US House Rep Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) shot at public event.... [Archive] - Page 2

Belmont31R

01-10-11, 01:44

Bingo.....

They also wanted to tie the no fly list to NICS. So without a single day in court the gov can put you on a list banning you from purchasing a firearm.

Im half way worried about this because it wasn't just the average person who was shot here. A US house rep was shot point blank in the head, and a chief justice was killed among other people. Its one of "theirs" so to speak which means the pol's are going to take particular interest in this.

Never underestimate who we are up against. As seen by their reaction without even knowing the name of the shooter they were already blaming Palin, the Tea Party, and saying AZ is a gun nut state. They will dance in the blood of the fallen if it means they get to push their agenda.

Belmont31R

01-10-11, 01:48

Some new info for the thread:

"Mr. Loughner had complained to a friend about how he was treated by the Arizona lawmaker during an event several years ago, which aggravated Mr. Loughner, according to the friend."]Mr. Loughner had complained to a friend about how he was treated by the Arizona lawmaker during an event several years ago, which aggravated Mr. Loughner, according to the friend.

Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

In 2007, the year he would have graduated from high school, Mr. Loughner was arrested in Pima County and charged with possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia, according to court records. His case was dismissed.

Mr. Loughner went "through a tagging phase" in 2009, said Mr. Montanaro, painting graffiti, using phrases from literature. He also would sit in unlocked cars, he said, until the night he was chased off by one car's apparent owner.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy

Iraqgunz

01-10-11, 02:11

It's too bad we couldn't go back to the days of Tombstone. Then we could throw a rope over this POS's neck and stretch him out. Save the tax payers some money and serve some justice.

Jake'sDad

01-10-11, 02:37

It's too bad we couldn't go back to the days of Tombstone. Then we could throw a rope over this POS's neck and stretch him out. Save the tax payers some money and serve some justice.

Unfortunately, we're going to be seeing this POS on the news through his various court proceedings for quite some time.

Unless he has the common decency to slash his jugular or hang himself in his cell.

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-10-11, 03:44

Im half way worried about this because it wasn't just the average person who was shot here. A US house rep was shot point blank in the head, and a chief justice was killed among other people. Its one of "theirs" so to speak which means the pol's are going to take particular interest in this.

It was kind of sick to watch "Meet the Press" and see how they concentrated on Giffords, with a nod to the judge and just passing reference to other vicitms- and at least one was a staffer. I understand the others are private citizens and Giffords was the target, but there were a lot of victims here. For God's sake, we worry more about collateral damage in A-stan than we do in A-state.

And where are the heros. At least two men and one woman initially tackled him and a CCW holder moved towards the sound of gun fire and helped keep him down.

People are complaining about the discourse and how it lead to this tragedy as they try to put their own political spin on it.

The Sheriff is a piece of work, I knew I had seen him in the news before. I saw his comment that this shooting shows why the AZ proposed law to allow students and faculty to carry was a terrible idea. I see what happened and I think it makes a grear agruement FOR more authorized people to be carrying.

Another nut case, throwing more flags than a referee at a prison inmate soccer game between the bloods and cryps, gets shuffled along and 19 families are paying the price. And all the pols seem to care about is making themselves safer and trying to score political points.

SteyrAUG

01-10-11, 03:55

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_gunman

The Loughner they met when he was a freshman at Mountain View High School may have been socially awkward, but he was generally happy and fun to be around. The crew smoked marijuana every day, and when they weren't going to concerts or watching movies they talked about the meaning of life and dabbled in conspiracy theories.

For a time, Loughner drank heavily, to the point of poisoning himself, the friends said. Once, during school lunch break as a junior, he downed so much tequila that he came back to class, within five minutes passed out cold, had to be rushed to the hospital and "almost died," one friend said.

Mistrust of government was Loughner's defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system ("a New World Order currency" one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

Wanna know why this shit happens?

Loughner lives with his parents about a five-minute drive from the shootings, in a middle-class neighborhood lined with desert landscaping and palm trees

Well that is a big part of it, grown fucking adults still living with their parents with no job, no responsibilities and nothing to do but fuck off at school, get high and waste time on conspiracy bullshit.

