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So I went to lube my barrel this morning. I separated the upper took out the bcg and ch and put in my bore guide. Soaked a patch put it on the jag on my dewey rod and tried to feed it thru. Once it the patch gets to the smaller end of the bore guide it gets really tight and i really have to force it thru. Then after I passed the boreguide there were a couple times i really had to force the patch thru bore. Is this normal? The patches are .22-.27 is that too big? I'm pretty worried about this. Did I do damage to the bore? My main concern is that the jag was some how scratching it up
Was the jag metal or plastic? Brass rod?
My understanding of metals (very very very limited, and I could be 100% wrong) are that softer metals have an extremely hard time scratching harder metals, and a bore is pretty damn hard. If you can fire thousands of rounds of Copper/lead/steal ammo through it, I think one forced patched will be okay.
I had the same problem when I bought my rifle. I used a patch that was too large and it was a BITCH to push through. Bent the rod and everything. Just trim your patches down. I use about .5 inch strips, I just have to use more that usual.
Belmont31R
11-14-09, 00:20
Normal....
And good choice on the dewey rod. They are the best...
Was the jag metal or plastic? Brass rod? .
nylon rod brass jag. yeah thats what im afraid of that it couldve bent the rod so that the jag was scratching up the side
I just picked up the dewey rod today. I have reservations using the brass jag so I'm opting to use a nylon jag. Using a JT bore guide too.
A little off topic.. Is a bore snake never to be used?
nylon rod brass jag. yeah thats what im afraid of that it couldve bent the rod so that the jag was scratching up the side
You could lay the rod on a flat surface and roll it to see if it's bent, but I seriously doubt that's the case.
A little off topic.. Is a bore snake never to be used?
I use a bore snake in my rifles including ARs. The brush is softer than your bore steel or chrome lining and should not cause a problem. Ditto with a brass end weight you drop down through.
The reason for using a bore guide with a rod is so that the rod itself does not impact the rifle bore or chamber or muzzle and cause a steel -- steel connection.
I use a bore snake in my rifles including ARs. The brush is softer than your bore steel or chrome lining and should not cause a problem. Ditto with a brass end weight you drop down through.
The reason for using a bore guide with a rod is so that the rod itself does not impact the rifle bore or chamber or muzzle and cause a steel -- steel connection.
thanks eguns.. I finish cleaning the bore and there always seems to be more to clean. I run a patch of light amount break free clp down the bore, then a snake, then break free again after. I'm not sure that's an acceptable method but it seems work ok. a light app of break seems to help the snake get a good start.
Thomas M-4
11-14-09, 23:16
I use a bore snake in my rifles including ARs. The brush is softer than your bore steel or chrome lining and should not cause a problem. Ditto with a brass end weight you drop down through.
The reason for using a bore guide with a rod is so that the rod itself does not impact the rifle bore or chamber or muzzle and cause a steel -- steel connection.
+1 I use a bore snake too good stuff no worries about scratching your bore.
The Bore Snake is a great method for field expedient cleaning. Eventually you will want to use standard cleaning protocols though.
The method OTIS uses for their cleaning kits works well and it's easy on the barrel too. Brass on chrome.
Belmont31R
11-15-09, 22:26
The Bore Snake is a great method for field expedient cleaning. Eventually you will want to use standard cleaning protocols though.
I only use a rod after 2-3k rounds. Other than that its just a Bore Snake.
i've used the 1-1/8" x1-1/8 patches from sinclair int. for years in my .22 caliber bores,,, perfect fit. usually the first one is a touch stiffer starting, but after the bore is wet, the rest go right thru, and fell plenty snug
Normal....
And good choice on the dewey rod. They are the best...
DEWEY RULES!!! I have a 30 cal, a 22 cal, and a short one for pistol. ***I'm not an expert on this***, but I suspect that you shouldn't worry too much about a scratched bore if your groups are ok. I knew a guy who used to shoot master scores in dcm matches with an AR. He had a scratched bore. He was amazed it was shooting so well. ***I may be 100% wrong*** but it might not be an issue unless your groups suck. You can probably just get a bore light and see if it's scratched. There will be a small almost unnoticeable hole where the gas ports up to the gas tube.
The crown is something u wanna be careful with, so be careful when cleaning the bore.
whiterabbit05
11-16-09, 15:30
Reason why I don't like to use jags, too damn tight pushing it through.
I always use nylon brushes/tips to minimize damage to the bore as much as possible.
The commercial patches listed for various bore sizes are not necessarily the right size just because they label them as such. They are usually too large. I usually cut my own, and the .30 caliber ones I bought one time had to be cut to even come close to fitting down a .308 bore using a Dewey rod and jag.
Also, I use Lucas bore/rod guides so the removeable centering end is placed on the rod before the patch is applied to the jag. Then they are run into the rod guide together. If the patch is too difficult to push through the bore, the patch is too large. Experiment a little and find a patch size that provides some friction but still allows fair movement...just my 2 cents.
The commercial patches listed for various bore sizes are not necessarily the right size just because they label them as such. They are usually too large. I usually cut my own, and the .30 caliber ones I bought one time had to be cut to even come close to fitting down a .308 bore using a Dewey rod and jag.
It also depends on how you are pushing them through. A looped end will use a larger patch than a jag for the same caliber.
It sounds like I did a "No-No" using the steel rod that came with the Kleen Bore AR15/M16 field cleaning kit I bought. :mad::(
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