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Irfan
08-05-09, 21:39
First, I'd like to say this is one of the best gun-forums I've visited, there are some very knowledgeable people down here. For my first post I'd just like to aks you this question: What are the proven 9mm pistol designs that you could depend on in war condtitions? This is my list, in no particular order:
Beretta 92FS
SIG Sauer P226/229
HK USP9
Glock 17/19
CZ-75B/85B

And I have a doubt regarding these:
Walther P99
XD-M
Steyr M9

What do you guys think?

Cold Zero
08-05-09, 21:45
Glock 19 with nights sights and never look back.

DocHolliday01
08-05-09, 21:55
I would take a 17 w/NS and a Surefire X300.

geminidglocker
08-05-09, 21:59
My Glock 26. 124gr. Speer+P

Pilgrim
08-05-09, 22:00
My Glock 26. 124gr. Speer+P

Same exact thing for me...

crusader377
08-05-09, 22:11
My BHP mark III works very well for me. You might also want to add the S&W MP to your trusted list as well.

Other than that your list looks great.

telecustom
08-05-09, 22:16
Glock 19 with nights sights and never look back.

I agree

Alpha Sierra
08-05-09, 22:19
Personally my M&Ps and my 915 are good to go.

Robb Jensen
08-05-09, 22:21
Glock 19 and 17, S&W M&P9 & 9L, Beretta 92/M9, Ruger P95, pre-2005 SIG P6/225/226/228/229.

The FN FNP9 has a lot of promise. If the DA pull could be lightened a bit (to about 7.5lbs) it would be great and might pull me away from my M&P Pro, they should make a FNP9-L with a 5" barrel. The FNP9s ergos are great, it's very reliable and the DA is smooth just a little too heavy. The SA pull is light enough and has a nice short reset but I do like it to be a little more positive (snappy).

citizensoldier16
08-05-09, 22:26
G17 with Trijicon night sights, a TLR-1 (LED) and a fistfull of 17-round mags loaded with Speer +p hollowpoints. Done and done.

JiMfraRED1911
08-05-09, 22:55
The GLOCK 17/19

Older SIGs P22xs', although I'm sure the newer ones are fine for the most part if you really understand what you're buying.

The S&W M&P9

A few polymer HKs

A few Berettas

Guilty
08-05-09, 23:03
HK P30 or HK P30L are both really great 9mm pistols IMO.

bradb55
08-05-09, 23:05
Glock 19 every day

Icculus
08-05-09, 23:19
P229 + TruGlo TFO front + Siglight rear + Federal HSTs = ALL GOOD!

M4arc
08-05-09, 23:24
My G17, G19 & G26

Vash1023
08-05-09, 23:31
XD-m with x300

loupav
08-06-09, 00:01
I have a HK P2000 I trust my life to. Also Sig P226/P228 9mm's are excellent guns.

Greg Bell
08-06-09, 00:07
HKUSP/P2000/P30

Glock 17

RojasTKD
08-06-09, 00:12
of the one I've actually fired.

Beretta 92FS
Browning HP
HK USP
CZ 75BD
S&W M&P
Sig

Rider79
08-06-09, 00:15
My Hi-point 9mm.









Just kidding.

Glock 19, NY1/3.5 connector set-up, extended slide-stop, Warren 2 dot sights.

Mr.Goodtimes
08-06-09, 00:27
I completely trust my beretta 92FS with my life. I wouldnt hesitate to take this gun into battle with me, hesitation wouldnt even cross my mind. this little gun (actually its pretty damn big for a 9mm) is an absolute tack driver, not to mention dead nuts accurate.

At 30 yds my 92 will put 5 rds into a 3in circle, and thats with me behind the trigger. It will also eat anything from dirty underpowered CCI blazer to Winchester Ranger T's. What more could i ask for?

This gun has been reliable for well over 1k rds now, not one single malfunction at all since i bought it new and pulled it outta the box.

My dads sig 226 actually jammed quite a bit, its 20 old though so, mabey it just needs a new recoil spring and extractor. I've tried to talk him into fixing it up but, he thinks nothings wrong with it...

I would be willing to try an M&P 9, and a glock. Im sure their great guns but, i wont trust my life to anything until ive put atleast 500 trouble free rounds down the tube of various sorts of ammo.

