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I'm back in the 1911 (the world's finest close-quarters combat weapon - Ken Hackathorn) fold again!
This little beauty arrived today courtesy of my mother-in-law. It's probably been sitting for 10 years and was all gummed up and filthy. I stripped it down and cleaned the piss out of it with Ballistol and lubed it up with CLP. Now she's pretty smooth.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8592.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8593.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8588.jpg
I'm not sure what my plans are for this yet. I might just keep it as is or I might send it off for some refinements. Eventually I'll give it to my son (because every American male should own a 1911 - Ken Hackathorn) as soon as he's old enough.
lethal dose
05-08-10, 16:48
I'm not sure what my plans are for this yet...
... GIVE IT TO ME! ;)
coolest M-I-L ever :cool:
SeaSoldier
05-08-10, 17:04
King of the feed way stoppage. Gotta luv em. ;)
I don't know much about 1911's, but is that beaver tail looking piece at the back of the pistol some sort of grip safety mechanism?
Yep, that's the grip safety. The beavertail versions are a bit longer and help protect from hammer bite.
M4arc, is that a series 70 or 80? It's quite beautiful.
70 Series and Pachmayr go together like pork rines and cold beer!
Nice and nostalgic! I wouldnt change anything.
(the world's finest close-quarters combat weapon - Ken Hackathorn)
Would this be the same 1911 that is the king of feedway stoppages?
Robb Jensen
05-08-10, 17:46
You should make a MEUSOC clone out of it.
Beat Trash
05-08-10, 17:54
You should first go shoot the piss out of it.
Would this be the same 1911 that is the king of feedway stoppages?
Mine has never had a "feedway" stoppage since I first bought it in 1978. That includes H&G 200 gr. semi-wadcutters.
SpookyPistolero
05-08-10, 18:05
Now there's a handsome devil! Nice score. I'll trade you MIL's any day of the week..
rubberneck
05-08-10, 18:27
You should make a MEUSOC clone out of it.
Just what I was thinking. Get your name on Dave Berryhill's waiting list and a year or two from now you'd have a really cool fighting gun, so to speak.
Thanks guys! Unfortunately it came to me because my father-in-law passed away in 2003 and this was one of his guns. Like I said I'll give it to my son a few years from now so it stays in the family.
It is a Series 70 and in quite good shape.
I'm thinking of doing a MEUSOC clone or just have some Heinie's installed along with a different trigger, beaver tail, and new hammer.
I'll shoot it first and go from there. :)
MarshallDodge
05-08-10, 20:30
That is a really nice gift and looks in pretty good shape all cleaned it up.
varoadking
05-08-10, 20:33
I'd put a nice set of grips on it and call it good...
Enjoy...
Cagemonkey
05-08-10, 21:37
Thanks guys! Unfortunately it came to me because my father-in-law passed away in 2003 and this was one of his guns. Like I said I'll give it to my son a few years from now so it stays in the family.
It is a Series 70 and in quite good shape.
I'm thinking of doing a MEUSOC clone or just have some Heinie's installed along with a different trigger, beaver tail, and new hammer.
I'll shoot it first and go from there. :)Doesn't it need its ejection port opened up also?
If it were mine, and I was so far ahead on the cost (aka free), I would do the following from someone like Novak's or similar:
Lower and flare ejection port
Memory bump beavertail
Extended safety
Extended mag release
Night sights
New hammer
Trigger job
New grips
Replace curved MSH
Dawson Rail
Feedway stoppage only if you don't understand how they work.
I'd keep it stock or MEUSOC it.
There is very little an M1911 needs to be reliable and effective gun. Sights, fresh springs and a properly tuned extractor.
Mainly they need to be maintained correctly.
But then, most guys despise things that require maintenance beyond cleaning. Like high performance solid lifter engines. Or supermodels. Or M1911s. Now, they WANT to like them, but their ineptitude has left them bitter. Or they are the other way, and ascribe near supernatural powers to them. Which means they are going to be disappointed, terminally some day.
Their Boxer engine will grenade on them because they've let shit go for so long. That 6' of gorgeous STILL will ignore them (naw, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and say she'll cheat/leave him, because it's not even happening). And they will experience feedway stoppages because they use cheap magazines and the extractor is too tight.
