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PA PATRIOT
10-14-09, 08:28
I see a common failure to equip any type of restraining devices with most battle rigs. I appears most here surmise that they will shoot at any hostile action to wards them but what about the hostile which surrenders or follows your commands to disarm? What do you do with them so you can leave the area without further threat?
I use Commercial grade Zip-Ties which are light weight, easy to carry and are strong enough to fit and restrain just about anyone.
I agree, I have 1 pair of hinged and 1 pair of chained S&W Cuffs along with 3 Flex-Cuff brand zip ties in my tactical gear. Being able to take a prisoner or restrain and leave in a SHTF situation is a good option if you are trained in it.
Gutshot John
10-14-09, 09:26
If you're a cop I'm sure it's all well and good but I wouldn't bother to attempt to cuff an invader by myself nor let anyone I know get near him.
If you're a cop I'm sure it's all well and good but I wouldn't bother to attempt to cuff an invader by myself nor let anyone I know get near him.
I have to agree. Short of me cuffing a corpse just to be sure, I don't want to be approaching anyone and trying to cuff them. Cuffing a resisting person is a nightmare even with training. Watch an episode of Cops and see how hard it can be when the person doesn't want to be cuffed.
I guess you could make an argument for tossing him the cuffs and telling him to cuff himself, but what if he doesn't? He's now tested your resolve and started to tip the pissing contest in his favor. Only a matter of time before he decides you won't shoot and rushes you.
Only a matter of time before he decides you won't shoot and rushes you.
And... Now he has your cuffs.
Mil and LEO, definitely. Almost always a good idea to have some sort of restraint or lesser force option, especially in the LEO end of the spectrum.
Civ for HD and SHTF, probably not a bad idea, but not without some training or at least practice.
Gutshot John
10-14-09, 10:01
And... Now he has your cuffs.
More importantly he has your gun.
Not a risk I'm willing to take even if I had the proper training.
During checkpoints and patrols if my squad had to detain someone, there would be a cover man and a search man. At least two people were required to restrain a tango/unknown. Being back home, I'm not an LEO and do not carry restraints with me. Nor would I ever attempt to restrain someone by myself, for safety purposes.
Agreed,
Don't cuff without training. Don't cuff without some means of securing your weapon out of bad guy's reach (and still within yours). And if possible, don't cuff alone.
But sometimes cuffing alone is just what you gotta do. I might be solo, facing a combative non deadly threat, or holding my corner alone, when the need to cuff comes up. The main problem I see with holding BG at gunpoint for a while while waiting for the cavalry to arrive is that BG has enough time to assess his own situation, scan the scene, size you up, make a plan, etc. Yes, if its reasonable, wait it out, but there are enough circumstances that I can think of that make having a set of cuffs in a defense or SHTF kit worthwhile.
Gutshot John
10-14-09, 11:19
But sometimes cuffing alone is just what you gotta do.
Why?
I might be solo, facing a combative non deadly threat, or holding my corner alone, when the need to cuff comes up.
Again why? You've got a disarmed threat on the ground, covered. Wait for the pros, if you've got room to retreat, bug out.
The main problem I see with holding BG at gunpoint for a while while waiting for the cavalry to arrive is that BG has enough time to assess his own situation, scan the scene, size you up, make a plan, etc. Yes, if its reasonable, wait it out, but there are enough circumstances that I can think of that make having a set of cuffs in a defense or SHTF kit worthwhile.
The assailant has already "scanned and assessed" and assaulted you. He may rethink his tactical options when disarmed and face down on the ground, but he's not going to be able to execute anything assuming you don't do something stupid like approach and try and cuff him.
Too many "ifs" there to make your conclusion worthwhile. If the fucker moves and tries to execute a plan, he's dead. Sorry asshole you were warned, I'll take my chances with the cops. If you've put your weapon where he can't get to it, than you've effectively disarmed yourself as well. Why surrender the tactical advantage of being armed with standoff distance to restrain someone?
If we're talking SHTF and society has collapsed and there is no LEO to speak of so the point is moot and if it were me he's dead. I'm not taking any chances cuffing him.
Handcuffs however might serve a purpose for restraining someone you might otherwise not want to shoot and who only poses a threat to themselves, but otherwise you're a lot safer being armed from a significant distance.
Dirk Williams
10-14-09, 11:29
A semi handcuffed citizen swinging a set of cuffs is a well armed citizen. The cuff hook at speed can crush a skull.
DDW
"Why?"