When your kids turn 18, unless they are in school to actually "be something" kick their asses out of your house and make them get a fucking job so they can barely afford to share an apartment with four friends.

When they are busy with real life shit like finding a job and not being allowed to act like a fucktard or else be fired, paying their share of the rent and electric bill and having to take care of themselves for a damn change they won't have time for 9-11 and NWO horseshit.

And if they just can't make it, fine. They become homeless and sleep in the park, safe bet they won't have money for guns and ammo. Either way, problem solved.

ForTehNguyen

01-10-11, 08:53

you know its funny after the Fort Hood shooting, the media urged "caution" before jumping to conclusions. Now with this happening its suddenly Palin and Glenn Becks fault. What a huge and blatant double standard by the MSM.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

Nevertheless, public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not "jump to conclusions" about Hasan's motive. CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.

"The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

"We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."

"I'm on Pentagon chat room," said former CIA operative Robert Baer on CNN, also the night of the shooting. "Right now, there's messages going back and forth, saying do not jump to the conclusion this had anything to do with Islam."

The next day, President Obama underscored the rapidly-forming conventional wisdom when he told the country, "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." In the days that followed, CNN jouralists and guests repeatedly echoed the president's remarks.

"We can't jump to conclusions," Army Gen. George Casey said on CNN November 8. The next day, political analyst Mark Halperin urged a "transparent" investigation into the shootings "so the American people don't jump to conclusions." And when Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra, then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, suggested that the Ft. Hood attack was terrorism, CNN's John Roberts was quick to intervene. "Now, President Obama has asked people to be very cautious here and to not jump to conclusions," Roberts said to Hoekstra. "By saying that you believe this is an act of terror, are you jumping to a conclusion?"

Fast forward a little more than a year, to January 8, 2011. In Tucson, Arizona, a 22 year-old man named Jared Lee Loughner opened fire at a political event, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing a federal judge and five others, and wounding 18. In the hours after the attack, little was known about Loughner beyond some bizarre and largely incomprehensible YouTube postings that, if anything, suggested he was mentally ill. Yet the network that had shown such caution in discussing the Ft. Hood shootings openly discussed the possibility that Loughner was inspired to violence by…Sarah Palin. Although there is no evidence that Loughner was in any way influenced by Palin, CNN was filled with speculation about the former Alaska governor.

GermanSynergy

01-10-11, 09:24

Yup-

In the aftermath of the Ft.Hood Massacre, the media was oh so careful as to not offend the sensibilities of Muslims. Their tone was servile and deferential in the extreme.

In this case, the media was reading from a script, prior to having a single fact about the shooter.

Here's what they said:

-War Veteran
-White
-Tea Party member
-Motivated by Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck,etc

As far as I'm concerned, the ones formenting hatred and division in this country belong to the mid stream media and the political left.

Their hypocritical and sanctimonious calls for "stopping the hate" are even more sickening in the wake of this tragedy.

you know its funny after the Fort Hood shooting, the media urged "caution" before jumping to conclusions. Now with this happening its suddenly Palin and Glenn Becks fault. What a huge and blatant double standard by the MSM.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

Outlander Systems

01-10-11, 10:08

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_gunman

Wanna know why this shit happens?

Well that is a big part of it, grown fucking adults still living with their parents with no job, no responsibilities and nothing to do but fuck off at school, get high and waste time on conspiracy bullshit.

When your kids turn 18, unless they are in school to actually "be something" kick their asses out of your house and make them get a fucking job so they can barely afford to share an apartment with four friends.

When they are busy with real life shit like finding a job and not being allowed to act like a fucktard or else be fired, paying their share of the rent and electric bill and having to take care of themselves for a damn change they won't have time for 9-11 and NWO horseshit.

And if they just can't make it, fine. They become homeless and sleep in the park, safe bet they won't have money for guns and ammo. Either way, problem solved.

Dude, you are the heat. And I agree with you completely.

Considering the numbnutz is still at home, suckling on mommy and daddy's milk, can someone please explain WTF this is:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/10/alg_loughner_shrine-exclusive.jpg

I'm sorry, but what the hell? If my adult child is kicked out of school for being a wack job, and is building a goddamned altar to who knows what in my back yard, I'd be asking some serious questions. VERY, serious questions.

