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jman4427
08-08-09, 16:31
My father recently came to me seeking advice about a CCW. I really don't know anything about the CCW world but he told me a guy he works with was selling a G19 with 45 rounds through it. Since I know a ton of people CCW this weapon I told him to jump on it.

I have also heard that you need a good belt and holster but like I said I don't know much about all the options.

CCW guys, what would be a good beginner holster and belt for a guy who is 5' 8 170?

Also, whats the deal with the lead bullets in the glock barrels. Is it true the lead will build up due to the type of rifling causing unsafe chamber pressure or is it a myth? I have read a ton of conflicting reports.

Thanks

thorm001
08-08-09, 16:39
MTAC for IWB.

Business_Casual
08-08-09, 17:25
Do not shoot lead (unjacked) bullets in a Glock - it is referenced in the owner's manual. If you must shoot them, you need to replace the barrel with one that has conventional rifling, such as a Storm Lake or KKM.

A good belt from Dillon Leather and an IWB CompTac, Raven Concealment or Blade Tech will last him the rest of his life. Do not overlook extra magazines. Speer 124 gr. +P has proven to be effective from Glock 19s as well.

When he's had a chance to carry for a while, you might consider upgrading the sights to 10-8. The factory ones are less than ideal.

M_P

bgoode
08-08-09, 17:53
I use a wilderness instructor belt and an Andrews McDaniel II IWB sheath.

jman4427
08-08-09, 18:09
Do not shoot lead (unjacked) bullets in a Glock - it is referenced in the owner's manual. If you must shoot them, you need to replace the barrel with one that has conventional rifling, such as a Storm Lake or KKM.

A good belt from Dillon Leather and an IWB CompTac, Raven Concealment or Blade Tech will last him the rest of his life. Do not overlook extra magazines. Speer 124 gr. +P has proven to be effective from Glock 19s as well.

When he's had a chance to carry for a while, you might consider upgrading the sights to 10-8. The factory ones are less than ideal.

M_P

Thanks for the suggestions. I looked in the owners manual and all I could see regarding ammunition was a statement saying use only high quality new ammunition. I will still tell him to stay away from the lead though.

Iraqgunz
08-08-09, 18:36
One thing I can say is that a good belt and holster are a must. Having said that I carry my G22 and G19 in a Kramer Vertical scabbard made of Horsehide. This is the 2nd one I have owned and I find that the horsehide lasts longer than cowhide. His stuff is top-notch.

http://www.kramerleather.com/productDetail.cfm?productID=13&categoryID=24

chrismartin
08-08-09, 19:14
Get a good belt. I use a Beltman belt, velcro lined to use with the Velcro clips.
It has been a great belt.

http://www.thebeltman.net/

MTAC is my favorite holster right now. It works great and is adaptable for different clips, carry styles and even different guns. I use the V-Clips.

http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95

CompTAC also had some of their belts on sale. Any good GUN BELT will do. The comptac one was reinforced with kydex and available velcro lined and sounded pretty good. I only have first hand experience with the Beltman.

http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=43

Oh, I carry a Glock 19 as well. The problem with lead is with the polygonal rifling. It causes a tighter seal with the bullet and when the barrel leads up, it can lead to increased pressures and blow up your gun. The same recommendation against lead is from all guns that use poly rifling (Glock, HK, etc.) If you want to shoot lead, just pick up a Lone Wolf drop in barrel.

awm14hp
08-08-09, 20:16
I have rafter S double wide belt in shark its 2 years old and still looks great
and a kramer #3 horsehide both work great for my 23 or 19 thinking of getting a #3 for my 17 and 22 also

GLOCKMASTER
08-08-09, 20:42
I carry my G19 in a Kramer #3 IWB Horsehide, a Kramer Vertical Horsehide Scabbard or a AIWB kydex holster from Carry Concepts. These holsters are always supported by a gun belt from The Beltman or a Wilderness 5 Stitch Instructors Belt. I can comfortably carry with any the above configurations for 16+ hours a day.

Of course YMMV......

jsebens
08-08-09, 20:49
If you don't mind, let me toss out an explanation of why guys are recommending the belts that they are. (The issue of holsters is an entirely different and in many ways more complicated one, so I'll leave that to someone who can address that appropriately.) Bottom line, the stiffer your belt is, the happier you'll be carrying a gun on it. This stiffness can be achieved a few different ways; leather belts are often made from bullhide or horsehide, double-layered, etc. Nylon belts can have multiple rows of stitching (Wilderness, et al.), a plastic/HDPE insert (Galco, et al.), or stiffer webbing (Ares Gear, et al.). The best belts do multiples of these, and if you were to look at a Wilderness belt (or one of the others), you'd notice that it likely does two or even three of these things. When you draw your handgun, that belt should NOT move with it. We all have experience with different brands, and many of us have multiple belts from different companies; these are the people whose advice you should weight (positively), as compared to the folks who say "My (insert brand here) belt is the best ever, and it's the only one I've ever had!" Many (perhaps most) of these companies have some sort of satisfaction guarantee. As the price goes up, so does the quality, and so does the customer service (generally).

