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gunwriter
08-04-09, 19:40
Here's an article by Jim Tarr on SIG's new P238 .380 auto

New SIG P238 .380 (http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=584&Itemid=1)

basically looks like a Colt Mustang knock-off.....

What do you think, and would you feel comfortable carrying a pocket single-action cocked and locked?


SIG Gets Big Results By Going Small
Written by James Tarr
Friday, 31 July 2009

New from SIG Sauer is the P238. A compact .380 ACP, it's based on John Moses Browning's classic design. (Photo: James Tarr)
SIG-Sauer recently announced a new addition to its lineup - the P238. This is not the first .380 in the SIG catalog, but the company has gone in an entirely different direction with the P238.

Appearing to be nothing so much as a reinvention of the Colt Mustang with SIG lines and proper 3-dot sights, this small, slim, single-action automatic is quite the departure from the blocky lines we've come to associate with SIG offerings. In fact, it's so compact that it's not legal in California or Massachusetts. That alone should make you want to buy one, or at least send SIG a thank-you card.

The P238 indeed looks like a baby version of SIG's 1911, and the thumb safety is just big enough to be easily flicked on and off. It has a tiny beavertail on the frame and a Commander-type hammer. The barrel is just under 3 inches in length, and the magazines hold 6 rounds.

The aluminum grip panels and the front strap are vertically grooved to help control the gun during firing, and best of al,l the P238 comes equipped with real sights with big, bright white dots. The trigger pull on our sample gun was maybe 5 pounds - crisp and relatively light.

Secure in the Hand

TacticalGunFan recently had a little hands-on time with the new SIG. This is a single-stack pistol with an aluminum frame long enough to get two fingers on, similar to the "baby" Glocks, but it feels much more secure in the hand than those chunky Glocks because it's so much thinner.

This little SIG is available in two versions, an all black Nitron-finished model and a two-tone version with a stainless slide and black frame that looks really sharp. Siglight night sights are also available.

The weight is just over 15 ounces, so while it's not a featherweight, you can actually shoot it without worrying it will fly out of your hand. TGF put several magazines through the little SIG and found it a pleasure to shoot, something that can't be said about many small autos. This is due in part to its slightly heavier weight and in part to how well it fills the hand - even in miniature, John Browning's classic design displays good ergonomics. This resemblance is solely external, however, as the P238 has a standard SIG barrel and lockup.

On the "cool meter," this little auto scores a 9.5, but I don't know if I would call anything I had to carry cocked-and-locked a "pocket gun." Traditionally, .380 autos have filled that role, and while I really liked the SIG, tiny single-action-only autos have always had their own little niche in the gun world. The SIG's design might not be right for those who just want to stick a gun into their pocket and forget about it.

In this writer's opinion, single-action autos should be carried cocked-and-locked, but stuffing something with a cocked hammer into a pocket just invites something getting wedged between the cocked hammer and the frame. Long-term carry could fill that hammer gap with lint and God knows what else if the bearer isn't conscientious, possibly rendering the gun useless.

The same thing can be a concern with snub-nose revolvers, but to a much lesser degree. I think the best place for this new SIG is in a holster, and because it is so small and thin, the P238 should disappear under even a thin t-shirt with the proper holster.

Specifications

> Caliber:.380 ACP
> Finish: black aluminum frame, stainless slide either natural or with a black nitron finish
> Action type: single-action only
> Safety: external thumb
> Capacity: 6+1
> Weight (w/o mag): 15.2 oz.
> Overall length: 5.5 in.
> Height: 3.9 in.
> Width: 1.1 in.
> Barrel length: 2.7 inches
> Sights: 3-dot (white), Siglight night sights available
> Trigger pull: 5 lbs.
> MSRP: $543-$600

http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/images/stories/news/art/products/s/sig_sauer_p238_01_400_jamestarr.jpg
New from SIG Sauer is the P238. A compact .380 ACP, it's based on John Moses Browning's classic design. (Photo: James Tarr)


http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/images/stories/news/art/products/s/sig_sauer_p238_02_03_300_jamestarr.jpg
Unlike many current pocket pistols, the P238 is fitted with large and easy-to-see combat sights (top). Practical accuracy is quite good. The new SIG strips easily for routine maintenance (bottom). Overall, it's a nicely made piece. (Photos: James Tarr)

markm
08-04-09, 19:59
The first two strikes against the gun are...