You might be all kitted up, looking for or waiting for a deadly threat, when suddenly a non deadly threat pops up. You might have to use deadly force on one subject, then worry about dealing with more non deadly threats that suddenly become hostile to you.
You also might be a hell of a ways away from backup. More time for someone to hatch a plan. see below
This might apply to civ as well as mil and leo scenarios.
"Again why?"
B/c I might be the one coming to back up the guy who's got someone else covered. Once your backup, pro or not, gets there, someone has to go hands on. Depending on the circumstances, it might be you. Chances are, it will be me, since I'm the "pro" (i guess) of which you speak.
As for the assailant already scanning and assessing, well, once you've ordered him to the ground, he starts a whole new cycle in OODA, as have you. Seasoned thugs might take the time to prepare to assault you if you approach, true. They might also look for a weapon of opportunity, look to see where you are (they might have only heard you- shift position if need be). They might also choose to bug out. Letting them go may or may not be a viable option in these scenarios.
Your non deadly but combative threat might be a speedbump on the way to a greater threat down the hall. Can't shoot him, but don't want him following, or fighting, or just don't want to deal with him later on.
There's SHTF and SHTF. You can define SHTF as society collapsing and the justice system no longer functioning. You can also define it as zombies taking over the mall. On a slightly more likely, and no less dangerous note, it can also be a gunman in school/mall/office scenario. Yes, I'll be gunning for the shooter in such a scenario, but I might get bogged down with someone else who just wants to fight or get in the way. If they're not involved with or assisting the primary threat (and I'm not in the vicinity to deal with it) out come the cuffs. On duty they're on the belt, off duty in a cuff case or in the murse. Cuff said citizen, and catch up with the team or carry on otherwise.
If I have flex cuffs, they can also serve other purposes, so they're nice to have anyway.
"Too many ifs there to make your conclusion worthwhile"
That's the thing! I'm not really making a conclusion. I'm leaving my options open in case my bad guy problem can't be solved with high speed metal. My cuff pouch on my tac belt takes up 3 rows of MOLLE space at 7 o'clock, and I can hide a pair on me off Duty. Cuffs give me an option if I can't legally or morally justify shooting someone off duty or at home (some states are funny like that). I also have cuffs in my nightstand (not fuzzy).
I see your point though Gutshot.
"Handcuffs however might serve a purpose for restraining someone you might otherwise not want to shoot and who only poses a threat to themselves, but otherwise you're a lot safer being armed from a significant distance."
My point exactly. Sooner or later whoever you just intercepted will have to be detained. Makes sense that someone should have a means of doing so on them. And yes, cuffing someone takes training and practice. Its not always so simple as rushing up and throwing a pair on.
DDW: Cuffed people can be dangerous. I have some good experience with this. A partially or improperly cuffed person can be especially so.
Hmm.
Rail mounted tazer...
During checkpoints and patrols if my squad had to detain someone, there would be a cover man and a search man. At least two people were required to restrain a tango/unknown. Being back home, I'm not an LEO and do not carry restraints with me. Nor would I ever attempt to restrain someone by myself, for safety purposes.
This. We always have someone covering the guy searching/cuffing in case the individual decides to get brave.
Agreed. I think the problem comes when everyone sets up to be the shooter or cover guy, and no one brought the restraints. In cpekz's and AK's cases (thank you both for your service by the way) I imagine that everyone had at least something to use to tie the guy down in case they weren't posted on cover. SOMEONE's gotta have them. might as well be you. If someone else did, oh well...two is one...
Dirk Williams
10-14-09, 13:00
Interesting review. off duty I have never carried a pair of cuffs. I carry one pistol and one extra mag. ID's in my wallet I don't even carry a badge off duty. " I do have a very complete war bag in my POV" I'm a great witness, and would rather remain a witness unless someone is getting hurt or killed.
My back up is to get me out of the shit, not to get in the shit. Let em run, If I can id them I can get a warrant and come back with lots of real agressive help.
I have a taser, I don't carry the taser except on warrants and sure gigs. I'm a resident deputy way out in BFE and a bit old fashion. Ive seen too many of the kids take a fucking taser to a knife or gun fight.
Where I work if I were to deploy a taser and had a failure of any kind, then the turd is on me "21 Feet", and it's one on one. No back up for at least an hour. I have had a turd break away and swing cuffs at me in an agressive manner.
That was back in the day we still carried real wooden sticks, real long wooden sticks. He and I had a come to jesus meeting, He saw the light, and became a model arrestee.
