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Ok, I have decided to go the SBR route with my next AR. I have a few questions though.
I have an LWRC complete lower. Will this be good to register and will it be reliable, or would I save some headache by selling it and going with a BCM registered lower? I guess what I'm getting at is, will the paperwork be easier if I get a registered lower?
So far I have the complete lower with Magpul CTR, MIAD and BAD. It came with an H2 buffer. I plan on going with an 11.5" barreled upper from BCM. I would appreciate any feedback you can give me. Thanks.
shouldn't matter.. the only real difference is if you opt to follow ATF "guidelines" and engrave the Form 1 (make) lower.. if you get a BCM SBR lower, on a Form 4 (transfer), the "maker" is already engraved on it.
Unless you live in the same state as BCM, you will have to pay two taxes, so it will cost you more on top of the hassle. My advice would be to register your LWRC.
I don't believe this is correct and I am sure that one of our resident dealers can clarify. It is my understanding that transfers from one NFA dealer to another are no charge. It just an extra step in the waiting process.
Unless you live in the same state as BCM, you will have to pay two taxes, so it will cost you more on top of the hassle. My advice would be to register your LWRC.
The gun can be transferred tax exempt from the manufacturer to a properly licensed dealer in your state. It is then transferred on a form 4 to an individual.
There is still the question of ATF and a stripped SBR lower. I don't pretend to know that answer and I believe you can get different answers from ATF depending on who is answering the question. Imagine that!
Do you still have the long wait time no matter which route you go?
Do you still have the long wait time no matter which route you go?
Yes. The current internet trends, I believe, are showing form 1's taking a little less time than form 4's. I guess in the end, it all depends on who your examiner is.
To me, it all boils down to costs and what your budget is. Assuming you already have a lower that's good to go, you could have a registered SBR for $200 tax stamp, plus engraving fees- then slap whatever upper you want on it, after BATF approval.
OR, buy a complete registered lower for about $370, plus $200 tax stamp, plus C3/Title II transfer fees (for transfer from other than the original dealer to you) which average around $75-100 that I have seen. Then slap whatever upper you want on it, after BATF approval.
YMMV.
I don't believe this is correct and I am sure that one of our resident dealers can clarify. It is my understanding that transfers from one NFA dealer to another are no charge. It just an extra step in the waiting process.
The gun can be transferred tax exempt from the manufacturer to a properly licensed dealer in your state. It is then transferred on a form 4 to an individual.
There is still the question of ATF and a stripped SBR lower. I don't pretend to know that answer and I believe you can get different answers from ATF depending on who is answering the question. Imagine that!
I see, my mistake. Thanks for the clarification.
Registering your LWRC would be the easiest way to go, because you already have it. No headaches at all, and less waiting. Form 3 transfers to your dealer are running about 3 weeks, then the Form 4 another 3 to 4 months. You can do the Form 1 right away. My first Form 1 took 39 days, and my second took 83 days with the same examiner. If you look around you can find someone local to do the engraving. I got mine done for $10. My 10.5" runs great with an H buffer.
Jeremy
Thanks for the responses.
I guess the second part to my question is: Is my LWRC lower and it's components good to go? Is their LPK quality? I'm not trying to start an LWRC bash fest, either. Thank you.
Registering your LWRC would be the easiest way to go, because you already have it. No headaches at all, and less waiting. Form 3 transfers to your dealer are running about 3 weeks, then the Form 4 another 3 to 4 months. You can do the Form 1 right away. My first Form 1 took 39 days, and my second took 83 days with the same examiner. If you look around you can find someone local to do the engraving. I got mine done for $10. My 10.5" runs great with an H buffer.
Jeremy
Where did you get your's engraved and how does it look? I see you are in Eastern PA so it may be close to me.
might I recommend Ident Marking Services for SBR engraving. I used them (after seeing JTrusty's SBR engraved) and I couldn't be more pleased. Check them out. :D
I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.
Where did you get your's engraved and how does it look? I see you are in Eastern PA so it may be close to me.
I got it done at R & W Engraving just out side of Hamburg (about 3 min. from Cabelas). I am very happy with the way it looks. I would definitely go back for another one. I got it done in the trigger guard. It was the first lower he ever did. I think I made him nervous standing over his shoulder.
