.

halo2304
10-12-09, 18:40
The obvious answer: Put a treadmill next to the gunsafe! :p

ROCKET20_GINSU
10-12-09, 20:51
My smart carry chafes my thighs quite a bit...perhaps I'm wearing it wrong. I went for a 3.6 with it and it wasn't unbearable but it was certainly not comfortable. It didn't bounce too much but I noticed the rubbing alot.

I've been using my 5:11 holster shirt recently and it works well, though I bought the wrong size and its really tight.

I also have used my wilderness safe packer w/ the backer as a "fanny pack" but I'm not crazy about it either.

I'm thinking of giving survival sheath holsters a try:

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/index.htm

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/images/newchest.jpg

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/images/offdutyraider.jpg

either the off duty chest raider or the chest holster.

*I usually avg an 8 min mile as well and the 5.11 shirt holster is the only means of CCW and running that I've found that doesn't hurt my pace too much. It works pretty well for interval work too.

GU

1_click_off
10-12-09, 22:12
tighten the crap out of the retention screw and leave your shirt untucked.

http://www.fobusholster.com/products/RUGER_LCP_EVOLUTION_PADDLE_HOLSTER-4832-116.html

scottryan
10-12-09, 22:23
tag for later

Beat Trash
10-13-09, 09:59
My smart carry chafes my thighs quite a bit...perhaps I'm wearing it wrong. I went for a 3.6 with it and it wasn't unbearable but it was certainly not comfortable. It didn't bounce too much but I noticed the rubbing alot.

I've been using my 5:11 holster shirt recently and it works well, though I bought the wrong size and its really tight.

I also have used my wilderness safe packer w/ the backer as a "fanny pack" but I'm not crazy about it either.

I'm thinking of giving survival sheath holsters a try:

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/index.htm

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/images/newchest.jpg

http://survivalsheath.com/holsters/images/offdutyraider.jpg

either the off duty chest raider or the chest holster.

*I usually avg an 8 min mile as well and the 5.11 shirt holster is the only means of CCW and running that I've found that doesn't hurt my pace too much. It works pretty well for interval work too.

GU

I thought of going with the survivalsheath system when I was looking into this about a year ago. The only thing that stopped me is when I run in warmer weather, my T-shirt clings to my chest as I sweat. Even though my pec's are getting a tad bit larger through my workouts, I would be afraid this holster would print alot when I started to sweat and the shirt started clinging to my chest.

I normally run before going in to work, try to hit the road by 0430. While it's usually just me and the paper man making deliveries, I have had the occasional drunken party still going on.

I always carry a 4" cold steal folding knife, no matter the time of day I run, but it doesn't mean that I am happy with it.

I have used on occasion, an old Eagle fanny pack I bought 17 years ago, turned around to the small of my back. This can carry anything up to a Glock 19 size gun.

I own a Glock 26, S&W 642 and a Kahr PM9. I'm looking for a practical way to carry any one of the three. I own a belly band with a sewn in holster (can't remember the manufacture). It can carry a full size gun, but any gun heavier than a 642 bounces too much, to where I worry about the gun falling out.

To sum it up, I'm no help to this conversation as I also am still looking for a way to carry when I run also. I have appropriate guns, but need help thinking "outside the box" as how to carry.

Greg Bell, you mentioned carrying your PM9. May I ask how you are carrying yours when you run, especially in the summer?

John Hearne
10-13-09, 21:35
I wear "normal" six pocket shorts and a belt when I run. I carry a Kahr P9 Covert in a pocket holster on my strong side. I keep a spare magazine in my support side pocket and my ID in the left side. I carry a small cell phone clipped on to the belt. This has worked well for my runs and pace - about 10:00 miles.

rrpederson
10-16-09, 12:18
hmm, the only thing i may be able to suggest, is my method. im in the same boat as u, want to carry a pistol, while running. so the best thing i could think of was to exercise while wearing boots and utilities. it will hamper your stride a little, but when i was in the marine corps, our light runs were in boots and utility pants. which also means wearing a belt. with the belt, now u can carry concealed under a shirt. not the best idea, but it suits me perfectly. i run at night, and before sun rise, so i always carry my 1911, 2 mags, and a plastic 6p surefire light. may not be suitable for u, but its an idea.