Bowser
08-06-09, 01:08
USPc 9mm with trijicon night sights. jack bauer style.

Vendetta
08-06-09, 01:12
I'm with the majority, G19 and G26, with a good set of night sights and Speer Gold Dots.

spamsammich
08-06-09, 01:40
I wouldn't mind my own Glock 19 with night sights. All my trigger time with one has left me impressed. My current fav is my M&P9 with night sights, though I wish trigger reset was stronger and more distinct. I feel very good about the reliability of this the M&P. It had one failure to eject with the 2nd mag I ever put through the gun and those were BVAC reloads. 800+ rounds later and I haven't had a single problem with it. I've owned a FNP-9 which was a pretty smooth little gun, but I sold it to a buddy that really needed something for HD. I wouldn't mind having another one, maybe a usg model this time.

I found the Steyr M9-A1 to be not reliable enough to carry. The 3 pistols above would easily go over 700 rounds without malfunctions and eat any ammo I would throw at them. The Steyr was picky about ammo, the trigger was a little gritty, and trigger reset could be more distinct. The upside of that gun was it was incredibly easy to get back on target because of the light recoil and lack of muzzle flip. I found the sights to be super easy to use. I put in a new guide rod and extractor and reliability improved a little, but it was just too picky and malfunctioned too often for my taste.

variablebinary
08-06-09, 01:44
Glock...any Glock.

Add Night sights & HST 124gr +P

Spoon
08-06-09, 01:44
Glock 17&19, Hornady Tap 124gr

Mark71
08-06-09, 01:53
Glock 34 or 19 with a good set of sights.

I would also be comfortable using a HK USP, P2000, or P30.

razors
08-06-09, 02:44
I would also go with the G19 with trijicons

Combat_Diver
08-06-09, 02:50
Trust worthy
M9 Beretta
M11 Sig 228
Sig 226/220/225 (yes the 220 was made in 9mm)
Walther P38/P4 series
CZ75
BHP
Glock 17/19
Smith and Wesson 5900/6900 series


http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/9809Combat_Diver-114.JPG

CD

QuickStrike
08-06-09, 05:36
My most trusted pistol period is a glock 19 w/ night sights.

bobafett
08-06-09, 06:13
I've been shooting Berettas for 20+ years and I've never been disappointed. Only time I've seen them fail (in hands of others) were when they were ran dry.

ShipWreck
08-06-09, 07:27
I have a Walther P99 A/S in 9mm that I absolutely love

So mine would be (what I own)

Walther P99
Beretta 92FS
Glock 17
HK USPc 9mm

geminidglocker
08-06-09, 08:23
My 26 has Trijicons, I actually had to use it in a low light scenario, to dispatch and angry skunk that sprayed me 2 years ago.

Detmongo
08-06-09, 08:51
any of my glock's 17,19,26,34 or my sig 226 or 228.

sjohnny
08-06-09, 09:06
My first duty gun was a S&W 5934 and as much as I hated the DAO trigger pull it was absolutely reliable and very accurate (I was shooting a lot more back then and that may have had something to do with it too). I was pretty rough with that gun and it just kept on working. I had a 915 that I carried off duty because I liked the TDA better than the DAO. It was also very reliable and accurate. I put a lot of rounds through both of those guns and they never gave me a single problem. When my department authorized .40s for off-duty I sold the 915 and bought my Glock 23. I still have it and really like it. I had shot Glock 19s prior to purchasing the 23 and they were always reliable and accurate and I liked the way they felt but wanted more power so I went with the 23 (about 12 years ago). At this point I don't think I would have been giving up too much if I'd gone with the 19 instead but I do like my 23.

JAYTEAM
08-06-09, 11:39
My most trusted pistol period is a glock 19 w/ night sights.

+1

No doubt about it... I don't leave home without it.

Jay

ronnie77
08-06-09, 13:50
My daily carry is between my M&P9 and HK P30.
My M&P gets more play than all.. Close to 6,000 rds through with zero issues.
Acutally.. just one FTE, because it was a crap reload..