1. It's a Sig, and

2. It's chambered in the useless .380.

2 deal breakers in one pistol!

gunwriter
08-04-09, 20:10
the useless .380 killed an awful lot of people

(it was used to whack Archduke Ferdinand and start WWI) :D

Ed L.
08-04-09, 21:19
Because something has killed a lot of people means that it is or was commonplace. It does not necessarily make make it a good choice for defensive use.

I am just waiting to hear what MarkM would say if LWRC came out with a piston .380 pistol.

Rider79
08-04-09, 22:34
What do you think, and would you feel comfortable carrying a pocket single-action cocked and locked?

It would be kinda cool in 9mm. But its still a Sig.

Steve
08-04-09, 22:52
Reguardless of what expert Markm tells us:rolleyes: having witnessed first hand what a 380 can do i dont want to be shot with it

the sig 380 is nice my partner has one neat gun has all ready been sent back
it shoots well but its still a sig

1st was a shooting at our local gunshop when the rounds came over the counter 380 ball ammo passed though a stock of a mossberg 835 through the wall board through the block wall and was laying on the desk,

the other was a dead street girl that took 3 round COM she stumbled about 10 feet.

ST911
08-05-09, 00:26
What do you think, and would you feel comfortable carrying a pocket single-action cocked and locked?

Carry of an SAO of that size, in positions/methods likely to be employed, by those likely to employ them, could be...interesting...at least.

No love here for SAO anyway.

There are guns of approximately that size and weight in 380 and larger calibers already. This is an answer in search of question. Or someone's nod to nostalgia.



2. It's chambered in the useless .380.

Now now... There's a difference between "suboptimal" and "useless."

variablebinary
08-05-09, 00:29
It's it comedy, or tragic that SIG is now a warning label :(

DrMark
08-06-09, 11:06
http://www.sigsauer.com/customerservice/p238upgrade.aspx


Dear SIG SAUER Customer:

SIG SAUER, Inc. has initiated a Mandatory Safety Upgrade pertaining to our new Model P238™ pistols. We have determined that a small number of P238 pistols may have safety levers that are not manufactured to factory specifications. Under certain conditions, it may be possible for the lever not to be completely engaged in the safe position. In this condition, the gun will not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, when the safety lever is moved to the off position, the hammer may fall, with the remote possibility that the gun could fire unintentionally, thus creating a risk of injury or death.

There have been no reports of any injuries or mishaps; however, in accordance with SIG SAUER, Inc.’s commitment to provide customers with the highest quality products and services, we are issuing a P238 Mandatory Safety Upgrade, to return the identified product to factory specifications. Upon receipt of the firearm, SIG SAUER will, at no cost to the owner, eliminate the risk identified above by replacing the subject part and performing functional upgrades that have been incorporated into the P238, subsequent to its introduction. SIG SAUER will return the firearm, pre-paid, to the owner as quickly as possible.

If you have a SIG SAUER P238 with a serial number between DA000501 and DA003216, please cease use of the firearm immediately. Not all P238s within the identified serial number range are affected; therefore, it is imperative that you contact us via the UPGRADE HOT LINE at 1 (866) 446-1914. An operator will take your information and confirm if your firearm is required to be returned for Upgrading. If necessary, you will receive a certified package from SIG SAUER that will contain a UPS shipping return label, a Return Merchandise Authorization Number, and a box to return the firearm. Simply affix the provided UPS shipping label to the supplied box (completely covering the existing shipping label) and bring the box to a designated UPS drop-off location. Please be certain to include the magazine along with the original SIG SAUER blue gun box. If you have questions or would like further information, you may contact SIG SAUER CUSTOMER SERVICE at 603-772-2302 (Choose Option # 3).

We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your immediate cooperation in the return of your P238 handgun.

Sincerely,

SIG SAUER, Inc.