View Full Version : BUIS: KAC 200-600 micro or Troy?
Bill Bryant
11-06-09, 18:51
Do y'all think one of these is preferable to the other overall, or would one or the other be the top choice in certain specific situations? CQB? Primary sight on a non-optic KISS carbine? Anti-coyote truck carbine? Iron sight hunting rig?
Belmont31R
11-06-09, 19:22
Do y'all think one of these is preferable to the other overall, or would one or the other be the top choice in certain specific situations? CQB? Primary sight on a non-optic KISS carbine? Anti-coyote truck carbine? Iron sight hunting rig?
I prefer the KAC because its skinnier where the CH is. I find the Troy sticks out a bit far, and can hinder getting a good grasp on the CH. Just too wide around the aperture for me....The KAC is skinner, and doesnt stick out past the top of the receiver like the Troy does.
I prefer the KAC as the previous poster said its skinnier but the peep is finer for more precise sight picture plus adjustable for elevation on the fly. The Troy is great but the default peep when you flip it up is the ghost ring.
SWATcop556
11-07-09, 03:31
If it's a fighting gun the Troy will work just fine. I've never had an issue with them interfering with the CH.
For a more precise BUIS the KAC gets the nod.
I guess one or the other fits different needs you listed. What's the primary use for the rifle?
I would personally go with the KAC as I've broken 2 of the Troy. My gear gets pretty beat on, but thats how it goes sometimes. I know lots of guys who have never had any trouble with their Troy units.
KAC
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Do y'all think one of these is preferable to the other overall, or would one or the other be the top choice in certain specific situations? CQB? Primary sight on a non-optic KISS carbine? Anti-coyote truck carbine? Iron sight hunting rig?
Go for the KAC. It's everything you'll need and IIRC you cannot store the Troy with the small apperature ready. You would have to flip up the rear sight and then flip to the small apperature or take it apart and reverse it.
Troy. Robust as all hell and you have a choice of apertures.
Troy. Robust as all hell and you have a choice of apertures.
+1. You can order the rear from Troy with a reverse appeture.
Bill Bryant
11-07-09, 11:38
What's the primary use for the rifle?At this point the rifle's primary use is helping my son get familiar with the 5.56mm platform before going to USMC boot camp in June. Later it will probably become a truck gun for helping local ranchers with coyote control.
I would personally go with the KAC as I've broken 2 of the Troy. My gear gets pretty beat on, but thats how it goes sometimes. I know lots of guys who have never had any trouble with their Troy units.
What did you manage to break on your Troy sights? Did they take care of it for you?
I own a couple of each and while they are both good choices I definitely prefer the KAC.
KAC. Received mine today and am quite impressed with this little thing. Notably how solid it feels despite it's very small size.
Bill Bryant
11-07-09, 18:47
KAC. Received mine today and am quite impressed with this little thing. Notably how solid it feels despite it's very small size.It's all steel I take it?
It's all steel I take it?
I don't have it at hand at the moment and am in noway knowledgable in materials but I will say "it felt like it." Having used KAC products while on active duty and nowadays in law enforcement I have never had an issue nor been given any reason to question their product's durability and reliability. With this new BUIS, I don't foresee that changing.
What did you manage to break on your Troy sights? Did they take care of it for you?
I doubt anyone would have problems with Troy returning anything that breaks. The first one fell apart, the second one won't extend up into a usable position, it grinds to a stop around the halfway mark.
Like I said, I've got Murphy riding my back when it comes to dealing with equipment, I tend to break a lot of things.
Why are people so worried about flipping back and forth between apertures? If you need to take that longer distance shot then you probably have time to flip between the apertures.
If time is so crucial that flipping between the small and large will get you killed, then why are you bothering to in the first place?
It's all steel I take it?
From the looks of it, the whole thing is MIM'd except for the claw and pinch bolt. I wonder if members will start hating on the KAC 600m rear sight like they took to LMT for their gas key?
At this point the rifle's primary use is helping my son get familiar with the 5.56mm platform before going to USMC boot camp in June. Later it will probably become a truck gun for helping local ranchers with coyote control.
As a training tool the Troy would be closer to the A2 sight that your son would be learning on in the Corps.
Anyone know who has the KAC 300m micros in stock?
decodeddiesel
11-09-09, 17:28
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this is going to be an iron sighted only gun correct?
What's wrong with a good old A2 carrying handle? :confused:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this is going to be an iron sighted only gun correct?
What's wrong with a good old A2 carrying handle? :confused:
If its not going to be a flattop, I would find an A1 upper and be happy.
decodeddiesel
11-09-09, 18:00
If its not going to be a flattop, I would find an A1 upper and be happy.
The only reason I would suggest an A2 is for compatibility with current .mil issue, but you're right Stick if it were a dedicated iron sight rifle than A1 would be a great choice.
As a training tool the Troy would be closer to the A2 sight that your son would be learning on in the Corps.
+1 - i love my Troy
Bill Bryant
11-09-09, 19:29
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this is going to be an iron sighted only gun correct?
What's wrong with a good old A2 carrying handle? :confused:It'll be an iron sight only gun for a while, I'm afraid, but I imagine there's an Aimpoint in the not too distant future. If I go with an A2 carry handle, when the Aimpoint goes on I'd have to lose the carry handle and get a BUIS.
Bill Bryant
11-09-09, 19:30
If its not going to be a flattop, I would find an A1 upper and be happy.It's already a flattop, so the A1 upper is no longer an option.
It'll be an iron sight only gun for a while, I'm afraid, but I imagine there's an Aimpoint in the not too distant future. If I go with an A2 carry handle, when the Aimpoint goes on I'd have to lose the carry handle and get a BUIS.
you can chop yours into a buis thats similiar to the LMT
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decodeddiesel
11-09-09, 23:39
This is what I did as well...
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I think whatever BUIS sights i am using, fixed or flip-up, i would prefer to have the larger ghost ring peep aperature be my default aperature for 0-200 yds.
Anyone know who has the KAC 300m micros in stock?
+1 I'd like to know as well.
I just bought a Troy sight. It has a slight cant to the left, is that normal?
The sight when extended does wobble left to right a little too.
The aperture design is more like the A1 sight to me.
The Troy rear sights that came on my Noveskes have no cant or wobble.
I've got four sets of Troy Battle sights and none of them wobble, cant or do anything other than operate exactly how they are supposed to.
I would say that if you are having a problem, you should contact Troy direct.
I just bought a Troy sight. It has a slight cant to the left, is that normal?
The sight when extended does wobble left to right a little too.
The aperture design is more like the A1 sight to me.
A few years back there was a problem with cant, but it shouldn't be an issue with new ones. Did you pick up one that is used?
I got the Troy sight new from Grant last week it was still sealed in Troy's packaging.
I assume G&R sells lots of them, I would guess it's current production.
I will contact Troy and see what they say.
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