I also love my Beretta M9 and USP 9.

thetallengineer
08-06-09, 14:43
Well from my own shooting experience and what I have used in classes:

G17, G19, HK P2000, and a 2001 Sig P228.

ffhounddog
08-06-09, 15:14
M9
SW3913
Glock 17/19/26

I have all those too.

Sights as long as I can see the front sight. I prefer nightsights but no needed if I can see the sights.

Business_Casual
08-06-09, 16:02
I don't trust any of my guns with my wife.

What's that?

Oh, never mind.



M_P

txdukklr
08-06-09, 16:06
Glock and my springfield xd service

My buddy has a beretta m-9 and i think it shoots like a dream.

SteyrAUG
08-06-09, 16:47
First, I'd like to say this is one of the best gun-forums I've visited, there are some very knowledgeable people down here. For my first post I'd just like to aks you this question: What are the proven 9mm pistol designs that you could depend on in war condtitions? This is my list, in no particular order:
Beretta 92FS
SIG Sauer P226/229
HK USP9
Glock 17/19
CZ-75B/85B

And I have a doubt regarding these:
Walther P99
XD-M
Steyr M9

What do you guys think?

In terms of performance, I don't see where any of those would be a problem. Parts and mags could prove difficult to find with some of them.

Paul45
08-06-09, 23:12
If I could have only one, it would be a Glock 17 with night sights.

I love HP's and 9mm 1911's plus the G19, 34 & 26 but the gun that has never failed me in 9mm in the G17.

MiggyE
08-07-09, 00:04
my personal tastes are for the HK USP, Tanfoglio/EAA Witness, FN FNP9, and the HS 2000/Springfield XDm. this is my personal taste, so sorry to the glock users here, just never got the hang of the glock.....:)

xtremejc
08-07-09, 00:28
Any 9mm Glock... I have a 34, 17, 19, and 26 and have never had a single problem with any of them...

JC

Apollo11
08-07-09, 00:39
Any HK or Glock in 9mm is GTG by me,

submoa
08-07-09, 00:44
The Glocks of course, 26/19/17/34 w/ NS and an M3 light on all but the little 26. They are just like that damed rabbit on TV, they just keep running and running...

Older P226/228 w/ NS have always been reliable in the extreme for me. No rail, but I still have an original Sure-Fire Weapon Light mounted on one of my 2 '87 P226s, with the updated lense it works just fine....

Never fond of the the Beretta 9X series of pistols, and I was issued one for 13 years, but I have to admit they worked near as well as my prefered Sigs. Big ass pistol for a 9mmP though...

My USPs are in 40 and 45 and they work extremely well. I can't help but assume, thru limited personal experience, the 9 version works even better...

I love my P35s, they are classics and I'll die with 'em, but the only one I'd tote under combat conditions would be my '77, lightly customized by C&S & me :D. Have an original Sure-Fire Weapon Light for her too, so that area is covered, as is the Novak NS C&S installed.

No real experience to speak of with the others so "No comment" there.

jp0319
08-07-09, 05:17
If I had to rely on one 9mm it would be Glock 17/19 other than that the CZ-75 has more than proven itself in combat in a LOT of places.

JonInWA
08-07-09, 09:17
Glock G17, G19;

Ruger P89;

Beretta 92D.

If it came down to only one pistol, the Glock G17.

Best, Jon

freakshow10mm
08-07-09, 09:33
My H&K P7PSP works fine.

andy t
08-07-09, 10:18
Glock 19/26 and Walther P99C.
I once took P99C through a class where i put 1000 rounds through it in 10 hours.
No malfunctions.


First, I'd like to say this is one of the best gun-forums I've visited, there are some very knowledgeable people down here. For my first post I'd just like to aks you this question: What are the proven 9mm pistol designs that you could depend on in war condtitions? This is my list, in no particular order:
Beretta 92FS
SIG Sauer P226/229
HK USP9
Glock 17/19
CZ-75B/85B

And I have a doubt regarding these:
Walther P99
XD-M
Steyr M9

What do you guys think?

awm14hp
08-07-09, 18:46
Glock 17-19-26
SW 3913
Ber M-9
Sig 226 228 239

pleaforwar
08-07-09, 18:57
CZ-75 SPO1 or the Glock 34 for actual combat.