Shaolin Giraffe
11-23-09, 02:52
Kind of obvious, but I saw this http://www.activeprogear.com/jogger_holster.html and this post came to mind....hope it helps

awm14hp
11-23-09, 08:31
I started with a P32 then LCP but felt it I then went with a large folder and a can of Fox Labs when I run at gym I have my bag out in area with me and my blaster is in there its funny a bunch of cops work out there and you can tell cause they all have duffle bags out on the floor. Also the one guy that works there part time most of the time I am there is a cop also and he is always packing there so its not the best but it works for me.

maximus83
11-23-09, 13:33
Agree that the LCP would be a nice CARRY option to use while running, due to size-weight.

It's a judgment call, but if (like me) you'd prefer a 9mm as your minimum cartridge, you might also consider a Kahr PM9 (see the other thread that Greg Bell has going about the PM9). The polymer version of the small Kahr only weighs 14oz, which is only 5 to 6oz more than the little LCP, and yet with the extended mag, the PM9 can carry 7+1 rounds of 9mm ammo. A pretty nice, lightweight package, and still very lethal, plus the Kahr is built to be more durable and long-lasting than the LCP. The Kahr has been more than adequate for me to use as a running/CCW package.

maximus83
11-23-09, 13:49
Kind of obvious, but I saw this http://www.activeprogear.com/jogger_holster.html and this post came to mind....hope it helps

I've always wondered about that holster myself.

Meanwhile, for running specifically, I found that a Smartcarry (www.smartcarry.com) works well. Also, I found the Specgear Truss holster, which works even better for me in the specific situation where running, and I have a skin-tight undershirt beneath the holster, and either a loose outer shirt, a sweatshirt, or rain gear on top of the holster (http://specgear.com/trusspics.html ).

El Cid
11-23-09, 16:59
Been using a Thunderwear holster for all my runs (unless I was on base) since 1997 or so. Up until 2006 I used this method with a Beretta Tomcat. In 2006 I acquired a G27 and started running with it. When I get my M&P 340 in the next few months, I'll consider using it in this role. I run armed for the same reason I go anywhere armed. I just try to keep in mind there won't be any reloading, no cell phone, etc.

William B.
11-23-09, 21:22
Why not conceal your S&W in a Camelback? Some come with pockets and others are light, but most have enough room to conceal a handgun.

That's a great idea. It won't speed up my draw time, but I am definitely going to try it.

YammyMonkey
11-24-09, 01:24
Haven't tried it yet, but I bet you could run with SmartCarry and barely notice ...

In fact, you can run (pavement or trail) with a full size M&P9 & a spare mag in a SmartCarry & barely notice- just make sure you have something between your skin & the elastic/holster seam or you'll chafe the hell out of the front of your hips. Buy it one size smaller than the SmartCarry people recommend- you'll get a better firing grip on the gun. I use a medium for the M&P.

No, the gun won't fall out, I've jumped over streams, on & off of boulder piles, etc. No, it won't bang your nuts, unless they're already uncomfortably large. Yes, you can access it you just have to practice. Yes, it will soak up sweat, but most of it won't make it to the gun because of the plastic layer between you & the gun.

ETA:
No OC in Denver? Oops.
But, pitbulls aren't allowed in Denver either so...

NulodPBall
06-24-13, 15:16
That's a great idea. It won't speed up my draw time, but I am definitely going to try it.

Just a thought: Whenever you tuck a gun somewhere like a camelback or your pocket you might want to try using one of those triggerguard-only holsters and secure the lanyard so when you pull the gun out, you pull the triggerguard off. I don't like to think about something bouncing around loose without the trigger covered/protected.

donlapalma
06-24-13, 16:02
Just a thought: Whenever you tuck a gun somewhere like a camelback or your pocket you might want to try using one of those triggerguard-only holsters and secure the lanyard so when you pull the gun out, you pull the triggerguard off. I don't like to think about something bouncing around loose without the trigger covered/protected.

Heads up on the necropost. You are replying to a post that is over 3.5 years old. Anyhow, welcome to the forum. Make sure you read the stickies and take them to heart if you plan on sticking around here.

NulodPBall
06-24-13, 17:19
Heads up on the necropost. You are replying to a post that is over 3.5 years old. Anyhow, welcome to the forum. Make sure you read the stickies and take them to heart if you plan on sticking around here.

Thanks for the welcome donlapalma.

I responded to the post, even though it was old because I found the subject of interest to me and thought that I could contribute positively to the subject matter.

I figure if the moderators want to close a thread, they will close a thread.

Question: I spent some time researching your warning in the stickies for this forum, in the General FAQ forum (checked Forum Rules and Posting area), The Mission Statement in the Site Question area and the "Why M4Carbine.net" in the same area and I could not find the reference to responding to old posts that you make.

I would like to comply with the forum rules.