Of course, they will mortgage their children's future with some factory performance car, or a car with Jap writing on the side and a wing, made up by some other dude named Chan, which they will run out of oil and blow up. Or they'll marry some plain chick who secretly fantasizes about the pool boy in an effort to stay awake while he first clumsily gropes at her and then hammers away on her once a month with the lights off. Or he purchases some other pistol with a 20 pound, creepy draggy double action only pulll "because its safer. I mean, really, when you are under stress, your fine motor control, blah, blah, blah...."
3.5 pound, crisp as glass trigger, my man.... Blue steel, and walnut double diamond grips. The pull, the seduction. Go for it.
SeaSoldier
05-08-10, 22:37
I'd send it to Jason Burton and tell him to have his way with it. Then you'd really have a family Heirloom Precision.
Assy Mcgee
05-08-10, 22:42
Thanks guys! Unfortunately it came to me because my father-in-law passed away in 2003 and this was one of his guns. Like I said I'll give it to my son a few years from now so it stays in the family.
It is a Series 70 and in quite good shape.
I'm thinking of doing a MEUSOC clone or just have some Heinie's installed along with a different trigger, beaver tail, and new hammer.
I'll shoot it first and go from there. :)
sweet piece!
don't forget some G10 grips for it! :)
Nice old 70 series. Congratulations.
It's your gun so you'll determine what is best for you. But I know this about Colts because I've had a few. They are very sharp, their edges and corner can make you bleed. Their sights are pretty tiny and aren't much help in any serious kind of shooting. All the Colts that passed through my hands had to have their edges dehorn. A friend of mine had this old Colt turned into what he called "working man's carry gun". Serrations on the front strap, total dehorn, Retro rear sight by YoBo/Harrison, front post sight with a gold bead and several other things. Here is what his piece looks like.
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The curved MSH and short trigger A1 style is the best shooting formula in my hands. I wouldn't change that. Most do however.
It's a fine looking pistol. Congrats.
David Thomas
05-09-10, 00:23
I'm back in the 1911 (the world's finest close-quarters combat weapon - Ken Hackathorn) fold again!
This little beauty arrived today courtesy of my mother-in-law...
I'm not sure what my plans are for this yet. I might just keep it as is or I might send it off for some refinements. Eventually I'll give it to my son (because every American male should own a 1911 - Ken Hackathorn) as soon as he's old enough.
Several comments/jokes about my mother-in-law came to mind, but I will refrain. Sounds like you have a good one. Congrats.
I have heard Ken make those statements and have heard his comments about those American's that do not own a 1911.
For the most part I am not a fan of large rollmarks and the slide being used as a billboard. Nevertheless, for some reason that does not apply to most Colts and the large rollmark series 70 Colts are one of my favorites.
Let me caution you though, those things multiply just like Glocks. However the problem with that is when they multiply the hurt your pocket book much worse.
Whatever you decide to do with it, enjoy it.
I would get some Heinie sights and a trigger job.
I'll shoot it first and go from there. :)
When?!?
I'll bring ammo!
:D
Plenty of people here know 1911's. More than enough to call bullshit on your tough guy talk.
Feedway stoppage only if you don't understand how they work.
I'd keep it stock or MEUSOC it.
There is very little an M1911 needs to be reliable and effective gun. Sights, fresh springs and a properly tuned extractor.
Mainly they need to be maintained correctly.
But then, most guys despise things that require maintenance beyond cleaning. Like high performance solid lifter engines. Or supermodels. Or M1911s. Now, they WANT to like them, but their ineptitude has left them bitter. Or they are the other way, and ascribe near supernatural powers to them. Which means they are going to be disappointed, terminally some day.
Their Boxer engine will grenade on them because they've let shit go for so long. That 6' of gorgeous STILL will ignore them (naw, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and say she'll cheat/leave him, because it's not even happening). And they will experience feedway stoppages because they use cheap magazines and the extractor is too tight.
Of course, they will mortgage their children's future with some factory performance car, or a car with Jap writing on the side and a wing, made up by some other dude named Chan, which they will run out of oil and blow up. Or they'll marry some plain chick who secretly fantasizes about the pool boy in an effort to stay awake while he first clumsily gropes at her and then hammers away on her once a month with the lights off. Or he purchases some other pistol with a 20 pound, creepy draggy double action only pulll "because its safer. I mean, really, when you are under stress, your fine motor control, blah, blah, blah...."
3.5 pound, crisp as glass trigger, my man.... Blue steel, and walnut double diamond grips. The pull, the seduction. Go for it.