Cuffing is a very critical point of any contact. Any time we lay hands on someone we are at risk of assault, and from the legal system. Do it right and you will have no worries.
Dirk
Spot on Dirk.
If you can avoid getting involved as an off duty cop or CCW, all the better. I'm talking about assaults and shootings; I refuse to chase down a shoplifter at the mall. Sometimes, though, one can't just be a good witness, and we might face assault, but not from a deadly threat. If I'm helping an on-duty cop, I might have to be the cuffer, another reason to carry them if you can. I carry my badge, too. If I shoot someone, I can at least hold up a shiny badge for all to see (might calm the bystanders down- a little more than an ID that can't be read from far away) and comply with the responding officers. The shiny badge should give them at least a moment of pause.
I just like having options beyond "shoot and run." From a tactical perspective, I can conceive of the need to detain someone who might not be a deadly threat. From a legal perspective, I'd like to be able to show that I have a means other than shooting to stop a non-deadly threat. Its the old "if all you have is a hammer, you'll see every problem as a nail" argument. We (cops where I live) also need to cuff people we shoot, if its tactically safe to do so.
Dirk, I think you're right about bringing a taser to a knife/gun/stick fight. Especially in your scenario, being so far from backup. County deputies have my undying respect.
I've had a back cuffed guy try to take my gun. We, too, had a come to Jesus conference. Guest speakers came, too.
BLACK LION
10-14-09, 16:11
I have cuffs and zip ties but only plan on using them on an incapacitated body... Especially in a civillian role alone, with no back-up...
My younger brother has to battle this issue since he is "moonlighting" as private security/loss mitigation... In his case he must restrain the perp without intentionally injuring them....I always ask WTF? They want him to tackle and detain people but not hurt them... OK...
When I train with him we work on how to do it(since he has no choice but to do it).... Its a fubar situation that I wouldnt wish on anyone... We are walking on egg shells here...
When you look at literally hog tying another human you leave too much up to size, speed and strength as Rob mentioned(in a way) above... If the threat has you on any of those you can be screwed in a heartbeat... If you have to restrain someone then there is no other way to do it but as unfairly as possible by exploiting weakness... tase em, blind em, spray em, dump em, choke em, bean bag em or what ever you can do to set up success.... Its already fucked up scenario but but you gotta get in there and get it done...
FYI crennelated bezels on flashlights work very well on getting people to do what you want, big or small. Just press and twist... :)
Speaking as a 22+ year street cop, and a DT/Handcuffing instructor, my advice is to consider cuffing one of the most dangerous things you can do in an arrest and control situation.
Cuffing without someone to back you up should be reserved for truly exigent circumstances.
Isn't a civilian cuffing someone considered kidnapping or something? I think I'd be more inclined to hold someone at gunpoint. If they ran away, oh well, and if they ran at me, oh well...
Isn't a civilian cuffing someone considered kidnapping or something? I think I'd be more inclined to hold someone at gunpoint. If they ran away, oh well, and if they ran at me, oh well...
my thought also :)
not sure about the original post ?
are we talking civilian or LEO person ? normal life or SHTF etc..
if SHTF then rules are out and its about protecting my family I am not about to let anyone walk away cause I want to sleep better knowing someone knows I am not willing to kill them to protect my family and they will be back when hungry enough for what they wanted the first time around.
daily life as we know it now ? I am a civilian and not about to detain anyone thats for the pros
PA PATRIOT
10-15-09, 09:44
I raised this question because it appeared that most have the mind set that one can just shoot everyone they encounter during a H/D or SHTF event. Armed hostiles may disarm and stand there, a unarmed looter who maybe looking for food to feed the wife and kids may surrender when you catch him kicking on the back door. During a Home defense situation most likely the Po-Po wont take more then a half hour to reach you but what about a limited SHTF event were the police are not able to come assist you? We all will have to answer for are actions at one point or another when the local authorities take control of the event. Killing someone is a life altering event to say the least when totally justified, what about the gray area encounters when you know that other measures could have handled the situation. My reasoning is to prepare for other then "Blast Away" encounters so if the event arises you have the option to use less then dead force tactics when needed.
Cuffing doesn't equal kidnapping. It equals detaining. Civilians detain people a lot, look at private security and loss prevention types. Its a question of why you detain them, and what you do with them afterwards.
In my state at least, and I'm sure others too, you can't shoot someone just because they come at you. Even if they come at you, you hold them at gunpoint, they comply for a while, then come at you again, its not necessarily a good shoot. Its a gray area at best, legally and on a personal/moral level.
