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The MS2 has been out for a whie now though Im not sure how many are out in peoples hands, I was wondering what is thought of them by people who have used them.
I have two of them. Love them both.
Are people really paying double price on ebay?
I bought 4 directly from Magpul and haven't looked back. I can't believe what some people have paid on ebay.
Anyone know when they may have them in stock again?
Advanced Tactical Solutions
Shelton Stone
(850) 218-0323
shelton@advancedtacticalsolutions.com
Website is not up yet.
I am no way affiliated with them but I have bought from them before. I got my Magpul BAD levers from him. He shipped out the same day and I had it in 2 days total. Good luck.
gruntinhusaybah
09-30-09, 00:49
I got one from magpul when they first came out, the only downside I have seen so far is that it is pretty heavy
I got mine on Ebay without paying double the price. I only paid a small premium for it.
It appears to perform as advertised. I rather like the material it is made out of as well. It doesn't chafe as bad as other materials, and it is more flexible than other slings I was used to. The thing is very, very well made. A bit on the narrow side, if you are only wearing light civilian clothing, but not really bad at all, due in part to that flexibility and softness. I can't comment on durability yet, but I do not foresee any problems based upon my observations.
I have heard some people comment about plastic hardware. There is only one bit of plastic hardware on the sling. It is very well made. This piece can easily be changed for a metal piece if desired. It is not in a place that is sewn in, or otherwise difficult to access. 30 seconds, and you can have metal there if you want it.
All the other hardware is metal.
The clasps work very well, and again as advertised. They didn't take any getting used to for me. Transitioning from single point to two point can be accomplished very quickly and easily, which, to me, was a prime benefit of the sling.
It appears to work just as well for me in either configuration.
Time will tell just how comfortable it is, but I can tell now that it won't be too bad.
I paid more than retail, and in my opinion, it was still well worth it. Only you will be able to determine how it will work for you. For me, however, it is getting off to a better start than any other sling I've used.
The one caveat I can think of, is that due to the way it works with Magpul's own ASAP plate, and some of the hardware, it isn't always the most silent thing in the world. It is not difficult to tension it to avoid noise, however.
I am excited to train with it and learn it's nuances over the next few weeks. I feel the money was very well spent.
I found the:
1) material to be too narrow
2) material to be too soft
3) adjustment to be too stiff
4) hardware/clips to be less than ideal
5) tail to be too long
Here's what I did instead (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33734)
I ordered mine from Magpul directly and had in a few days. This was no more than a month and a half ago. The ASAP plate is what took about 2 to 3 weeks to ship out, also directly from Magpul.
Though I in no way needed a sling like that since I do not do any kind of carbine class or compedetive shooting, I like it a whole lot more than the factory sling that came with my AR.
I really like the single point option because when I pull the adjustment all the way tight, it pulls the rifle into my sholder and makes for a more stable firing platform. Not sure if this is the right way to do it or not, but I am a noob and it seems to be working for me.
I do find the adjustment to be less then ideal however, its not all that easy to do on the fly.
Overall, I like it a lot, but then again, I have not tried anything else aside for the regular sling that was in the box with the rifle.
bnanaphone
09-30-09, 10:30
I found the:
1) material to be too narrow
2) material to be too soft
3) adjustment to be too stiff
4) hardware/clips to be less than ideal
5) tail to be too long
Here's what I did instead (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33734)
I agree with Rob on numbers 1 and 3. I know he has far more experience than I in regards to equipment, though.
I just use the MS2 to keep the gun handy or out of the way while I am shooting on some family property. You never know when a squirrel or woodchuck will flank your position. ;) For that purpose, it has served me well.
I found the:
1) material to be too narrow
2) material to be too soft
3) adjustment to be too stiff
4) hardware/clips to be less than ideal
5) tail to be too long
Here's what I did instead (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33734)
I thought about adding a ring to one of these.
http://www.armsmounts.com/default.asp?mode=products&sub=acc&id=SLING
mkmckinley
09-30-09, 21:49
Rob_s hit the nail on the head. I have one on my work gun and it's OK. Honestly, at least in a 2 point configuration, you could improvise pretty much the same thing for like $15. the adjustment loop is stiff enough that I consider it nonfunctional for its intended purpose.