That's an awesome MIL. congrats on your new(to you) 1911.
When?!?
I'll bring ammo!
:D
Next weekend.
Plenty of people here know 1911's. More than enough to call bullshit on your tough guy talk.
The post was supposed to be tongue in cheek. Actually, I thought it was appropriately light-hearted.
I don't have "tough guy talk", whateverthefuck that is.
Feedway stoppage only if you don't understand how they work.
That is just the end of Hack's quote... I'm sure it wasn't meant in a negative context....
He is known for " The 1911, the worlds finest close-quarters combat pistol and king of feedway stoppages"....
I'm pretty sure I'm getting the quote correct....
Plenty of people here know 1911's. More than enough to call bullshit on your tough guy talk.
Dude lighten up... It was a play on the Hack quote that M4arc started his post with....
I'm back in the 1911 (the world's finest close-quarters combat weapon - Ken Hackathorn) fold again!
This little beauty arrived today courtesy of my mother-in-law. It's probably been sitting for 10 years and was all gummed up and filthy. I stripped it down and cleaned the piss out of it with Ballistol and lubed it up with CLP. Now she's pretty smooth.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8592.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8593.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee64/oclvtrek/100_8588.jpg
I'm not sure what my plans are for this yet. I might just keep it as is or I might send it off for some refinements. Eventually I'll give it to my son (because every American male should own a 1911 - Ken Hackathorn) as soon as he's old enough.
What a great piece of family history and a great gift for your son down the road. I would keep it just as you received it personally... It was setup the way his Grandfather liked it. Keep that heritage alive through his pistol.
unless you have ape hands the beavertails and hammer bite issues are greatly exaggerated- the one thing the older colts do suffer from is small crappy sights that is for sure. I'd vote to keep it stock except for sights. I am also a BIG fan of the 1911A1 length trigger over the long one everyone seems to like- it gives more room in the tg for shooting with gloves (it's pretty much winter 8 months a year here) and if your fingers are short it allows for a better control of the trigger.
Littlelebowski
05-09-10, 10:51
A 1911 and a Harley.
Yup, you're definitely having a mid life crisis :D
(humor between friends, folks)
Thanks guys! Unfortunately it came to me because my father-in-law passed away in 2003 and this was one of his guns. Like I said I'll give it to my son a few years from now so it stays in the family.
It is a Series 70 and in quite good shape.
I'm thinking of doing a MEUSOC clone or just have some Heinie's installed along with a different trigger, beaver tail, and new hammer.
I'll shoot it first and go from there. :)
Leave it alone.
want to tinker-get a GI and hack on it.
To set the record straight on the second half of that statement that Ken has made. About 10 years ago, Ken came to GA to do a class for us. During the class he referred to the 1911 as the world's finest CQB pistol, then a student that is not a fan of the 1911 chimed in and said "and the king of the feedway stoppage". Ken got a good laugh at it and from then on he joking added the second part. That's how the legend grew.
And to this day, that student that made the statement, doesn't own a single 1911. He loves his G-lock and S&W revolvers. I believe he sometimes posts here.
Beat Trash
05-09-10, 12:25
A 1911 and a Harley.
Yup, you're definitely having a mid life crisis :D
(humor between friends, folks)
I kinda thought that's what your reward for living to "midlife" was, an excuse to go buy a Harley and a 1911...
Not at all a bad thing!
The more I look at the picture or this 1911, the more I'd be tempted to leave it as is. The more you had done to it, the less it'd be "grandpa's gun" as it was passed down to your son.
To set the record straight on the second half of that statement that Ken has made. About 10 years ago, Ken came to GA to do a class for us. During the class he referred to the 1911 as the world's finest CQB pistol, then a student that is not a fan of the 1911 chimed in and said "and the king of the feedway stoppage". Ken got a good laugh at it and from then on he joking added the second part. That's how the legend grew.
And to this day, that student that made the statement, doesn't own a single 1911. He loves his G-lock and S&W revolvers. I believe he sometimes posts here.
Great story! Birth of a legend.
Littlelebowski
05-09-10, 14:07
To set the record straight on the second half of that statement that Ken has made. About 10 years ago, Ken came to GA to do a class for us. During the class he referred to the 1911 as the world's finest CQB pistol, then a student that is not a fan of the 1911 chimed in and said "and the king of the feedway stoppage". Ken got a good laugh at it and from then on he joking added the second part. That's how the legend grew.