Glock 19 for concealed carry.

bgoode
08-07-09, 19:08
Its hard for me to not go with a G19 / G26 combo. the G19 is such a smaller package than the other optons and I am a 5'8" (maybe) guy so I need a decent sized SMALL gun combo. I am using the .22 converson kit to get me more trigger time with less $$

varoadking
08-07-09, 19:32
Most quality modern handguns are pretty reliable...

I have a few and none are not...

kaltblitz
08-07-09, 19:51
I agree that most modern quality combat handguns are trustworthy. I don't trust any gun though unless I've put at least 1,000 trouble-free rounds through it.

My current 9mm squeezes are my older Grayguns-tuned Sig 226 and my Glock 17.

DocGKR
08-07-09, 20:27
Out of the box I'd go with a 9 mm Glock.

I'd also feel OK with the S&W M&P and 3rd Gen S&W's, some of the HK 9 mm's, the older German made Sig P228/P226's, or possibly a customized Hi-Power.

RAM Engineer
08-07-09, 20:47
some of the HK 9 mm's

Just "some"? I'm kind of interested to see which HKs didn't make your cut.

sjc3081
08-07-09, 21:30
delete

ralph
08-07-09, 22:16
HK USP,or a HK P2000 with LEM triggers or a M&P9....

m4fun
08-07-09, 22:23
Agree, most modern 9mm should go but from my personal experience:
Beretta 92FS
Glock 19
Walther P99
Browning HP

MiggyE
08-08-09, 01:49
If I had to rely on one 9mm it would be Glock 17/19 other than that the CZ-75 has more than proven itself in combat in a LOT of places.

damn, forgot to place CZ-75 on my list. its very, very good gun. would also include the jericho/baby eagle. what the hell, jericho, tanfoglio, and CZ-75 all have interchangeable parts. after all, the tanfoglio/witness and jericho were based on the CZ.

MiggyE
08-08-09, 01:57
Just "some"? I'm kind of interested to see which HKs didn't make your cut.

haha, i agree! what HK's didn't make the cut?:) just for curiousity, mind you, as i used to use an H&K USP for competitions almost 20 years ago. took a lot of abuse from both my uncle and i, and kept on going. my uncle finally sold it off after placing 30,000 rounds through it. just to find out that my friends own the local dealership and the gun had a lifetime warantee....my carry is a tanfoglio/EAA witness, and it also performs flawlessly.

kmrtnsn
08-08-09, 02:04
I have owned the full sized USP, carried the USPc in .40 as both an issued and as a POW piece, and currently carry a P2000SK in .40 as a daily carry piece. If I had to downgrade from .40S&W to 9mm I'd stick to this platform in a N.Y. minute.

BT2012
08-08-09, 10:23
G19 has been my on and off-duty carry for over 14 years with no issues. I recommend sights that have Trijicon inserts.

6933
08-08-09, 19:58
G17/19 due to its well documented reliability. HK USP, same. HK45, Todd's trials, and others experience, strongly suggests it is a good platform. Pre-2005 Sig 225/226/228/229 based on many reputable recommendations.

For me list is:
1. HK USP Tac .45
2. HK USP Tac .45 Compact
3. Glock G17/19
4. Pre-2005 SIG 225/226/228/229

In a couple of years looks like M&P may be on the list.

92's: Maybe outdated b/c better options out there.
1911's: Great gun, can be finicky and expensive to get where it needs to be.

One man's uneducated opinion when compared to many experts.

d90king
08-08-09, 21:07
Hk P30
Sig 229
Hk P7M8

Littlebear
08-09-09, 11:37
The ones I love to shoot:
G17; SIG 228; HK USPc; HK P30

What I carry: G17 with "plain" black (serrated front, plain rear)iron sights, no other modification needed... Boringly reliable.

recon by fire
08-15-09, 05:32
I like 3rd generation S&W, but 2nd generation aint too bad either. Rugged and reliable. A 5906 is built like a brick **** house.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/millwright/SW2-1.jpg

canucksvt
08-15-09, 11:16
I would have to go with my first ever pistol purchased back in 1993. It has been mentioned numerous times already in this thread. The Glock 19 has been absolutely boringly reliable and trustworthy for me throughout an unknown number of various types of 9mm. Literally thousands of rounds have gone down the tube of this pistol with never one FTE/FTF.