Can you please list the path to the sticky you reference?

donlapalma
06-24-13, 17:54
Thanks for the welcome donlapalma.

Question: I spent some time researching your warning in the stickies for this forum, in the General FAQ forum (checked Forum Rules and Posting area), The Mission Statement in the Site Question area and the "Why M4Carbine.net" in the same area and I could not find the reference to responding to old posts that you make.

I would like to comply with the forum rules.

Can you please list the path to the sticky you reference?

Not sure there is anything specific about necroposting in the stickies. My comment was more of a general "to-do" to begin your assimilation to the forum culture. If you feel like you can contribute please post away. I've just seen people get railed for necroposts so just wanted to give a heads up. That's all.

THCDDM4
06-24-13, 18:45
Just picked up this a few weeks ago and it seems to fit the bill whilst working out outdoors.

http://twocannons.net/GearUp/#!/~/product/category=5587625&id=23588319

It holds my M&P 9c up to a full size 1911 quite tight and well with little bounce, and I can draw it pretty fast- although I need more practice to get proficient drawing with this set up.

I wear a shirt over it and it conceals quite well.

They also have a system built around shorts that I hear is great for running with as well- though I have no experience with it...

JHC
06-24-13, 19:08
In fact, you can run (pavement or trail) with a full size M&P9 & a spare mag in a SmartCarry & barely notice- just make sure you have something between your skin & the elastic/holster seam or you'll chafe the hell out of the front of your hips. Buy it one size smaller than the SmartCarry people recommend- you'll get a better firing grip on the gun. I use a medium for the M&P.

No, the gun won't fall out, I've jumped over streams, on & off of boulder piles, etc. No, it won't bang your nuts, unless they're already uncomfortably large. Yes, you can access it you just have to practice. Yes, it will soak up sweat, but most of it won't make it to the gun because of the plastic layer between you & the gun.

ETA:
No OC in Denver? Oops.
But, pitbulls aren't allowed in Denver either so...

That is quite amazing. I may cautiously try that.

Skintop911
06-24-13, 19:27
Thanks for the welcome donlapalma.

I responded to the post, even though it was old because I found the subject of interest to me and thought that I could contribute positively to the subject matter.

I figure if the moderators want to close a thread, they will close a thread.

Question: I spent some time researching your warning in the stickies for this forum, in the General FAQ forum (checked Forum Rules and Posting area), The Mission Statement in the Site Question area and the "Why M4Carbine.net" in the same area and I could not find the reference to responding to old posts that you make.

I would like to comply with the forum rules.

Can you please list the path to the sticky you reference?

I'll chime in here... Welcome to M4C, and thanks for reading the rules. I don't know that there's specific guidance for necroposting. However, I would look at what previous contributions have been made, the timeliness of your post, and how significant the info you post is to the thread, i.e. is it a new widget or technique for an old question, or is it existing methods and technology. If no one else has brought the thread back up, there's probably a reason for that.

Your post isn't off-topic, inappropriate, or otherwise a violation of the rules and will stand. It isn't novel or timely, but if we killed every post that wasn't... :D

With this now said, the next posts need to return to the topic of the thread.

NulodPBall
06-24-13, 20:33
Just picked up this a few weeks ago and it seems to fit the bill whilst working out outdoors.

http://twocannons.net/GearUp/#!/~/product/category=5587625&id=23588319

It holds my M&P 9c up to a full size 1911 quite tight and well with little bounce, and I can draw it pretty fast- although I need more practice to get proficient drawing with this set up.

I wear a shirt over it and it conceals quite well.

They also have a system built around shorts that I hear is great for running with as well- though I have no experience with it...

That is similar to what I tried on recently:

https://ridgeoutdoors.com/shop/packin-tee.html

the version I tried has a large Velcro patch on either side of your chest and you can get different accessories to attach there, including a cell phone/magazine holder.

The plus side is that the Velcro patch probably would protect your chest from any bouncing. The minus is that anything in that position would bug me when running.

It looks like there are three versions of their in the shorts holster (1 women, 2 men):
http://twocannons.net/GearUp/#!/~/category/id=5587625&offset=0&sort=normal

Oh, and no-one mentioned the trigger-guard only holster/sheath for storing your gun in a compartment not made for storing a gun. I consider that a safety issue...but then again that's just me. I ran across a guy who was a skip-tracer and he used the trigger-guard only sheath with lanyard to loop around his belt and tucked into his groin area. When he pulls, the lanyard detaches the sheath. I thought about mentioning that but I imagine it would be very uncomfortable while running.

Just sharing :)