QuikClot Products

[MIKE G]

On the shelf:

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QuikClot Combat Gauze at Austere Provisions Company (http://www.austereprovisions.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=QC-GAUZE&Click=21)

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QuikClot ACS+ (Advanced Clotting Sponge) at Austere Provisions Company (http://www.austereprovisions.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=QC-ACS&Click=21)

Just got this stuff in this afternoon. Celox products will be in on Monday or Tuesday if you prefer that brand. Both are good products in my opinion. I prefer the Gauze (Celox or QC) but I know some providers have preference with the other delivery devices.

[PlatoCATM]

Are there any advantages to one over the other? I figure I need to add one of these to my IC3 kit and I'm not sure what the differences are in application and/or function.

[Iraq Ninja]

I use both. If I had to choose just one, get the gauze .The military guys at my location only carry the gauze. Might be a good idea to carry regular vacuum sealed gauze for both and I think Mike sells those also.

[MIKE G]

I agree with IN, if I am going to choose one I go with the gauze because it is more flexible in application, meaning I can apply it to full amputations, large gaping wounds or smaller penetrating trauma whereas the sponge is a little more limiting without adjustment. Where the sponge excels is in large gaping wounds and amputations.

For an aid bag it is good to have both but I really like the gauze for blow out kits. I offer both because others have different preferences based on mission.

[PlatoCATM]

I read that the celox gauze can be used as a burn dressing. Granted, the source of this information was a popular science magazine at the barber shop, but it had me wondering. If it can be used as a burn dressing in an emergency (not to replace proper burn treatments) would it not be the better alternative if you could not also pack a burn dressing?

I guess I'm wondering how well the combat gauze would work as a burn dressing, and if one brand works differently/better than the other at this.

Thanks for your guys' input. I hope I'm not over thinking my trauma kit, but with such small space I want the objects in there as useful and multipurpose as possible.

[OldGreg]

Stupid question: Is the QC gauze vacuum sealed?

[Submariner]

Stupid question: Is the QC gauze vacuum sealed?

Z-Medica makes vacuum-sealed Combat Gauze:

QuikClot® Combat Gauze Vacuum pack, Z-Fold with x-ray Item #200 NSN 6510-01-562-3325

http://www.zmedica.com/ordering/ordering.asp

Product information for QuikClot Combat Gauze, New Packaging

Combat Gauze is an advanced hemostatic agent combined with the simplicity of gauze. Combat Gauze is easy to use. It is easy to remove. It generates zero heat and is easy to pack. It is so intuitive and greatly improves hemorrhage control in the most demanding tactical setting. Combat Gauze is also cost effective.

Features:

* Z-FOLD for easy deployment
* Vacuum Packed - Compact & easy to carry. Fits anywhere, even in a loaded magazine pouch.
* X-Ray Strip - Easily detectable. Convenient blue thread. Won't be left in the body cavity. Easily differentiated from standard gauze.

Manufacturer: Z-Medica
Manufacturer Item Number: 30-105

http://www.combatmedicalsystems.com/Portals/0/images/newZfoldgauze2.jpg

Chinook Medical, for example, only sells it to .gov. Maybe Mike can snag some when he gets out of the hospital.

[OldGreg]

Much appreciated, thanks.

[Iraq Ninja]

I read that the celox gauze can be used as a burn dressing. Granted, the source of this information was a popular science magazine at the barber shop, but it had me wondering. If it can be used as a burn dressing in an emergency (not to replace proper burn treatments) would it not be the better alternative if you could not also pack a burn dressing?



While it could be used as such, I don't think it is the best option. It may be the only thing in your IFAK, but if I was in a high threat environment I would save it if possible.

It also depends on what degree of burn it is. On severe burns, what are the chances of it leaving particulate matter in the burn? My company is trained to the UK standards of trauma medicine, and thus we love to use cling film on burns (saran wrap). We also have special burn cloths that don't leave behind lint, and sterile plastic burn bags for the hands, etc. But, our med kits are set up for major burns as often result from explosions. I would think for the average person, minor burns are the norm and probably on the hands.

I once received some 2nd degree burns to my hands and the US Army medic washed my burns with normal saline, and wrapped it with standard gauze. I think that was all he had with him, since he was using a CLS med bag.

Maybe we should start a discussion in the first aid forum on burns?

[MIKE G]

Hey guys,

Still in the Hospital but feeling well enough to get on line.

I will get in touch with Z-Medica and check on the status of the .mil version and when/if it will be released for civilian consumption. As it stands, it is not available, unfortunately.

As to using Celox as a burn dressing, it would not be my first choice. At most, I use water jel but simple wet gauze or irrigation depending on the size of the burned area is still fairly effective. If you have a burn that is so severe you have an exposed blood vessel then I would not have an issue using Celox or even QuikClot locally to control bleeding but neither would be my first choice for widespread burn coverage.

Burns are one of those injuries where you can really have an adverse effect if you dont follow good protocols and it seems like we are always coming up with something new. I can remember back in the day when we would show up to a burn call and find patients covered in butter because that was the treatment of the day only to have to vigorously scrub the stuff off. Not very comfortable. I would really like to see an independent study on the use of Celox Gauze for burns or at least have the opportunity to use it a few times on smaller wounds. Also, remember it is only for 1st and 2nd degree burns per the Celox website so for more severe burns you will still have to make preps.

[SeriousStudent]

Hi Mike,

I am pleased to hear that your surgery went well. We all wish you a speedy and complete recovery.

Please add me to the list of people who are interested in buying several packages of the vacuum-packed Quikclot Combat Gauze.

Good luck with your rehab, and I appreciate all the advice from the posters in this thread. I stopped working as a paramedic about thirty years ago, and we in a big debate then about "Leeches or no Leeches?"

So I appreciate the good tips here. ;)

[PlatoCATM]

Hey Mike, also glad to hear you're ok.

I would buy the vacuum packed QC but I will probably have to pick up some regular stuff for now as well. I recently heard from an instructor that the USAF is phasing out QC in our IFAKs. As I heard it their rationale is based off of old products and info--QC burns and was being used for anything and everything instead of for serious trauma in hard to treat locations. Hopefully someone pulls their head out of their ass and opts for the new products and better training.

Sorry for clogging your dealer forum.

[MIKE G]

Just got an email back from the head of sales at Z-Medica (owners of QC brand) and was advised that the .mil vacuum packed with x-ray stripe is for Military customers only and no change to that stipulation is expected.

If I get anything different from them in the future I will advise but I am not holding my breath.

[OldGreg]

Bummer. Thanks for looking into though!

[SeriousStudent]

Thanks for the quick answer, Mike. Feel better soon.

[MIKE G]

We sold out last week, back in stock now.

[PSG1 Nut]

When will you have the QuikClot ACS+ in stock again?

[MIKE G]

When will you have the QuikClot ACS+ in stock again?

I updated stock last night so there should be three packs available for order. If for some reason the site didn't update I will confirm tonight or tommorow. I am at the NRA show in Charllotte today.

Also, every word I am getting out of Z-Medica is that the ACS is being discontinued so once those are gone they will be removed from the site and the gauze will be the primary choice. I am evaluating the sport packs which may serve as a replacement for the ACS.

[AmericanGunWorks]

I heard about quickclot on the gundudes podcast of all places. I then checked out the youtube video of quickclot being used and I'm sold. I want to order a few packs for my bug out bag and range bag incase someone gets shot accidentally.

Thanks for stocking it.

[VooDoo6Actual]

I use both in my FAT KIT & like the products.