Idle hands/Devil's playground indeed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html?r=news

M4arc

01-10-11, 12:13

Gents, let's tone it down. Try and remember that we're in this together. Okay?

As for further restrictions it appears you are correct. Here's an email I just received from the VCDL:

The Brady Campaign couldn't wait to get in front of the press to call for more gun control (and more money) in the wake of the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and 18 other people over the weekend. And the usual anti-gunners in Congress are now rushing to put in bills to restrict your right to keep and bear arms. Here is some important information about the shooting: A LEGALLY ARMED CITIZEN HELPED HOLD DOWN THE SHOOTER As it turns out there was a legally armed citizen who helped subdue Jared Lee Loughner. Upon hearing the shots, Joe Zamudio, who was legally carrying concealed, RAN TOWARDS the shots (as I expect a lot of you would have done, too), not away from the shots, hoping to stop the shooter and save lives. As an armed citizen he was in a position to do just that. However, upon arriving, he saw that Loughner had just been disarmed and two men were struggling to subdue him. Zamudio, realizing there was no need for him to draw his gun at that point, wisely left it concealed and proceeded to assist in subduing and holding the shooter. As I have said before, it is frequently the citizen who is the "first responder" to crimes and emergencies out of necessity. They may have to stop the actions of a violent criminal, render aid to a hurt person, etc. while waiting for the police, ambulances, and firetrucks to arrive. The Fox News timeline shows police/paramedics arriving eight minutes after the first 9-1-1 call was placed. During that time the citizen first responders were saving lives. Here is the CNN interview where Zamudio talks about being armed, running towards the shots, and helping hold Loughner: From CNN: http://tinyurl.com/2vltqpp The Fox timeline for the shooting: From Fox News: http://tinyurl.com/22rqtzn 10:11 a.m. -- First 911 call is received10:19 a.m. -- 6-member rescue crew arrives. Hats off to all four of the citizens, armed and unarmed, who subdued the killer at great risk to their own lives. HERE COME THE ANTIS DANCING IN BLOOD At least one legislator is rushing to put forward an anti-gun bill because of this tragedy. Other legislators are talking about putting in similar bills. Shamelessly as usual, the Brady Campaign has already called for donations to their group based on the shooting. As soon as today anti-gun New York Congresswoman Caroline McCarthy wants to put in a bill limiting the magazine capacity of firearms: From Politico: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html A HEARTBROKEN FATHER SPEAKS AGAINST MORE RESTRICTIONS On the other side, the grieving father of the murdered 9-year-old girl tells Fox News that his daughter would not want more restrictions placed on Americans based on her death (this is a tough, tough interview to listen to): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj47lB1a-0Y WHAT TO DO NOW While I don't see anti-gun bills getting any traction in the newly elected Congress, we need to keep an eye on them just in case. VCDL will put out a call for action should it be necessary. In the meantime our thoughts and prayers go to those touched by the shooting, as we focus on the Virginia General Assembly, which starts this week.

Sorry for the poor formating, I have to run to a meeting and don't have time to clean it up.

Honu

01-10-11, 12:53

they are going to try to use this crisis to control what you can say about politicians and take away your free speech !!!!

reading more about some dems that want to do this to you is just as scary as firearm control and in my eyes is a way to lead up to taking your guns without passing gun laws !!!!

I bet it will be worded in a way they can call you dangerous and come take the guns you have to avoid things like this Tuscon shooting !!!! if you ever speak your mind or if they start passing restrictions you dont like they can come after you and take your guns to protect themselves will be the excuse !!! they wont need gun control laws

I think they have learned you cant go after guns directly so find a way to get around it

and as they have said never let a good crisis go to waste and now they have one and will work it

they might try a few anti gun laws ? and some are but they will fail so this is in my mind to watch but dont watch it so hard you miss the new speech control laws coming at you !!!!

GermanSynergy

01-10-11, 13:02

....and these new restrictions will only be applied to conservatives... :mad:

they are going to try to use this crisis to control what you can say about politicians and take away your free speech !!!!

reading more about some dems that want to do this to you is just as scary as firearm control and in my eyes is a way to lead up to taking your guns without passing gun laws !!!!

