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calicojack
10-06-09, 17:24
While Ear plugs can suffice in many shooting applications (god knows the surefire EP3s are), they may not be enough if there are mulitple firearms going off around you. Ear plugs may cause an "occlusion effect"

An occlusion effect occurs when some object (like an unvented earmold) completely fills the outer portion of the ear canal. What this does is trap the bone-conducted sound vibrations in the space between the tip of the earmold and the eardrum.

One way to prevent this from happening is to double up. Use not only ear plugs, but ear muffs as well. Not only will you be protecting the inner ear and canal, you'll also be covering the entire ear; including the ear lobe and jaw beginning as well. Almost all the major training schools will require some sort ear muff, and the majority of those schools require them to be of the electronic type.

If you look on any given shooting forum you will find recommendations on electronic ear muffs ranging from the cheapo walmart models to the top of the line sordin's or peltor's.

I recently upgraded from plugs to muffs because of the class i was going to take. I knew that there were going to be lots of firearms going off around me, and I wanted that reassurance that my hearing would be completley protected. So I got a set of Peltor Tactical 6 ear muffs.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/peltor%20tac%206s/DSCF0406.jpg

As soon as I got the packaging open, I just had to try them on. And so I did. They fit perfectly, till I put my hat on under them. Granted that my HSGI flexible fitted hat isn't that thick, it still raised the way that they sit on my head. It should be noted that reading the instructions before finger banging any new products should be crucial. I did not read them, therefore was unaware of how they expanded. So After getting frustrated with not being able to figure it out, I had to go back and actually glance at the instructions.

On each side of the unit you will see a set of thin "wire" that form an h and goes down on each side of the muff. There it connects to a black plastic tube. The easiest way to adjust these muffs is to put them over your head, and then pull down on the muff itself. not the whole unit, but just the muff. You'll notice that the wire will then expand out of the black plastic. Should you over adjust, leave them on, put the base of your hand on the muff and your fingers over the wire and pull them together.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/peltor%20tac%206s/DSCF0409.jpg
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Another mistake I made, was to assume that the muffs came with batteries. And like the old adage says, ass-uming made an ass of me at the most oportune time. We got out to the range, we clicked them on, and nothing. Just complete sound deading. THESE MUFFS DO NOT COME WITH ANY TRIPLE A (AAA) BATTERIES. They must be bought and installed seperately. To install them, you just pull the ear pads away from the muff. Put some force into it if you have to.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/peltor%20tac%206s/DSCF0410.jpg

Once you have the pads off you'll notice that there are actually two parts to the pad. There is a foam inner pad that protects the internal circuitry from the human appendage, and an outter vinyl lined pad for comfort. If you end up destroying them, don't worry. there is a Repair kit (http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=32&products_id=2511) that you can buy to replace those parts.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/peltor%20tac%206s/DSCF0412.jpg

Once you are done using the tac 6s (as they are commonly referred to as) they pack up nice and neat for storage.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/peltor%20tac%206s/DSCF0405.jpg

The first time I used these was during Tactical Response's Fighting Pistol (http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=5) class. We had 26 shooters in the class. The instructors did have a loud speaker for those who didn't bring electronic hearing protection. On the second day, the school was also conducting their "Ak Operators" (http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=68) class over 150 yards away.

During the class I ran the muffs turned up all the way. When we weren't firing it was like we were talking all normal like. While the voices were slightly amplified, it didn't sound like people were yelling. When we started shooting, I could still adequately hear the instructors, but all pistol reports were muffled down almost completely. Even when we were fighting from retention, with our heads less than a foot away from our muzzles, the reports were nullified. At one point we were all standing around doing a quick reload of our magazines and rehydrating. I kept my muffs on and up all the way because we were trying to hurry up and get back to the line. That's when I realized that we weren't alone on the range. There was another class shooting AKs, over 150 yards away, on both single and burst. At full volume these muffs were so sensative that they were stiffiling even the reports from those weapons. Instead of hearing a loud crack, all I heard was a dull thud.

I'll post some action pictures when the class instructor releases them (still waiting on a few reviews)

All in all, for $55-$75 (depending on where you look) these are very much worth the money. Will I upgrade? probably. but not cause they don't work. I'll upgrade when I need to hook comms into my headset.

Oh, one last thing. I did not find these comfortable when used with the surefire ep3 plugs. They put undo pressure into the wall of my ear. I had to down grade to foam plugs with these models.

TOrrock
10-06-09, 17:29
I've gone through 3 pairs of those things at classes and matches. They are not very durable in regards to moisture.

I've upgraded to MSA Sordins and haven't looked back.

A less expensive option that I've bought as loaners for people are the Howard Leight electronic muffs, for about $50.00 or so from Cabella's. They seem much more durable than the Peltors and do a good job reducing dangerous noise while allowing you to hear range commands.

calicojack
10-06-09, 17:42
yeah, that layer of foam is the only thing protecting the inner circuitry, so i wouldn't be surprised if they did get ruined from a through drenching. we didn't get the full camden expierence, as it only rained for about 10 minutes and the humidity was realitively low, so our sweat factor wasn't through the roof.

in the long run i'm going to need something to plug some comms into, so i'll upgrade when i have to cross that road.

Misc Ex-Member
10-06-09, 21:08
I left mine at the range for anyone who wanted them. Like Templar I switched to MSA/Sordins.

Harv
10-06-09, 21:19
Yea... I use to use Peltors... then I got smart and got Sordins......

shooter521
10-06-09, 21:38
Good review, thanks for taking the time.