In a lot of SHTF incidents, as some have pointed out, the authorities may not be making house calls in the traditional sense. That means that you might be holding someone at gunpoint for a long time if you don't have a plan in place. You might not want to stay in the same area as your bad guy for a long time, especially if he's in your house. You're pretty much attached to someone who you don't secure, one way or another. At least if he's cuffed or detained, you don't have to keep a gun on him, and can look for other threats. Yeah, you really don't want to do this alone, but shit happens. And like Phila said, it may not be someone who you can legally or personally justify shooting just for trying, or for running away. However, in these scenarios, the authorities are usually in the area, and have set up shop somewhere. So, you might have to go to them to get rid of the guy. 2 pairs of flex cuffs, one pair pre-looped, one pair loose, are cheap, lightweight, and don't take up too much space. Just gives you options.
Great Discussion!
I raised this question because it appeared that most have the mind set that one can just shoot everyone they encounter during a H/D or SHTF event. Armed hostiles may disarm and stand there, a unarmed looter who maybe looking for food to feed the wife and kids may surrender when you catch him kicking on the back door. During a Home defense situation most likely the Po-Po wont take more then a half hour to reach you but what about a limited SHTF event were the police are not able to come assist you? We all will have to answer for are actions at one point or another when the local authorities take control of the event. Killing someone is a life altering event to say the least when totally justified, what about the gray area encounters when you know that other measures could have handled the situation. My reasoning is to prepare for other then "Blast Away" encounters so if the event arises you have the option to use less then dead force tactics when needed.
It's not a bad point, overall. I think most of us are just being cautious as trying to cuff or detain someone could lead to much worse situations than standing there with the gun on him.
It's certainly an interesting topic. I've become more and more interested lately in having the ability to make holes (shoot), plug holes (med supplies/training) and prevent holes (armor), so adding a way to at least be prepared for a detainment situation probably isn't a bad thing if space is available.
At the very least this thread has people thinking about it, and making plans for the possibility or deciding not to, but at least they acknowledge it and address it in whatever way they feel is best. I love this forum for threads like this. Those "hey, I never thought of that" topics are great.
Hmm.
Rail mounted tazer...
No way... Do some checking on sympathetic discharges. I highly doubt citizens with minimal training would have the presence of mind to consider this factor during high stress, much less LEO's with various training levels. I do not know of any current training developed to deal with this reaction. This is the same reason that rail mounted flashlights with a trigger have largely been determined to be a bad idea.
But's a new spin/meaning on the words Flashbang...
Bottom line, as a Joe Schmoe citizen. I am not cuffing anyone unless I have back up or I let the pros handle it. If someone was in my home and I got the drop on them and had to detain them. They are going to be face down on the ground, hands on the back of their head, fingers interlocked, with their legs out and crossed. This of course while my muzzle is on them.
I'd consider cuffing someone who was compliant enought to lay on the ground at my command, and I didn't have a phone on me to get patrol to my location.
Having a person cuff himself isn't an option due to the point made about the cuffs making a nasty weapon.
As stated, there are a lot of "ifs" to the question....
Is the guy some little meth tard? Is he built like Mike Tyson? Things like that are going to impact how confident I am with lowering my weapon.
Knowing how to cuff efficiently is important too. You don't want to be fumble fucking around and have a guy change his mind when he figures out that you don't know what you're doing. If you might deploy cuffs, you should practice with them every so often using sound methods.
Oh yeah... You should also know how to tighten and double lock your cuffs correctly. If you end up injuring your prisoner, you can bet your ass he'll sue. We were taught the example of the Surgeon who was taken to jail by the police. The surgeon was being a real prick so the cop put the cuffs on tight. The surgeon suffered nerve dammage and sued the piss out of the agency.
I would love to ask my brother the ins and outs of this since he is a lawyer who works as a state prosecutor as sometimes he has a dif view on things
I think I understand there can be moments to do this ?
here is a good one
SHTF a 11 year old kicks in your door looking for food !!!
YIKES what do you do ? since his father is down the street waiting for him to bring the food back ?
so you cuff him let him go and he comes back with his dad and a few buds and is now armed and knows you are going to delay your shooting
you might end up dead cause of this ?
or you might make the dad happy and say sorry things are so bad I did wrong and I owe you for saving my son !!!!
sadly if SHTF bad enough for people to be out looking for food I am going to be more worried about repeat offenders !!!
this also brings the point if you kill someone will the friends etc... then come after you ?
again this is such a huge what if scenario its hard to say and is just to broad and huge I think :)
Most restraint options will land a civilian in legal trouble. This is certainly the case in Florida.