I bet it will be worded in a way they can call you dangerous and come take the guns you have to avoid things like this Tuscon shooting !!!! if you ever speak your mind or if they start passing restrictions you dont like they can come after you and take your guns to protect themselves will be the excuse !!! they wont need gun control laws

I think they have learned you cant go after guns directly so find a way to get around it

and as they have said never let a good crisis go to waste and now they have one and will work it

they might try a few anti gun laws ? and some are but they will fail so this is in my mind to watch but dont watch it so hard you miss the new speech control laws coming at you !!!!

usmcvet

01-10-11, 13:23

I can not begin to imagine the pain the Green family is suffering. My thoughts and prayers are with them and Little Christiana. I copied a few posts that really made me think about this little girl and how special she was.

The nine-year-old girl murdered today, Christina Taylor Green, was recently elected to the student council at her elementary school and a neighbor took her to today's event to meet a real member of Congress. Christina was also featured in a book entitled Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11. The text with her photo reads "I hope you know all the words to the Star Spangled Banner and sing it with your hand over your heart. I hope you jump in rain puddles."

" Her mother said she liked to tell people she was born on a holiday. The mother said she tried to explain to her what 9-11 was, and it wasn't really a holiday, but the girl said it still was because it was a day of hope, and people coming together. We lost a jewel yesterday, no doubt.

kaiservontexas

01-10-11, 13:24

I am more concerned about the 1st Amendment then the 2nd Amendment. It seems they are always trying to get hate speech, fairness doctrine, real internet id, etc, etc passed into law.

I do not know if anybody saw this, but the father of the deceased daughter was interviewed. I must say he is one stand up individual. Prayers to him and his . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rj47lB1a-0Y

SHIVAN

01-10-11, 13:49

I know you all probably read this and thought nothing of it. Now two of are just a minor infraction away from a 10 day vacation from the site.

Knock it off.

I need to make this perfectly clear, everyone is getting a little too personal and the challenges for bets against one another is prima facie evidence.

Stop that kind of thing, and discussions will have a much longer shelf life here.

If I need to make another post like this one, some people won't be here to continue the discussion. I hope I'm clear.

SteyrAUG

01-10-11, 14:20

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-10-11, 14:32

Yep. Sad that one almost wishes this retard was a Muslim.

I take that to mean if he ended up being Muslim, all these ties to the Tea Party would make even less sense and the MSM would have egg on their face?

John_Wayne777

01-10-11, 14:48

If the individual who perpetrated this heinous act were muslim one would probably see the mainstreamers urging caution and calling for a thorough investigation before rushing to judgment on the motivations of the shooter and his motives.

You know, like they did after the Fort Hood shooting.

At least then the airwaves would be free of people blaming political speech for this crime.

Belmont31R

01-10-11, 14:50

I take that to mean if he ended up being Muslim, all these ties to the Tea Party would make even less sense and the MSM would have egg on their face?

I think they already have egg on their face. The people that matter, the independents, are not going to buy Palin being the cause of this with her graph, and it can be easily shown the left was doing the same thing with the same district. The far left was already calling her a "bad democrat", and she voted against Pelosi for minority leader.

I think this reaction is namely because of the huge loss the left took in the 2010 elections, and trying to bring down Palin/TeaParty/Beck as lashing out against them because the left perceives them as the biggest threat.

This Sheriff, as it turns out, was aware of Loughner and could had pressed charges against him or gotten him committed for a mental evaluation. Turns out his mom works for the Parks Dept, and everyone who knew he was dangerous, making threats, and not right in the head failed to do their duty. He would have either been locked up or had a record of involuntarily commitment to a mental institution. Even his parents could have pressed it....but they seem to have issues too with that shrine in their backyard and anger issues with the neighbor. The Sheriff has to come out blaming conservatives, Palin, ect because he knows he failed to protect society from this guy. He could have taken action.

Where was the campus PD?