I think the main thing I like about the sling is the fact that you can switch from single point to double. I know a couple of other slings out there do this but not with a company like magpul behind them. Maybe Ill look into one of those. Thanks.
VooDoo6Actual
10-01-09, 10:39
Excellent sling.
DOES fit BIG Dude Knuckle Draggers etc.
ALL our TEAM on our Protective Detail use these and they are all over 230 lbs, SOLID well built men w/ over 58" suit size.
I'm 6'4' and weight train, so the only downside for me is that it's a bit tight/small. I don't think it was designed with big people in mind.
I want to clarify my original post, in light of some of the follow up posts. I violated one of my own biggest rules by simply posting my opinion without any qualifiers, thereby making my post not worth the time it took all of you to to read it, or me to type it.
I ran my MS/2 three times. Two drills nights and a match. Each event requires walking around slung for 3+ hours at a stretch interceded by brief bursts of shooting. I attached it to the gun in my linked thread with a QD swivel on the DD QD receiver endplate attachment at the rear of the gun. I bought an ASAP but did not install it because I didn't want to take the time if I didn't like the sling (glad I didn't install it in hindsight). I did not have any kind of front attachment point and only ran the sling in single-point mode. I did some shooting from both shoulders each time I used it. Total rounds fired are unknown but matter less than time spent in the sling.
I found that the sling material was too narrow to begin with and therefore bit into my shoulder/neck when slung. It is also too soft, which allowed it to roll, further reducing the bearing area and increasing the amount of bite. I found the 550 cord on the snap shackle was in the way of my firing grip a lot. I do not like what I call "P" or "Q" on-point slings with a round portion for your body and a tail for the gun, but if they must exist I think they should be very short. I found that portion of the MS/2 to be too long for my tastes as it allows the gun to hang too low and flop too much. IMHO the Wilderness single-point sling of the "O" variety a much better solution, albeit not a 1-to-2-point solution (at least not in the same way as the MS/2).
I tried using the sling at home in a two-point setup and found the adjustment extremely hard to move and the dog-leash clip impossible to lock/ulock and the limiting nature of the outer jaws to be frustrating at best.
ROCKET20_GINSU
10-04-09, 20:45
Advanced Tactical Solutions
Shelton Stone
(850) 218-0323
shelton@advancedtacticalsolutions.com
Website is not up yet.
I am no way affiliated with them but I have bought from them before. I got my Magpul BAD levers from him. He shipped out the same day and I had it in 2 days total. Good luck.
+1
Just got my BAD and MS2 from him, shipped quick and everything was just as it should be.
GU
I am glad he was able to supply what you needed. It's always good to recommend someone and they come through like they did for you.
Now get everything installed and practice!
I have 2 ms2's that are brand new ...never opened....would sell ....pm
I have 2 ms2's that are brand new ...never opened....would sell ....pm
Regular price plus shipping or overpriced??
Regular price plus shipping or overpriced??
regular + shipping...
regular + shipping...
Awesome. Sorry I didn't mean to sound like an ass. What I was trying to say is that I don't mind people making $10-$15 but when people are doubling the price, I just think it's screwed up. Awesome deal. I'm trying to get ahold of my friends to see if they want one.
I just got to use my MS2 yesterday and it's much better than my VTAC. I wish they were a little wider.
Awesome. Sorry I didn't mean to sound like an ass. What I was trying to say is that I don't mind people making $10-$15 but when people are doubling the price, I just think it's screwed up. Awesome deal. I'm trying to get ahold of my friends to see if they want one.
I just got to use my MS2 yesterday and it's much better than my VTAC. I wish they were a little wider.
I could care less about making money....just want what I paid plus shipping...whoever wants them has to send cash or check...if check, it clears and then I send....
ROCKET20_GINSU
10-05-09, 04:34
I am glad he was able to supply what you needed. It's always good to recommend someone and they come through like they did for you.
Thanks for the suggestion, yep it worked perfectly, if you had not posted your positive feedback I would still be BAD and MS2 less :D It took 2 days for me too.