And to this day, that student that made the statement, doesn't own a single 1911. He loves his G-lock and S&W revolvers. I believe he sometimes posts here.
Good story. Now if someone could just enlighten me as to why folks spell "Glock" as "G-Lock".....
It is one beautiful 1911, no question about it. I got to check it out yesterday and was very impressed.
If it were mine I'd get some work done similar to what Shivan suggested and shoot the hell out of it. :cool:
I'd love to see M4arc start showing up to classes shooting a 1911, like a real patriot. :p
I would honestly tell you to do nothing to it. Putting work in to 1911s is a seemingly neverending process. The only cures seem to be:
1) drop 6 grand on a full custom pistol OR
2) accept that however you got it is how it's going to stay
That having been said...
I think there's a guy around here who can do sights for you. Bob (?) Yurina at Antique & Modern Repair in VB. I'd look at a set of the YoBo retro sights. I think Harrison sells them now as well. They're in the Brownells catalog.
At the very least I'd lose the silly wraparound grips for a set of nice walnut double diamonds, a slightly longer trigger (I have one in the parts bin if you want) and that's it. I'd offer to break the edges for you, but I don't have the facilities to hot blue it when I'm done.
Littlelebowski
05-09-10, 15:45
I'd put some good sights on there, different grips, and shoot the heck out of it.
QuickStrike
05-09-10, 15:52
I'd put some good sights on there, different grips, and shoot the heck out of it.
+1. And an extra fitted extractor.
Looks classy as hell as is.
BaldEagle323
05-09-10, 16:07
That is a sweet Series 70! Put some nice rosewood or cocobolo grips on it and maybe some sights and just shoot it. Get a trigger job if you must. If you want a 1911 with all of the "mods" (flared ejection port, beavertail, extended safety, etc), buy one with all of that included in a new gun.
M4arc, The thing you have to keep in mind is that you need to decide what you want it to be.
1- Original and collectable
2-Once you start doing one thing-before you know it, you will be saying "Dang, wish I left it alone"
It's kind of like the nice pretty girl that doesn't even need make up and you do every procedure on her until she looks like a circus clown on crack.
Courtesy of Heirloom Precision:
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Sorry, but I don't see anything Carnie or circus-like about that Series 70. The only thing I would add is a Dawson rail for a light, which is a very muted when the light is off, and I would use night sights instead of the personal choice shown above....
That does look nice-I was making a point about "ruining" the original beauty of the one he has.
I'm with Subzero-can't see the point and never will with the money sunk into these 1911's. They're nice and not beating those who have-that's their thing and I respect it.
$500? Maybe, on the outside?
I guess the bigger question is, will M4arc use it for training, or just shoot it socially. If the latter, leave it alone as a conversation piece. If the former, then it could be a lot more user friendly than it currently sits.
"King of the feed way stoppage. Gotta luv em."
We refer to them as training aids.
Everyone should have one; you're an expert on immediate action after 500 rounds.
That said, there is a lot of potential in the OP's new toy. That thing at the bottom of the front strap has to go, as do those Pachmyr grips but it can be a decent .45 with a little love, and some Duracoat.
You should make a MEUSOC clone out of it.
Or Mr. Berryhills BFP package. That would be nice
Robb Jensen
05-09-10, 21:08
Or Mr. Berryhills BFP package. That would be nice
Those are very nice, I'd like to own one someday.
I honestly don't know what I'll do with it. I might not do anything but replace some springs to freshen it up a bit.
I'll shoot it next weekend and see how it goes.
I honestly don't know what I'll do with it. I might not do anything but replace some springs to freshen it up a bit.
I'll shoot it next weekend and see how it goes.
Just buy another Glock and call it good. :D
David Thomas
05-09-10, 22:27
I honestly don't know what I'll do with it. I might not do anything but replace some springs to freshen it up a bit.
I'll shoot it next weekend and see how it goes.
after thinking about this some more, I'll trade you a Gen 3 17 or 34 for it.
after thinking about this some more, I'll trade you a Gen 3 17 or 34 for it.
I think you misunderstood me; by saying I'm not going to do anything with it I meant modifications, not get rid of it.
I had to drive to NOVA this morning and had a lot of time to think about the past few days. When my MIL came to town she brough all of my FIL's handguns, and there's a bunch of them.