In the past I have purposely abused it, neglected it, and tried to get this pistol to fail. It never has. As a result I now do carry this pistol as my concealed carry pistol of choice, and as a result now take care of it and keep it religiously clean after every range session. The only changes I think are absolutely necessary are the addition of a set of quality (I prefer Trijicon) night sights. I carry Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P exclusively as my carry load.

Mr.Goodtimes
08-15-09, 11:31
I like 3rd generation S&W, but 2nd generation aint too bad either. Rugged and reliable. A 5906 is built like a brick **** house.

i think my father carried one of these back in the mid 80's as a police officer. he said the thing was an absolute pile of shit, it couldnt go through 2 whole mags with out jamming. He said it was a smith and wesson auto, all metal frame and slide... so im pretty sure it was one of these. was it possibly a first generation? he sold it after a few months and bough a sig 226.

SpaceGhost
08-15-09, 11:40
Glock 19 Novak wide notch Bar/Dot NS
Glock 17 Heinie Wide notch Straight 8 NS
Glock 34 " " """""""""
STI LS9 " ''''''''
SA EMP Novak NS
HK P7M8 Factory NS
SA 1911 target front N/S rear Bomar

maximus83
08-15-09, 12:12
M&P9
CZ75/CZ85/CZSP01
Kahr PM9

recon by fire
08-15-09, 12:43
i think my father carried one of these back in the mid 80's as a police officer. he said the thing was an absolute pile of shit, it couldnt go through 2 whole mags with out jamming. He said it was a smith and wesson auto, all metal frame and slide... so im pretty sure it was one of these. was it possibly a first generation? he sold it after a few months and bough a sig 226.

IIRC they started producing the 3rd generation about 1989, so it could have been a 1st or 2nd generation. I don't have any experience with the 1st generation pistols, but the black one in the picture that I posted is a 2nd generation S&W (459) police trade in. A few of the springs were worn out when I got it, from years of police work. I replaced all the springs in the gun for $20. But even before I replaced the springs, it would not malfunction. Neither of those pistols have ever malfunctioned since I've owned them. They are known for being rugged and reliable, that's why LE agencies used them before the Glock became so popular.

macman37
08-15-09, 12:50
I'll only speak for the ones I have direct experience with:

German built SIG 226 and 228.

Never a problem with either of them that wasn't 100% the fault of bad ammo or a bad mag.

jwinch2
08-15-09, 14:49
In no particular order;

CZ 75 (One of if not the most widely used handgun platform in the world)
Glock 17 and 19 (If the grips felt comfortable in my hand, this is what I would have rather than my CZ's)
Beretta 92 (m9) have proven themselves to be very reliable throughout the years.

As for ammo, lightweight and fast moving seems to be the best bet in 9mm. I am partial to Speer Gold Dot in 115 +p and 124 +p. I also am starting to really like the Hornady critical defense in 115 +p and have shot TAP in good amounts with no problems. Winchester Ranger ammo has a proven track record both in ballistics testing and in street reports from LEO's. I haven't heard much on their newer Supreme Elite Bonded ammunition but I imagine that it will be a good performer as well. I stay away from the 147 grain ammo as that has been a poor performer according to both ballistics testing and shooting reports.

PrivateCitizen
08-15-09, 22:54
And I have a doubt regarding these:
Walther P99
XD-M
Steyr M9


Just curious as to why …

I have been hearing the call of an M9A1, lately.

VTLO910
08-15-09, 23:33
GLOCK, Pick your flavor of size... Night Sights always recommended for ANY Pistola... :D


Never owned a GLOCK I didn't like.

maximus83
08-16-09, 11:01
Curious: For those who've listed 3rd generation S&W as a live option, have you specifically used the S&W 4506? That's an interesting looking gun to me, I saw one used in the movie "Street Kings" recently, and also saw one on Gunbroker for a good price. They seem to have a couple of interesting updates compared to a classic 1911 design.

recon by fire
08-16-09, 12:46
Curious: For those who've listed 3rd generation S&W as a live option, have you specifically used the S&W 4506? That's an interesting looking gun to me, I saw one used in the movie "Street Kings" recently, and also saw one on Gunbroker for a good price. They seem to have a couple of interesting updates compared to a classic 1911 design.