Now get everything installed and practice!
All ready there buddy :D
GU
I have tried the BAD, the MS2, and the ASAP. I use my carbine primarily as a hog hunting weapon. I found the ASAP to be too noisy when moving through the bush and moving the weapon from ready to shoulder positions. Plus, the MS2 clip is difficult to manage with one hand. OTOH, the BAD is a huge boon!
mine is quite easy to adjust when moving from single to double point. perhaps there is a slight difference in web material between the two colors when they first released them?
i do find when running it in classes/matches a collared shirt reduces chaffing or you can use whatever to loop it through something on your vest or chest rig to keep it off your neck.
I run the MS2 with an HK clip instead of the swiveling clip w/ lock provided. It doesn't fit most mounts without some kind of alteration or modification. I bought a EMDOM Gunslinger sling as well but wasn't as good as the magpul imo.
I really like the idea. As far as the material, it's too soft and twists too easy. The hardware is okay, I think the attachment point to the weapon is great as far as being able to break it away easy if you need to break away from your rifle, however I think it is a rifle on the ground waiting to happen. If that loop gets caught on something and breaks free and the operator doesn't realize it and transitions to their handgun, they are going to be pissed when their rifle hits the dirt.
I bought some mash hook attachments from Urban-E.R.T. and turned my Viking Tactics Two Point into a 1-2 Point convertible and I love it. I'll either sell the MS2 or put it on my shotgun.
ArmaGlock lets see a pic of that VT sling. Please
ArmaGlock lets see a pic of that VT sling. Please
Here ya go. I bought the attachments from herehttp://www.urbanertslings.com/ursiposlla.html
I added a CLOSE QUARTER ADAPTER (C.Q.A.) MASH HOOK (with metal ring), one mash hook, and a female side release buckle to set up the sling.
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs241.snc1/8832_531001533592_208102813_31797152_175059_n.jpg
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs261.snc1/8832_531001648362_208102813_31797156_1934034_n.jpg
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I was one of the lucky few to grab one right from Magpul the moment they went on sale the first time.
In short, my impression is this: It's an ok single-point sling that will work as a 2-point carry strap in a pinch. It's not a combat-ready 2-point, imho, especially not on a 14.5" carbine.
Opinion: This would work swimmingly on my friend's MP5K. It seems insufficient for any kind of rifle or carbine unless you have an ultra-light 7" or something similar.
It's a shame too... I really *want* to like it. The construction is good, it *feels* like a good sling, it's a cool design concept and people who know a lot (Magpul Dynamics guys) swear it's awesome, but I just can't get there.
That said, I'm holding onto it until I've tried it on 1) shotgun, 2) SBR and maybe 3) SMG. Until then, I'm more than impressed with my VTAC/Vickers-type padded sling I got from LaRue (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=86) which has served me through all kinds of stuff.
YMMV.
Not a fan of it. I find the Ms2 too narrow. It digs into my neck and just gets unbearable after a while. I chose to stick with my padded VCAS
In 22 years, I’ve gone from traditional military 2-point, to HK style, to 3-point, to Wilderness Products single-point, to adjustable 2-point (VTAC & VCAS). At the Magpul Dynamics class in March 2009, I picked up an MS2 sling and ASAP receiver-end sling plate and used it beginning on Day 2 of the class without problems.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/SACompact/MDC2c.jpg
As I have continued to use the MS2 sling, I find the single point mode quite useful for CQB endeavors, as well as being convenient for slinging up prior to exiting vehicles. The sling is very fast when switching shoulders. The ability to quickly switch from single-point mode to adjustable 2-point mode when needed is a nice bonus, although in truth the MS2 sling works best as a single-point. Perhaps because I generally use carbines while wearing body armor, I haven't had any problems with the sling width or softness; I've also not had any problem with the hook or adjusting it. As always, YMMV.
evil_nadman
10-11-09, 18:34
Only complaint I have for the sling is that I went out on a field problem with it and it likes Velcro a little too much. It becomes a little frayed around the edges of it which I'm not much a fan of. Nothing a little heat from a lighter can't fix! :mad:
-Evil Nadman:rolleyes:
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