I hope this wasn't "teaching my grandmother to suck eggs"; just trying to point out a few things that you should be looking for and paying attention to when you go belt shopping.


Full disclosure - I work for Ares Gear. I'm not telling you to buy one of my belts, I'm telling you how to choose the belt that's right for you. If that's not one of my belts (and it might not be), then I hope this can help you find the one that best suits your needs.

Rider79
08-09-09, 00:02
I use one of these:

http://www.lapolicegear.com/blcqcleinho.html

It's not super expensive, I've run it through some drills and it's worked for me. The sweat guard works well, and it's comfortable for long carry. I'd like to get a Kramer or Milt Sparks and try it out eventually though. As for a belt, I have a Apex dress type belt that has a polymer insert in it that works well, but usually I use a Wilderness 5 stitch belt without the polymer insert. It works well enough, but I kinda wish I got the one with the insert in it.

DBR
08-09-09, 01:08
The most economical and very serviceable rig I use is the Glock "Sport Holster" (about $15)- it is not a toy and is actually quite rugged - with the 1 1/2" Wilderness Instructor 5 stitch Belt (about $40). This is an OWB rig.

After spending more than I want to admit on holsters for IWB including horsehide, cowhide and Kydex, I use the K. L. Null UNS Horsehide for several guns and particularly for Glock.

http://www.klnullholsters.com/

I think it is the best IWB holster available for a Glock. It is not cheap but you can also get it in this lifetime. He usually delivers in less than three weeks. Once you find the "sweet spot" you will forget it is there and the draw is VERY fast. I wear mine either at 3:00 or about 4:30 depending.

Personally, I like a heavy leather single layer belt for IWB. It eventually conforms to me and the other stuff. Nylon never will.

"Filson" makes an excellent Bridal Leather belt for this purpose.

http://www.filson.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2092359&cp=2069836.2065003.2075127&parentPage=family

I have been using a couple of their belts for more than 10 years and they still are serviceable.

Robb Jensen
08-09-09, 06:00
I use a Galco Side-Snap-Scabbard and the Royal Guard with my Glock 19. I wear Galco leather belts and a Wilderness instuctor belt.

jsebens
08-09-09, 06:04
Personally, I like a heavy leather single layer belt for IWB. It eventually conforms to me and the other stuff. Nylon never will.


Filson makes great belts. Like leather, a good nylon belt can and should conform to you after regular wear. For an example, look at a police officer's nylon duty belt - they're usually straight when you buy them, and contoured within a week.

Littlebear
08-09-09, 10:23
I have been very happy with this guy's work: http://www.c-rusty.com/pages/product_index.htm
Horsehide indeed seems to "age" better than cow/bullhide. After six years of daily wear, holster and mag pouches have not lost any of their retention. The belt is more pliable, but still offers the same "vertical" stiffness and support.
C. Rusty is also a good guy to deal with.

jman4427
08-09-09, 12:21
I use a Galco Side-Snap-Scabbard and the Royal Guard with my Glock 19. I wear Galco leather belts and a Wilderness instuctor belt.

It seems there is a lot of praise for the wilderness instructor belt. And at a decent price Ill try to turn him on to that one. Thanks.

wargasm
08-09-09, 13:35
Wilderness belt / Crossbreed Supertuck @ 4 o'clock with my G19 & 22.

SteyrAUG
08-09-09, 14:06
Depends how he intends to carry.

I personally prefer a OTW holster under a reporter vest as it provides better access than having to yank up a shirt. And in that setup I prefer a paddle mag for easy on and off when I come home.

So as a result my favorite holster is a Blackhawk SERPA. Unlike other kydex holsters this one doesn't mark up your guns from tension retention and it's built a lot better than most.

A-Bear680
08-09-09, 14:49
I have used a Dillion leather belt ( wide one) and an IWB BladeTech for around 10 years.
There are 3 Wilderness Instructor belts at my house but we rarely wear them off the range. Still they are very good belts.
Don't waste money on a cheap belt -- the belt needs to stabilize the holster for a decent draw.
A set of tritium sights & a light would be very high on my list of stuff to get. On a tight budget , I would ( and have in the past ) buy the light first. Warren makes some very good sights but I don't own a set yet.