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cdj588
08-03-10, 22:02
I have noticed that several people are using the new M-Pro 7 from Hoppes so I bought some and used it instead of my regular Hoppe's #9. Overall, cleaning took a lot less time but the patchs werent really as dirty so how much better it cleaned im unsure of. Anyway for sake of a long story and what not. Who perfers and believes the M-Pro 7 is a more powerful cleaner than the original Hoppes #9. I found a good deal on a 32oz bottle of M-Pro7 so I am asking before I invest in a bunch of the stuff.

TRIDENT82
08-03-10, 22:21
I love mpro7...buy away.

donlapalma
08-03-10, 22:45
I'm very happy with M-Pro 7. It cleans well and I love the fact that it is non-toxic which means I can clean my gun anywhere regardless of ventilation. To answer your question, I'm no chemist, but I do "believe" that M-Pro 7 is as powerful a cleaner that I need for my purposes. I have friends who mess with the Hoppes and it's a major mess in comparison!

Pal
08-03-10, 23:57
If MPro came in the same little goofy looking brown bottle that #9 does, I wonder how many people would buy it? I suspect some people are lured in by the cool looking bottles and displays you see set up. Never tried it yet.

Acespeedy
08-04-10, 00:35
I've been using Gunzilla. About two years ago a gunsmith/armorer recomended it to me during an armory school, and I was sold on it. I used to use CLP because that's what we had been using. I was given some MPro samples about a year ago and it worked alright, but I'm still stuck on Gunzilla. The Gunzilla is kinda pricey, but it works.

http://www.gunzilla.us/

Jake Bauer
08-04-10, 01:01
Mp7 rocks!

KYPD
08-04-10, 03:11
MPro-7 is an old formula (100 years?) that has been adapted to cleaning guns. Originally, it was developed for removing carbon deposits from metal, primarily dried india ink from pen nibs. It works very well for removing carbon from gun barrels, and any other fouling a water-based detergent cleaner can be expected to remove. I think it works better than Hoppes No.9 for this, and because it is non-toxic, I use it.

Sadly, MPro-7 doesn't efficiently remove/dissolve copper fouling, so occasionally a stronger chemical is helpful. Sweets 7.62, or Montana X-treme, or Barnes, or Hoppes Benchrest are some popular products everyone knows. Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner (Brownells) is a good non-toxic alternative to the ammonia-based cleaners that I have been using lately with good results. An abrasive bore cleaner like Remclean is also useful sometimes, so I always have three cleaning products in small bottles in my range box.

But I still love the smell of Hoppes No.9, and hope someone will put out a men's cologne. :cool:

Iraqgunz
08-04-10, 03:53
I use Mpro-7 almost exclusively and to remove copper I use Barrett's copper gel. It is probably the best copper remover I have tried.

Fairweather8588
08-04-10, 03:59
Another vote for the M-Pro 7

Blankwaffe
08-04-10, 04:37
If MPro came in the same little goofy looking brown bottle that #9 does, I wonder how many people would buy it? I suspect some people are lured in by the cool looking bottles and displays you see set up. Never tried it yet.


I buy Hoppe's No.9 by the quart,so I get goofy looking big bottles.

Seriously though,Ive been using Hoppe's No.9 for 30+ years and have no complaints other than I think it worked better when it contained nitrobenzene....but hey gota "go green" in some way I guess.
Ive tried the newer "green cleaners"(Mpro7 and MC25) and to me they are more of,well a cleaner than an actual bore solvent.Great for surface prep/degreaser though.
IMHO a bore solvent should be able to somewhat to tackle the types of fouling remaining in the bore from the combustion of powders and metal fouling.Granted Hoppe's No.9 is slow working as a copper solvent,but it will get the job done if allowed to soak overnight.Works decent as a short term protectant and a dunkit solution too.
That said I shoot everything from flintlocks to AR's,with a strong passion for WWII era weapons,particularly the Kar.98K,so for me a solvent has to be able to actually work as a bore solvent.
I also use the USGI RBC at times.
Guess Im just old fashioned and set in my ways..

GermanSynergy
08-04-10, 07:25
M-PRO 7 all the way... Cleans very well and doesn't have any of the odor of the Hoppes- a big deal when cleaning indoors...

pcf
08-04-10, 13:15
I use MPro7 occasionally and use MPro7 copper cleaner every thousand rounds for copper. Somewhere I read that they weren't solvents but broke down the bond between fouling and the bore, that's why they can be filtered and reused.