-B
Most restraint options will land a civilian in legal trouble. This is certainly the case in Florida.
-B
The County I live in, LEO's get in trouble for using their taser and OC spray. We're talking about professionals with training getting in trouble for deploying them. I can't imagine what would happen if a Civilian with no training tried to cuff or use less than lethal items. Also this county has a no chase policy for vehicles...:rolleyes:
At home Mace and Duct Tape.
Oh, yeah, the taser picatinny mount...
I also recall seeing an OC dispenser mounted to a handgun rail, kinda like a weaponlight. Didn't see that idea taking off.
I guess when it comes down to it, I'm in favor of having a means of restraining someone if one is going to be away from the authorities for an extended period of time. probably not so much for home defense (there is a learning curve with most restraints), but I still see their merit in a SHTF scenario.
"Most restraint options will land a civilian in legal trouble..." -So will shooting someone. Beatable? Sure, but no less inconvenient, stressful, and expensive. Again, just having options is nice.
GlockMasterG9
10-17-09, 08:17
my thought also :)
not sure about the original post ?
are we talking civilian or LEO person ? normal life or SHTF etc..
if SHTF then rules are out and its about protecting my family I am not about to let anyone walk away cause I want to sleep better knowing someone knows I am not willing to kill them to protect my family and they will be back when hungry enough for what they wanted the first time around.
daily life as we know it now ? I am a civilian and not about to detain anyone thats for the pros
Agreed it's an easy decision in a SHTF situation ........they get dead period!
I'd consider cuffing someone who was compliant enought to lay on the ground at my command, and I didn't have a phone on me to get patrol to my location.
This is the reason I keep a set of flexicuffs in my car, and have ever since I got my concealed carry permit. One problem though, I was never trained to use them when they were issued, so I'm hoping they are as easy to use as they seem. Can anyone offer advice on their use that may be differ from standard hand cuff principles? Obviously there are no double locks, but do you need to leave a finger's gap when tightening?
I too have thought about the legality of detaining someone. If you are holding someone at gun point, you are effectively detaining them, so the concern should lie in applying a proportionate use of force. If you feel you are justified to even draw your gun, then de-escalating the situation by cuffing should be considered proportionate. As I have been taught, you have to be able to justify your use of force and express your justification. "For your safety and mine" is a phrase I learned when making contact with a subject, and I should think it would apply as part of a justification.
Any legal types and LE feel free to critique me, as it can only help me.
From your post it sounds like you've had regular handcuff training. If that's the case, most of the same principles apply. Yes, leave some space around the wrist; they're not meant to go on too tight.
Also, keep your ready pair already looped. It will keep you from trying to thread the little locking hole while in the middle of detaining someone. It annoys me when I see other cops walking around with flexcuffs looped through their duty gear. Its not that easy or fast to pull them out and loop them.
Obviously there are no double locks, but do you need to leave a finger's gap when tightening?
Flex cuffs are a short term restraint. The double lock feature is really more critical because of the way regular cuffs work.
I'd definitely leave the finger gap. I'd also consider putting a tool to cut them off in your vehicle too. That way when the police show up you could cut them off when they put their cuffs on. You probably don't want to be dependent on anyone else to undo what you've done.
Do not cuff anybody unless you have atleast two other people (men) to help. You don't know if the bad guy is some type of ninja. It doesn't matter how muscular they are or if they are even male or female. Nobody knows what type of hand-to-hand skills they have.
You trying to cuff them opens up a whole new set of scenarios that can turn negative for you like struggling with the person, struggling over your gun, getting beat up with the cuffs, getting beat up hand-to-hand, getting shot and killed with your own gun, etc. You going up to the bad guy gambles all these scenarios and you have very little to zero to gain by cuffing him.
General rule that we all must remember and I know most of us do, but nobody has come out to say it: The closer you are to the bad guy, the more danger you are in.
It annoys me when I see other cops walking around with flexcuffs looped through their duty gear. Its not that easy or fast to pull them out and loop them.
Patrol officers can't walk around with pre-loaded flex cuffs. Not going to work. I carry them threaded through my belt so that I can use them for other situations that require anchoring a person's cuffs behind them so they can't bring them in front. I use them for when I run out of handcuffs for special situations. In order for them to be able to be used, they must be carried. and they won't get carried if they have to be pre-looped. It doesn't take more than a second to pull it out and thread it. So I'm not sure where you're coming from with your annoyance.