The ultimate responsibility is always going to be on Loughner but if people want to start throwing around anti 1A and 2A legislation because of this the truth needs to come out. It didn't have anything to do with Palin or anyone else. This guy seems to be obsessed with Giffords and has had contact with her since at least 2007. Sounds like he just had a really fucked up version of reality in his head, and she just happened to be his target. Crazy people seem to be attracted to high profile people. Sometimes celebrities...sometimes politicians. Theres nothing we can do as a society but try to catch these people early on before they go off the deep end and start shooting people. All the warning signs were there. Classmates, teachers, run ins with the law, death threats, drug use, ect. What more could he have done to attract negative attention prior to this?

jman4427

01-10-11, 17:50

Boy. The rhetoric being spewed by the right is so poisonous and the political climate is so volatile, that in a predominately republican district, a whopping 25 or so people were in attendance.... and mostly because they actually like her.

Yet the "vitriol" (liberal buzzword of the week) is unprecedented.

Its clear, that fact and the above suggestion aren't congruent, yet it continues to be repeated. The squabbling between opposing parties is inherent and congenital. No we aren't best of friends but we get along well enough. The disagreements and disputes have always happened, will continue to happen and hearing pundit after pundit exclaim this is the first time they have ever happened and urging something be done, is really quite frustrating.

Funny how liberals pride themselves in using logic and being "sensible" (they're favorite word that they always say right before the words "gun regulation"), yet can't seem to apply it to this situation. I guess its way more fun not to.

Iraqgunz

01-10-11, 18:25

It's being reported that the FBI is at his house and was requesting entry. Apparently the family is denying them at this point. Details seem to be sketchy.

jaydoc1

01-10-11, 19:09

It's being reported that the FBI is at his house and was requesting entry. Apparently the family is denying them at this point. Details seem to be sketchy.

My wife was asking me just yesterday why the parents hadn't been heard from yet. I told her it was probably that since he was living with them and I'm sure they had a good idea what an insane individual he was, that they were worried they have some culpability here.

Palmguy

01-10-11, 19:22

It's being reported that the FBI is at his house and was requesting entry. Apparently the family is denying them at this point. Details seem to be sketchy.

Seems like they'd be able to get a search warrant about as easily as any search warrant has ever been granted...

Jake'sDad

01-10-11, 20:43

Seems like they'd be able to get a search warrant about as easily as any search warrant has ever been granted...

I thought one was already served at the house?

And I know looks can be deceiving..... but seriously?

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/7/0/701498/1294700066163.JPEG

usmcvet

01-10-11, 20:55

I thought one was already served at the house?

And I know looks can be deceiving..... but seriously?

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/7/0/701498/1294700066163.JPEG

He needs a lead asprin after a fair and speedy trial.

Belmont31R

01-10-11, 21:47

This guys professor at the community college said tonight they actually had to have a campus LEO stand in the classroom a week or two into the semester.

How does someone like this attract so much attention, and never be sent for a physch eval?

Of course MSNBC is on a non stop bandwagon calling for another AWB. Even someone commentator on Fox Special Report said people shouldn't even be able to own semi auto guns (she said automatic at first- doesn't even know what they are but wants them banned).

So we got a guy who is so nutty a LEO has to stand in the classroom, sheriff says he's made death threats before, is turned down by the military, gets arrested for drugs, and yet the problem is people can own semi-auto handguns, and rifles with flash hiders and detachable magazines? That prof was saying he would start shaking randomly, clinching his fists, bust out laughing in the middle of class, would put answers on tests that had no meaning and nothing to do with the question, ect. But no...because the system failed in this case we gotta take away the rights of the other 300 million people in this country who aren't bat shit insane. We also gotta pass a law that says we can't say anything bad about a politician.

And that is one ugly motherfucker who really does look off. He is the son Sloth from the Goonies?

SHIVAN

01-10-11, 21:52

usmcvet

01-10-11, 21:52

I hope people can see this for what it is. This is about a person making some pretty shitty decisions not about Guns.

Entropy

01-10-11, 21:53

And that is one ugly motherfucker who really does look off. He is the son Sloth from the Goonies?

I was thinking of a younger version of uncle Fester.

Bubba FAL

01-10-11, 22:05

I happened to be watching Fox & Friends yesterday morning when Christina Green's mother was interviewed. The strength and grace shown by this woman was amazing - and had Gretchen in tears by the end of the interview. The world is diminished by the loss of Christina.