I don't have any experience with the 4506 but I too have been interested in that model. Since I purchased two S&W autos and like them very much, I've wanted to get more of them and start a collection. For me, it's like the black rifle thing. It's addictive. S&W made so many different models, there is an incredible amount of options. The next pistols that I want are the 4506, and a compact 9mm for a CCW, and also a 3rd generation version of the 459 that I have, I think that would be a 5904. I was going to gun shows, gun shops, and pawn shops and finding some good deals on these pistols, before I deployed to Iraq. The 5906 is like new and it was in a gun shop for $339 on the shelf next to $500-$700 plastic pistols. The plastic was flying off the shelves, but that 5906 just sat there, long enough for me to scrape up the money to take it home.(about a week) :)

If you want more info about the 4506 check out the S&W forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/

sjohnny
08-16-09, 14:59
I don't have any direct experience with the 4506 but have known a couple of people that had/have them. Except for being heavy no one I know that has them has had any problems with them.

poak
08-16-09, 16:25
My G19 was my daily carry for a LONG time.

My lust for a USP9c led to me trading it.

I don't regret trading for the USP9c, but I wish I had just ponyed up the cash and kept my G19. I'll probably pick another one up sooner or later.

I really enjoy carrying C&L w/ the USP though. The only downside I see to it is the HK tax.

Pluses for the G19 are it's slightly easier concealablity, it's price, and it's extremely readily available aftermarket.

Either pistol is extremely well suited for anything you can throw it's way. I can say either is better than the other, I guess it just comes down to

kmrtnsn
08-16-09, 16:49
When it comes to the pre M&P S&W's I would not trust my life to a S&W with a magazine drop safety.

observer
08-16-09, 17:34
9mm pistols I trust....

Anywhere in the world, issue or personal use:
Glock 17/19

Smith M&P 9

If issued to me:
Beretta 92F/M9

Sig 250/228/226/239 (CS caveat)

Browning HP (they do eat my hands though)

This is based on work and personal experience. No, the HK did not make the cut, with even bigger issues than Sig in CS.

RogerinTPA
08-16-09, 17:43
G17/19, S&W M&P9, 9c, 6906, HK P30, P2000, Sig 228, 229.

DocGKR
08-18-09, 20:47
”As for ammo, lightweight and fast moving seems to be the best bet in 9mm. I am partial to Speer Gold Dot in 115 +p and 124 +p. I also am starting to really like the Hornady critical defense in 115 +p and have shot TAP in good amounts with no problems. Winchester Ranger ammo has a proven track record both in ballistics testing and in street reports from LEO's. I haven't heard much on their newer Supreme Elite Bonded ammunition but I imagine that it will be a good performer as well. I stay away from the 147 grain ammo as that has been a poor performer according to both ballistics testing and shooting reports.”

jwinch2--Rarely have I seen such blatant misinformation posted on this forum, as what you wrote above…

awm14hp
08-18-09, 21:09
jwinch2--Rarely have I seen such blatant misinformation posted on this forum, as what you wrote above…

I go with Doc on this one the 147 loads have come along way and why beat on the gun for the same or almost exact same performance. No Thanks I like the 147 Ranger T -Gold Dot and HST loads

Terry
08-19-09, 18:17
I have adapted my life to carry a Glock 17.
So far, it has been a worthwhile endeavor.

tpd223
08-19-09, 21:22
Currently Glock 26 through 34.

I carried a S&W 5906 or 5903 for many years, good solid guns, reliable as hell and very durable.

MSP "Sarge"
08-20-09, 00:19
Had a S&W 645 for years. Carried it on and off duty while working Narcotics (ol' school here) haha. Just gave it to my nephew who is a LEO. That was a very heavy pistol. Stainless Steel. Good shooter though and never had a miss fire.

gtmtnbiker98
08-20-09, 10:11
Sig P226, Sig P228/9 or HK P30 for me.

LSK
08-20-09, 10:29
For me the most trouble free 9mm that can be serviced by me anywhere on the planet is the Glock 17/19.