My experience is that threading flex cuffs is a fine motor skill, which often requires the officer to actually look at the cuffs to do right. Having watched officers actually stop moving in the middle of a disturbance to loop them, I made up my mind to have them pre-looped.
If you're already on to flex cuffs, there's too much going on to be stopping to thread and loop the cuffs. At the point that the flexcuffs are needed, its when you have already run out of metal ones or its bedlam regardless. In such a case, its not advisable to stop, pull them out of your belt, and try to thread them with your fine motor skills. If, in your case, you're carrying another strip for other uses, good for you. Good thinking.
I recommend either putting them in your cargo pockets (if you're lucky enough to have cargo pockets), or in the front trauma plate pocket of your vest. In these two spots you should be able to carry a pair pre-looped. If not, keep them on a carabiner in your car, and hook up the carabiner when you get to the call.
That's where my annoyance is coming from;)
Scotty, You're right. Lots of variables, and cuffing should not be done alone if at all possible. And I can agree that it almost definitely shouldn't be done in a basic home defense scenario. However, something has to be done at some point. It seems like a lot of people here have the idea that if you prone someone out, they're done, and if they get up and go for you, you'll shoot them. It just doesn't seem that easy. Just because you have the cuffs doesn't mean that you have to use them or consider them. It only gives you an option if you want to keep someone from moving, and you don't want have to keep a gun on them, and you don't want to or can't to shoot them for whatever reason. You might not have two other people (men). You might want a plan so that you're not holding them at gunpoint till Doomsday. Your bad guy might be proned out in front of your exit. You might have your three guys and no means of restraining someone, since everyone brought ammo and no cuffs. Boy, that would suck.
Civ for HD and SHTF, probably not a bad idea, but not without some training or at least practice.
The one problem I see with civies is after shooting the BG, the prosecutor always coming back to the fact that you did not use your cuffs in the first place. Of course "you" may have tried, but they will look at this as not going through an escalation of force.
My experience is that threading flex cuffs is a fine motor skill, which often requires the officer to actually look at the cuffs to do right. Having watched officers actually stop moving in the middle of a disturbance to loop them, I made up my mind to have them pre-looped.
If you're already on to flex cuffs, there's too much going on to be stopping to thread and loop the cuffs. At the point that the flexcuffs are needed, its when you have already run out of metal ones or its bedlam regardless. In such a case, its not advisable to stop, pull them out of your belt, and try to thread them with your fine motor skills. If, in your case, you're carrying another strip for other uses, good for you. Good thinking.
I recommend either putting them in your cargo pockets (if you're lucky enough to have cargo pockets), or in the front trauma plate pocket of your vest. In these two spots you should be able to carry a pair pre-looped. If not, keep them on a carabiner in your car, and hook up the carabiner when you get to the call.
That's where my annoyance is coming from;)
If we're down to the point of using flex cuffs, to be honest there are a lot of guys proned out and help is on the way or there. There shouldn't need to be any stress involved. It's nice to have them pre-looped, but if not, there shouldn't be an this huge need for speed and an adrenaline dump-it's all systematic. How do your guys safety/double lock cuffs? If they can do that (Fine motor skill), there is no problem threading flex cuffs. I'm not a big believer in the emphasis in fine vs gross motor skills. Hitting your mag release on your weapon is a fine motor skill, but seems to get overlooked, as are others.
I have enough stuff to grab, I'd rather not have to clip a carabiner to my duty belt each time I go on scene, and back at the squad isn't always helpful in my environment. It's also one more thing to snag while moving through a house. Cargo pockets are one method, but not available for everyone. The same for vest trauma pockets. Another good idea to take advantage of, if it's possible. There are trauma pockets that are unfortunately not accessible through the top of the carrier with some vest models.
I'm a regular guy, I can't see any situation that would have me going hands on for the purpose of cuffing someone. They will be given two choices:
1) Turn and leave.
2) Stay and get shot.
Then I will un-ass the area, with a couple backtracks to make sure no one is trailing me.
I'm a regular guy, I can't see any situation that would have me going hands on for the purpose of cuffing someone. They will be given two choices:
1) Turn and leave.
2) Stay and get shot.
Then I will un-ass the area, with a couple backtracks to make sure no one is trailing me.
And I agree 100%. But, I like to think about what I'd do if I couldn't give those 2 options, or if I don't want to un-ass my own area.
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