The copper cleaner doesn't eat bronze bore brushes and MPro7 is pretty good at removing paint.

jwinch2
08-04-10, 13:19
I use both the MPro7 CLP and the copper remover and have been happy with both products. No problems on my end at all.

chadbag
08-04-10, 13:19
If MPro came in the same little goofy looking brown bottle that #9 does, I wonder how many people would buy it? I suspect some people are lured in by the cool looking bottles and displays you see set up. Never tried it yet.

M-Pro 7 does not have goofy looking bottles. They use the same sorts of pumps and squeeze bottles everyone else does. The label is (now) kind of cool looking but previous M-Pro 7 sold very well with rather normal looking labels as well.

cdj588
08-04-10, 14:21
I've been using Gunzilla. About two years ago a gunsmith/armorer recomended it to me during an armory school, and I was sold on it. I used to use CLP because that's what we had been using. I was given some MPro samples about a year ago and it worked alright, but I'm still stuck on Gunzilla. The Gunzilla is kinda pricey, but it works.

http://www.gunzilla.us/

Isnt gunzilla a clp? I heard its good at cleaning but isnt good at cleaning the barrel.

Blankwaffe
08-04-10, 14:48
M-Pro 7 does not have goofy looking bottles. They use the same sorts of pumps and squeeze bottles everyone else does. The label is (now) kind of cool looking but previous M-Pro 7 sold very well with rather normal looking labels as well.

Eguns,
I think he might have been talking about the pimpin 1950's style Hoppe's No.9 bottles.I could be wrong though.

Special K
08-04-10, 15:19
I can't change now. I've been addicted to the smell since I was 10. Even my wife is starting to like it.

Erratikmind
08-04-10, 23:22
i have been using MPro-7 products for quite some time, now. Their gun cleaner works very well. I recently switched from using their CLP to their gun oil LPX . . .Great stuff.

deadduck357
08-05-10, 18:36
M-Pro 7 Cleaner + M-Pro 7 Copper Remover + M-Pro 7 Gun Oil LPX has cut my turn around time in half.

gundam83
08-05-10, 19:54
So M-pro7 is the new hotness huh? I have some Hoppes #9 and a ton of BreakFree CLP that I still need to use up :o

deadduck357
08-05-10, 20:43
So M-pro7 is the new hotness huh? I have some Hoppes #9 and a ton of BreakFree CLP that I still need to use up :o

All my Hoppes and BreakFree is now in the closet, figure if I ran out of M-Pro 7 in the middle I got back-up.

Nevermiss
08-05-10, 21:45
I grew up on Hoppes #9 since I first started cleaning guns in the mid 70's. My dad made me clean all the guns after we went shooting. I would spend hours cleaning our shotguns, scrubbing every revolver, pistol, etc.

If I would have had MPro7, I could have finished in half the time and my Mother would have never complained about the smell in our house.

When I want to clean my guns, I use MPro7.

When I want to remember my childhood, I open the Hoppes #9.

ucrt
08-05-10, 23:33
Anyone every try KG-12 Bore Cleaner? Pretty impressive so far.

I told my wife if I ever go into a coma, on day 1 rub some Vick's sauve (Vick's Vapor-Rub for you youngsters) on my chest and the next day some Hoppe's. If I don't come out by the 3rd day, just unplug me...I'm gone. :)

cdj588
08-06-10, 00:44
Do you treat that KG-12 as a regular solvent or is it like a full blown copper remover? the type of copper remover where you have to follow directions specifically or you screw up your gun?

ucrt
08-06-10, 01:01
Do you treat that KG-12 as a regular solvent or is it like a full blown copper remover? the type of copper remover where you have to follow directions specifically or you screw up your gun?

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I've only used KG-12 once. I don't clean my AR's very often. I had about 400 rounds in it and I cleaned it like I regularly do, Hoppe's, brush, Sweet's, (Sweet's then dry patch, unitl I have clean patches), degreaser, oil.