My son and I went through all of them and while he's only eight he's got a good eye for guns and is extremely excited; wanting to check them out over and over again, learn how to clean them, listens and follows the safety rules. He loves all of them!
I could care less about most of them but if he likes them, and at some point they'll be his, I'll just keep them clean and in working order so he can enjoy them for decades to come...possibly with his children at some point.
Littlelebowski
05-10-10, 18:03
Yo-Bo retro sights won't take away from the aesthetics and will help when shooting that 1911.
My 2 cents = enjoy it as is unless it needs work to get it to run 100%
David Thomas
05-11-10, 00:23
I think you misunderstood me; by saying I'm not going to do anything with it I meant modifications, not get rid of it.
Ok I can see you drive a hard bargain. I will throw in 2 magazines and a G19 box.:D
David Thomas
05-11-10, 00:34
In all seriousness, I am always torn as to whether to leave an item as is for the next generation or use it and change it to suit me.
I have done both over the years.
I'd probably leave it as it is with one exception......get the collet bushing out of there and put a solid bushing in. I have seen the collets crack and lock the gun up.
Other wise, I'd leave it as is for your son, so that he can inherit his grandfather's 1911 the way his grandfather wanted it.
Get a Springfield M1911A1 WWII GI for cheap and send it off to do the MEUSOC thing, or snipe a real USGI M1911A1 for cheap.
Great looking piece. My wookie paws get torn up on unmodified 1911 grip safeties but it's still a beautiful piece.
I could care less about most of them but if he likes them, and at some point they'll be his, I'll just keep them clean and in working order so he can enjoy them for decades to come...possibly with his children at some point.
Under this revelation, I wouldn't change anything at all. Not even the grips.
I would, however, recommend that you take a little disposable income and procure a "workman's" 1911, and train with it. Something like a TRP or McOperator. You can always go back to your Glocks, but in paraphrasing Ken further, "Every true patriot must have at least a pair of 1911's, never an odd number."
spamsammich
05-11-10, 11:58
I have to figure out how to avoid any posts that have Heirloom Precision guns in them. They make my heart pitter patter and my wallet cower in fear.
Beat Trash
05-11-10, 12:05
I could care less about most of them but if he likes them, and at some point they'll be his, I'll just keep them clean and in working order so he can enjoy them for decades to come...possibly with his children at some point.
I could not agree more with this statement. I think this is the best route. If you want to obtain another 1911, modify it to your needs, that still is not a bad idea. This gun would in time become "your gun" that could be passed down to your son, to go along with his "grandfathers gun".
Every time I think about selling my 1911, I see one of these threads.
Then I put it back the safe and forget about it.
I wouldn't do anything but find a set of original wood stocks. If you want one to hack up, get a Series 70 reisuue. In fact I have one I brand new I'll trade you even up.
I'm going to try and find a set of the original grips and leave it at that. Then I'll look for a base 1911 to send off to make all nice and shit :D
I'm going to try and find a set of the original grips and leave it at that. Then I'll look for a base 1911 to send off to make all nice and shit :D
I'm pretty sure I've got a set of Colt gold medallion vintage 70 Series grips kicking around somewhere.
If I can find them, they're yours.
Then I'll look for a base 1911 to send off to make all nice and shit :D
Honestly, unless you are REALLY pressed to spend a lot, $600 or so dollars should cover all the work and parts needed to take a Springfield milspec to a badass blaster. Or just buy a Wilson CQB or Springfield Pro and be done with it without waiting.
Honestly, unless you are REALLY pressed to spend a lot, $600 or so dollars should cover all the work and parts needed to take a Springfield milspec to a badass blaster. Or just buy a Wilson CQB or Springfield Pro and be done with it without waiting.
The Pros are very nice...
Found those Series 70 grips for you.
Some unadulterated 1911 hate going on here.
Beautiful pistol, great mother-in-law, and enjoy the time with your son.
What I'm doing with my gun is changing out all the primary components with Ed Brown Hard Core parts, or similar quality parts.
I mean it'd be fine to keep it bone stock, but I'm getting those components changed for one reason, if I get the thing duracoated or something like that, I'm not going to want to have to get parts I could conceivably want in the future duracoated at a later date.
I don't understand why everyone believes that you have to be a 1911 armorer to have a 1911... or a $2,000+ pistol, IMHO.