For that alone, I hope the perpetrator of this stupid crime is dispatched to spend eternity with his master Lucifer in a most expeditious manner. IMO, just as the owners of a vicious dog are culpable for the acts perpetrated by said animal, his parents share some culpability for allowing such a sick individual to roam free in society. Massive red flags were waving, bright neon handwriting was on the wall. Blind, stupid, willfully negligent - whatever, they share the responsibility. Destroy the animal, punish it's keepers.

Of course, that's just my opinion...

John_Wayne777

01-10-11, 22:27

If this had been Thailand, or Mexico, or wherever else, that fucker's face would be held on right now by duct tape and dental floss from the beating he would have caught at the hands of the mob. Shame we are so restrained...

After finding out the full extent of the damage he did one wonders if his subduers are wishing they'd bashed his skull in with a rock instead.

Robb Jensen

01-10-11, 22:37

After finding out the full extent of the damage he did one wonders if his subduers are wishing they'd bashed his skull in with a rock instead.

I can say from recent personal experience it does take some real restraint.

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-10-11, 22:39

That Sheriff needs to be put in his place. Someone needs to ask him where he was over the past 5 years as this psycho was running around his area of responsibility and he did nothing, but he had the time somehow became an expert on media criticism.

pilotguyo540

01-10-11, 22:40

Many of you have asked hou someone this fucked up can not be sent in for a psych eval. I have had some personal experience with this. My brother in law was bat shit crazy. My sister wouldn't listen, you know, because she knew the real him. We tried to get him in to get checked out. Years it took just to get him in the door. My dad finally convinced him he might be able to get disability if he went in. So he went. They gave him some meds, a welfare check and that was about it. Stupid fucker accidentally committed suicide (don't ask, its too funny). That was the best thing that ever happened to my sister and her boys. He even had a restraining order against his kids. My stupid sister still lived with him (and with the kids in the home)

There are times when there is nothing you can do. My brother in law needed to die 10 years ago. I couldn't do what needed to be done without risking prison. I knew he was going to kill my sister and his boys. Thank God he fucked up and killed himself first.

Way too much personal info here, but I hope it can help someone else.

usmcvet

01-10-11, 22:49

I've been a cop here in VT for 19 years. It is harder than it should be to get people help. This is clearly someone who needed it badly. I worked with an old timer who told me about the way they used to institutionalize people in the 50's & 60's when he started. If you had MR or a physical handicap you were shipped to the VT State Hospital. It is good there are protections in place. I think they've swung a little too far and need to come back closer to the center. His parents need a hard look too.

Belmont31R

01-10-11, 23:21

I just see this as a failure of our society. He had issues with multiple people all of whom did nothing. The same thing happened with the VT shooter Cho. I believe that guy even went before a judge about his mental condition. That judge could have declared him mentally unfit and banned him from being able to own guns. This is how people are supposed to be denied gun purchases. In both cases these people were known to be dangerous, had issues with multiple people in positions of authority, and yet no one does anything to get these people in a place where they can't hurt anyone. Im a die hard libertarian and even I think people who are like this need to be in some type of institution. Its our responsibility as a society to care for those who cannot care for themselves (even our Founding Fathers believed in this), and removing people from society who are unfit to be amongst us. If you're so dangerous a damn LEO has to stand in the classroom, and then they just turn him loose afterward...what were they thinking?

Read the wiki about Cho: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre#Perpetrator

This is what Congress needs to be looking at not firearms bans and 1st Amendment restrictions. Thats not going to keep another mentally defective person from shooting people. I know we can never catch them all but its friggin ridiculous these people are putting our gun rights in jeopardy because the legal system and those in authority can't or won't get these people out of society. Im not saying round up every depressed person but these dudes went way past normal depression. When they show patterns of aggressive behavior, threats, drug use, ect...its time to get them somewhere where they can be treated BEFORE they go buy a gun and use it on innocent people. Cho was THREE years old, and they knew he had mental issues already.

kal

01-10-11, 23:29

But no...because the system failed in this case we gotta take away the rights of the other 300 million people in this country who aren't bat shit insane. We also gotta pass a law that says we can't say anything bad about a politician.

That's the Western way, to punish everybody that had nothing to do with the situation.

The problem with our nation is that we want 100% safety, but that's not reality, nor will it ever be.