Then, after I "thought" I had it clean, I ran one patch of alcohol to make sure it was dry and then one patch wet with KG-12, let it sit about 5-min, and then ran a dry patch. It came out dirtier than when I first started but the patch was brown. Repeated KG-12 about 4X's, until patch came out clean. Then, a couple of patches wet with alcohol to get the KG-12 out, then oiled it.

Since I've read that some guy ran a test where he soaked bullets in different solvent for 24-hrs. weighing before and after. He said the KG-12 dissolved more copper in 15-min than all of the others did in 24-hrs.

It doesn't stink, hurt skin and seems to be water based. Guess it has a different reaction to copper than all of the ammonia based cleaners. KG recommends you rinse KG-12 out with a degreaser but it doesn't hint of damaging your barrel.

I've got 1 AR that should hit 1500-rounds in a few weeks. I'll see how it does then.

Jake Bauer
08-06-10, 01:14
For you guys who use the new Mp7 gun oil LPX, what's the difference between it and original Mp7 gun oil?

deadduck357
08-06-10, 03:20
For you guys who use the new Mp7 gun oil LPX, what's the difference between it and original Mp7 gun oil?

The LPX is replacing the gun oil. Its formulated to adhere longer/better. Its also a preservative with some cleaning qualities.
Here:http://www.mpro7.com/MPro7-Gun-Oil-LPX.html

andhttp://www.mpro7.com/documents/M-Pro7_Gun_Oil_LPX_News_Release_1209.pdf

chadbag
08-06-10, 11:35
The LPX is replacing the gun oil. Its formulated to adhere longer/better. Its also a preservative with some cleaning qualities.
Here:http://www.mpro7.com/MPro7-Gun-Oil-LPX.html

andhttp://www.mpro7.com/documents/M-Pro7_Gun_Oil_LPX_News_Release_1209.pdf

It seems to be replacing their Gun Oil (which was a high grade medical machine oil) and their CLP (which was more an LP than C -- field grade cleaning only)

I use their gun oil still -- on my loading presses :-) It is just a medical grade light machine oil that was originally made for medical machinery, so I hear, and is good for light duty machine oil uses.

Erratikmind
08-06-10, 18:48
For you guys who use the new Mp7 gun oil LPX, what's the difference between it and original Mp7 gun oil?

I made the switch from the MPro-7 CLP to the gun oil LPX when I needed to buy more CLP. It simply coincided with their release of the LPX.

The immediate difference, which I noticed, was my Advantage Arms conversion kits for my G23 and G27 ran much smoother with regard to full cycling/extraction. In my personal experience, these 22lr conversion kits are required to run quite wet to function properly. Needless to say, I run my Glocks dry. Perhaps, that is not noting much for the original MPro-7 CLP. The said had always worked well with all of my other guns with exception of some of my 22lr arms.

With a bit of experimenting . . . My Sig mosquito and S&W 15-22 both run flawlessly with the LPX. Having made the transition with much personal success, I use the LPX as a lubricant for all of my guns, now.

Depending on the application, a small drop goes a long way. My cleaning time is much shorter, now. The carbon/crud build up wipes away much quicker. I really appreciate the ability of this liquid to stay in place where I apply it.

There are probably better products out there . . . But, until I have a need or find them, this stuff works great for my purposes.

LongRider
08-07-10, 05:11
Not to derail the thread if you want the best gun cleaner lubricant on earth bar none. Go read this thread on Defensive Carry Gunzilla The worlds best-gun cleaner (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?58033-Gunzilla-The-worlds-best-gun-cleaner) See why over 200 forum members switched to Gunzilla. Read the reports about if from Iraq and Afghanistan at their website Gunzilla.us (http://www.Gunzilla.us)

This product made me eat crow I bought it to prove all their claims were wrong........ Turns out I was wrong

Jake Bauer
08-08-10, 01:15
Thanks for the heads up on the LPX fellas.

This is a bit off topic, but I never used CLP (break free) before I got my AR and lubed up my P220, Ruger Service Six, 10/22 and AR before I went shooting this weekend and wow.. junk just wiped right off. I shouldve started using it a long time ago.

maximus83
08-08-10, 12:59
For cleaning I use: Mpro-7 for all-purpose cleaning, and for stubborn bore deposits, Sharp Shootr Wipe-out (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=112089).