I mean realistically I paid around 900$ for mine, and I'm changing components I want to change, not need to change.
Is bending an stock extra considered fine tuning a 1911? That and replacing springs is the only thing I can think of that you might need to change over time out of necessity, but springs need to be replaced on every gun, and extractors wear out, I don't really know of what point you need to replace a 1911 extractor because I don't hear of it needing to happen that I can recall.
You guys must not even open your AR-15's. Because realistically there's probably the same number of parts distributed across the gun, maybe more.
I'm not trying to instigate anything or pull the "the 1911 served this country for over 70 years and that's good enough for me" argument, but realistically, look at that track record, you know many of them were neglected/poorly maintained, and still were reliable.
Name one Small Arm that the U.S. carries that soldiers don't have a gripe with. Honestly.
M203 doesn't open far enough to handle more robust rounds. Colt M16/M4 is Direct Impingmenet (Which I see as fine, but, that's a rabbit hole argument that I'm not going down), 5.56mm lethality issues, etc. The Beretta M9 has a safety on the slide, is too complex to operate, clean etc. The M249's Bipod sucks and breaks all the time and it's stock sucks because it only has one screw holding it secure.
Realize eventually you can find a problem with every gun, one short coming, from one perspective can be found on any gun, I guarantee you that.
Every system has faults, I just think the 1911 is hated by a lot of people that haven't ever handled it. Which I'm fine with, but don't say you know the pistol if you've never detail stripped it. Other than the MSH Retention pin, grip screws, and possibly for the firing pin, probably needing a small flat head screw driver to disassemble you need no tools to break the gun down completely.
Which, if you have the GI issue grip screws, you can remove that with a rhim of a .45 ACP bullet to unscrew (Most end users use hex heads these days, no problem with that, just what they do, I use Slex head screws), the gun was designed to be completely tool lessly disassembled with what you have access to in the field, i.e. bullets, you can pull that thing completely apart.
Not field stripping, don't get that confused. Completely disassembled.
Is it really that Rich man's gun honestly? IMO, no.
But, realistically what people are seeing are, all the patents have as far as I'm aware expired on 1911's... anybody and their brother can produce parts. Just like Olympic Arms makes AR's, so does Norinco make 1911's.
Many of you strive to have all Mil-Spec parts for AR-15's because all of it's patents have expired (From what I know anyway), and don't realize that you have the same issue with 1911's.
I can't wait for junk glocks to start to be produced here soon, as I imagine their patents will eventually expire (probably... in the non too distant future), give them a few decades after that, and you'll see how many people are making parts for it, and who's are reliable, who's aren't, etc.
People are dieing to get aftermarket parts in Glocks and Apex parts in M&P's. Some of which decrease reliability/durability.
I have no qualms against polymer framed double stacked pistols, I think they're a different design and I'm not trying to instigate a fight (which... I'm afraid's going to happen anyway... Unfortunately), I just thought I'd explain the situation as I saw it.
I don't think the 1911 maintenance/ownership is anywhere near as intimidating as it's famed to be.
YMMV. I apologize to Mod's if this tail spins into a catastrophe of a thread because of my response, I'd really like it not to.
Seriously? I own and shoot a Rock Island Armory $390 M1911. It runs like a freaking sewing machine. And if stuff starts to break on it, I'll fix it.
I haven't felt the need to ever plunk down $2500 on an M1911. Even remotely. Both the el cheapo ones I've shot worked well. 1 each Norinco and now this RIA. I actually carried my Norinco in the military when we still had M1911s because it looked just like my M1911 in the holster and worked better.
Found those Series 70 grips for you.
Awesome, thanks Templar!
Seriously? I own and shoot a Rock Island Armory $390 M1911. It runs like a freaking sewing machine. And if stuff starts to break on it, I'll fix it.
I haven't felt the need to ever plunk down $2500 on an M1911. Even remotely. Both the el cheapo ones I've shot worked well. 1 each Norinco and now this RIA. I actually carried my Norinco in the military when we still had M1911s because it looked just like my M1911 in the holster and worked better.
You know, I never saw this angle coming. :D
I haven't used them, I just assumed because of the price they were lower end.
My mistake...
Maybe I should get an el cheapo 1911, replace the Slide stop, firing pin stop, firing pin, extended thumb safety, extended magazine release and bushing with Ed Brown or similar quality components and all springs with Wolff springs.
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