Jeremy
I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.
well, hot damn! you've come to the right place.
Mark?
well, hot damn! you've come to the right place.
Mark?
Please point me in the right direction. I am looking at getting a REPR. I know about the mag issue, but I have never herd of any issues with the 5.56 guns.
Jeremy
I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.
I got it done at R & W Engraving just out side of Hamburg (about 3 min. from Cabelas). I am very happy with the way it looks. I would definitely go back for another one. I got it done in the trigger guard. It was the first lower he ever did. I think I made him nervous standing over his shoulder.
Jeremy
Well, that's pretty convenient. I'm from Lenhartsville. Thanks man. You don't happen to have any pictures of his work do you?
Magic_Salad0892
06-09-10, 13:58
Please point me in the right direction. I am looking at getting a REPR. I know about the mag issue, but I have never herd of any issues with the 5.56 guns.
Jeremy
I don't think he was saying anything bad about them, he was just referring to another poster who uses his every living breath badmouthing them. (For no good reason.)
LWRCi is a very reputable company. In my experience.
Just out of curiosity:
Where did you get just the lower?
What SBR upper are you looking for?
I don't think he was saying anything bad about them, he was just referring to another poster who uses his every living breath badmouthing them. (For no good reason.)
LWRCi is a very reputable company. In my experience.
Just out of curiosity:
Where did you get just the lower?
What SBR upper are you looking for?
I have a couple buddy's who work at a shop and they knew I wanted to get a lower and build it. So, an M6A2 came in that the owner just wanted the upper to and they sold me the complete lower.
I'm looking at going with a BCM BFH 11.5" with the Mk18 RIS II.
Your LWRC lower will be GTG, and starting with a BCM 11.5" and Mk18 should be golden.
Only other thing to do is check classifieds, see if anybody has a very similar upper they're selling.
Your LWRC lower will be GTG, and starting with a BCM 11.5" and Mk18 should be golden.
Only other thing to do is check classifieds, see if anybody has a very similar upper they're selling.
Thanks! I just have to get my paperwork in to get the ball rolling on this thing.
Please point me in the right direction. I am looking at getting a REPR. I know about the mag issue, but I have never herd of any issues with the 5.56 guns.
Jeremy
there's nothing, i'm confident, wrong with an LWRC lower. i'd sport one, so long as it didn't cost me a dime more than what i put together. i suspect they're well made.
you'll find a whole heaping pile of guys on this board that will say things like "i've never heard a single complaint about em!" and "they're one of the best manufacturers in the known universe!" and so forth.. however the fact remains that their history is very spotty. there are numerous documented cases of weapons that dont run accompanied by apparently shitty customer service. the same can be said for every piston gun manufacturer.... this vast emergence of piston guns is new, and like anything new, there have been glitches. the reports of bad customer service are probably related to the defensiveness that seems to accompany manufacturers with glitchy guns. maybe they've fixed all of these issues by now.
i personally have next to no experience with LWRC guns, and zero experience with their customer service. i've only put 5 or 6 mags through two different weapons. i was unimpressed by the weight and recoil as compared to similar DI guns, but they both ran those few rounds without issue.
lower receivers have nothing to do with it, though- so, as i said, i wouldn't hesitate to use one.
I've heard good and bad about LWRC. Two buddies each have LWRC M6A2s and LOVE them, but you get guys who have had bad experiences so...it's hard to say.
Magic_Salad0892
06-11-10, 04:45
I have a couple buddy's who work at a shop and they knew I wanted to get a lower and build it. So, an M6A2 came in that the owner just wanted the upper to and they sold me the complete lower.
I'm looking at going with a BCM BFH 11.5" with the Mk18 RIS II.
You would be braindead to change your mind on an 11.5'' BCM + Mk. 18 rail.
Just fondling one made me want to splurge my wallet.
You would be braindead to change your mind on an 11.5'' BCM + Mk. 18 rail.
Just fondling one made me want to splurge my wallet.
Haha, ok. Well I'm pretty much dead set on that.
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