I've been through a couple sets of 6S in the last few years. Still have a set for backup/loaner use, but stepped up to the Peltor Tac Sport a year or so ago. I am told they're basically the ComTac (military) electronics in a civilian chassis. Durability, comfort and sound quality are better than the TAC-6S, and the auto shutoff saves batteries. I view them as an interim step for those wanting something better than the TACs but not wanting to lay out the big bucks for Sordins or Comtacs. I paid ~$129 for mine, but have seen them for under $100 recently.

PrivateCitizen
10-06-09, 21:41
Jack,

Thanks for time and effort to contribute your impressions of this product. Regardless of the outcome of the product your writeup was informative and visual

A follow up with your impressions after some extended use would be great.

With Sordins going for almost $250 these might be of value to a casual shooter.

agr1279
10-06-09, 22:11
I had a set once. I kept going through batteries due to the fact that the switches would turn on just by getting tossed around in my range bag. I have since change to set of Tac Pros. Auto off and the ability to hook up another source is great. Mowing an acre with them is much more enjoyable when an I-Pod. I bought mine for around $100 from BOSS safety.

Dan

JSGlock34
10-06-09, 23:19
I've had good experience with the Peltor Tactical Pro model. I shoot primarily on indoor ranges, so I prefer more sound protection than offered by the 6S model or Sordin.

Skang
10-07-09, 00:26
i was gonna get this muff too, but maybe people liked MSA Pro-X. So i searched about them.

This is what i read from another forum

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I spoke with one of Sordin's engineers several years ago regarding the effectiveness of their "ears". The bottom line according to him is that the absolute sound attenuation is directly related to the size of the ear cup and is frequency dependant. In the case of Sordin the maximum attenuation was limited by the size of the ear cup that would fit under a helmet.

Sordins do not provide adequate protection by themselves for long term exposure to high noise levels. They are intended for short term exposure particularly when combined with integrated communication equipment.

I use custom fitted plugs with my Sordins and with the volume at max I can hear range commands over a loud speaker but not much more.`

This kinda stops me from buying Pro-X. Because other muffs have higher NRR's.

i dont know, cant decide.

NCPatrolAR
10-07-09, 10:34
Peltor will repair your ear pro if it is within 1 year of you buying them. There are some covers I've seen IDPA guys using that are supposed to help limit the liquid damage to them.


I have a pair of 6S, but I rarely use them now. I typically just use some ComTacs since I prefer the single volume switch.

DJK
10-07-09, 13:53
Peltor will repair your ear pro if it is within 1 year of you buying them. There are some covers I've seen IDPA guys using that are supposed to help limit the liquid damage to them.

Maybe this is what you have seen: http://www.muffsweats.com/product.sc?productId=1&categoryId=1

I have used them for about a year on my Peltor Tactical 7s and they fit great and soak up the sweat.

NCPatrolAR
10-07-09, 15:15
That looks like them

Blake
10-08-09, 00:36
In my experience with 1 of these. Terrible. I didn't have mine 7 or 8 months, and I had problems. One earcup was intermittent, and it went downhill from there. I switched to Sordins, and have been pretty happy. I got the gel cups, but didn't see a huge difference in comfort or muffle, as I expected, but they are still great. I'm considering giving the Peltor ComTac IIs a try.

G-lock
10-08-09, 16:30
The Peltor Sport Tac's solve all the problems the 6s's had. Much better sound cicuitry, external batts, and very long life for the batteries.

79.00 at Botach before the discount.

Jeff

Arclight
10-08-09, 23:34
I have had a pair of these for years and they've had no problems.

I put one soft plug on the rifle side since the stock sometimes pushes up whatever outer earmuff I wear.

I wouldn't dream of taking a class or doing a match with anything other than electronic ears.

C4IGrant
10-09-09, 12:33
I left mine at the range for anyone who wanted them. Like Templar I switched to MSA/Sordins.

Yep, they suck.



C4

DTHN2LGS
10-09-09, 19:31
My Peltor 6s' have been a pain in the ass. I had to send them back for repair once after the warranty expired because they were cutting in and out and static-y (if that's a word). They replaced the circuit boards and charged me for the foam piece that was torn as well. The money would have been better spent going towards a pair of something else.

Just like the guy above said, the switches will turn on just from being carried in the range bag. When you get to the range and put them on, you never know if your batteries are still good and if one or both sides will be dead.

believeraz
10-11-09, 13:01
I went through two pairs of issued Tac6s before I ponied up for Sordin Supreme X, and haven't regretted it. I'll still double up at the range, but I use them solo for other applications.

threebanger
10-11-09, 14:54
I agree that the Tac 6's suck but you can't compare them to Sordins (that's like a Fiero vs. a Ferrari). Now ComTacs or ComTac IIs vs. would be a fair comparison.

SO_THERE_I_WAS
10-21-09, 22:19
I have had a pair of these for years and they've had no problems.

I put one soft plug on the rifle side since the stock sometimes pushes up whatever outer earmuff I wear.

I wouldn't dream of taking a class or doing a match with anything other than electronic ears.

I am with Arclight on this one. I have had a set of 6S's for 4 plus years. The trick has always been to dry em out and take the batteries out. I do however want a set of Sordins.

So There I Was...

3is
11-28-09, 17:56
one tip.
since I spent the last 20 minutes trying to get the vinyl/foam off watching the video helped. But I would say when you reach in for the inner ring to disassemble, don't pull out but pry with a can crushing motion. now...i have to buy a hygiene kit replace my torn foam. crap.