Also, here's a good link on bore cleaning. It's for benchrest shooters, but the best solvents IMO that they mention (including Mpro-7 and Wipe-out) work well on all my firearms including AR's. One caution, if you start using Wipe-out bore cleaner: most folks who have tried it prefer the "Patch-out" liquid version that you put on a patch, rather than the foam-based version that you squirt into your barrel like shaving cream. The foam works just as well, but it's harder to control and sometimes ends up being wasteful or messy. The patch-out liquid version is just easier to work with.

http://www.6mmbr.com/borecleaning.html

deadduck357
08-08-10, 13:23
For cleaning I use: Mpro-7 for all-purpose cleaning, and for stubborn bore deposits, Sharp Shootr Wipe-out (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=112089).

Also, here's a good link on bore cleaning. It's for benchrest shooters, but the best solvents IMO that they mention (including Mpro-7 and Wipe-out) work well on all my firearms including AR's. One caution, if you start using Wipe-out bore cleaner: most folks who have tried it prefer the "Patch-out" liquid version that you put on a patch, rather than the foam-based version that you squirt into your barrel like shaving cream. The foam works just as well, but it's harder to control and sometimes ends up being wasteful or messy. The patch-out liquid version is just easier to work with.

http://www.6mmbr.com/borecleaning.html

I personally Do Not Use foam bore cleaners in my ARs due to the gas port & tube.

fullmetalredhead
08-08-10, 15:10
I personally Do Not Use foam bore cleaners in my ARs due to the gas port & tube.

Spraying a little compressed air into the gas tube will flush out any residual cleaner from the foam treatment.

uwe1
08-08-10, 16:01
Do you guys disassemble the BCG and other parts and soak them in the MPro7 or just spray everything down and wipe later?

Erratikmind
08-08-10, 17:13
Do you guys disassemble the BCG and other parts and soak them in the MPro7 or just spray everything down and wipe later?

I am in the habit of cleaning my BCG after each range session. As such, I simply remove BCG and CH, remove the bolt, and give the said a light spray with the MPro-7 gun cleaner. I set everything aside to soak a bit. After a few minutes, I wipe the parts down and will apply more gun cleaner, if required. After everything has been wipe down, I apply the LPX to the bolt, reassemble the BCG, and apply LPX to the main carrier.

streck
08-19-10, 20:20
If I switched from Hoppes, my wife would think I was having an affair.

montrala
08-20-10, 03:32
I use M-Pro7 for last like 5 years or so for both rifles and handguns. Basically for parts like bolt carrier or handgun slide nothing more that spraying M-Pro 7 and wiping with paper towel some 20mins later is needed. I basically use Cleaner, Bore Cleanes Gel, Oil, CLP and Copper Remover.

Only other thing I use if Forrest bore cleaning foam from Finland - they made it originally for tank cannon barrels ;)

BTW Here we see M-Pro7 sold also as "Hoppes Elite"

chadbag
08-20-10, 10:27
BTW Here we see M-Pro7 sold also as "Hoppes Elite"

For all intents and purposes this is true.

Anal retentives will use Hoppes Elite gun cleaner first, and finish with M-Pro 7... (The formulations are slightly different with Hoppes Elite having slightly more of the "carbon cutting" stuff and M-Pro 7 slightly more of the "conditioning" stuff). The biggest difference is the marketing. Hoppes Elite is marketed to sport shooters, competitive shooters, etc. M-Pro 7 is marketed to hunters, outdoors shooters, police, military.

MarshallDodge
08-20-10, 10:46
Another vote for MPro7. Been using it for nearly 15 years.

I use Wipe Out in my bores. A little bit of foam will get in the gas tube but has not caused any issues to my knowledge.

ra2bach
08-20-10, 10:55
Just got a sample pack of the M-Pro 7 cleaner and oil. I'm not sure how much better they work than anything else but I do like the "system" approach. I sometimes wondered if there was some conflict between using brand A cleaner and following up with Brand B lube...

MechEng
08-20-10, 10:58
I find it funny the number of guys, that say their wives, influence the gun cleaning solvents they buy. For the record Iím married and completely understand their predicament.

Iíve tried many different solvents, oils, lubes, ect. and have yet to find one that measurably works better than any other. I just buy Hoppses #9 because I like the smell, Gun Scrubber because Iím lazy and use Break Free CLP because 20 years ago I procured a gallon jug of it from the Army.