So we demolish ourselves with more and more destructuve legislation.

.....for safety of course.:rolleyes:

kal

01-10-11, 23:34

That judge could have declared him mentally unfit and banned him from being able to own guns. This is how people are supposed to be denied gun purchases.

I don't like this one bit.

It seems too easy for abuse, thus having crap loads of people barred from owning firearms when they aren't actually a danger.

SteyrAUG

01-10-11, 23:50

I take that to mean if he ended up being Muslim, all these ties to the Tea Party would make even less sense and the MSM would have egg on their face?

No I mean there wouldn't be calls to regulate free speech and basically the MSM would be powerless to say anything negative about the shooter and his motivations. It is the one instance where they are worried about "rushing to judgment."

djegators

01-10-11, 23:54

Never mind the rush to judgment, they STILL have not acknowledged that the Ft Hood shooting was a part of radical Islam.

Belmont31R

01-11-11, 00:08

Never mind the rush to judgment, they STILL have not acknowledged that the Ft Hood shooting was a part of radical Islam.

Remember if its a muslim then islam is not the fault. If its a crazy white guy with zero known links to the right wing then its the right wings fault.

Heres another one that seems to have dropped off the radar. Why no calls for Al Gore to tone down his global warming mantra? Why aren't environmental groups being lambasted?

Lee said at the time that he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Quite the change in tone isn't it?

carbinero

01-11-11, 01:28

http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/

"Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.

"Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.

"This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact."

No need to write new gun control laws...

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/09/132780313/sheriff-accused-shooter-unhinged-made-threats

"As we understand it, there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats to kill," Dupnik said during a press conference Saturday evening. But he wouldn't say who those threats were aimed at.

Jake'sDad

01-11-11, 01:39

http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/

If the writer in that blog is telling the truth, I hope this gets rammed up Dupnik's ass......

variablebinary

01-11-11, 03:08

Irony:

Psycho shooter spoke about government controlling grammar.

Dems introduce bills trying to control speech...

Amazing...

Edit: I am watching Chris Matthews now, he is drooling like he just came out of a gay bath house over the issue of guns in America and had the balls to suggest that America has a greater problem with political assassinations than China, Latin America, Mexico and Africa.

Really?

Rider79

01-11-11, 10:49

R/Tdrvr

01-11-11, 12:21

It was kind of sick to watch "Meet the Press" and see how they concentrated on Giffords, with a nod to the judge and just passing reference to other vicitms- and at least one was a staffer. I understand the others are private citizens and Giffords was the target, but there were a lot of victims here. For God's sake, we worry more about collateral damage in A-stan than we do in A-state.

And where are the heros. At least two men and one woman initially tackled him and a CCW holder moved towards the sound of gun fire and helped keep him down.

People are complaining about the discourse and how it lead to this tragedy as they try to put their own political spin on it.

The Sheriff is a piece of work, I knew I had seen him in the news before. I saw his comment that this shooting shows why the AZ proposed law to allow students and faculty to carry was a terrible idea. I see what happened and I think it makes a grear agruement FOR more authorized people to be carrying.

This is why it was nice to watch Megyn Kelly on FNC give more than just a passing reference to the other victims that were killed. They highlighted each ones life. And she also called that sheriff out on his "opinion".

ForTehNguyen

01-11-11, 13:12

This is why it was nice to watch Megyn Kelly on FNC give more than just a passing reference to the other victims that were killed. They highlighted each ones life. And she also called that sheriff out on his "opinion".

b b but its Fox's fault!

Magic_Salad0892

01-11-11, 14:53

I teared up from sadness during the interview with Christina Green's parents, I teared up out of anger from the reaction of the lefts trying to use this (a death of our own countrymen) as a means to restrict us.

Laws only apply to the people that follow them.

I don't know what shakes me up more. The death of the little girl, or the left dancing in the still-warm blood of their own (D) politician to make sure neither one of us can defend ourselves.

Rider79

01-11-11, 15:13

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/11/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-funeral-of-9-year-old-arizona/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%7C35835

Members of the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church plan to protest outside the funeral of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, one of six people killed Saturday in the Tucson, Ariz., shootings.

I'll just leave this here without comment. Otherwise I may say something that will get me banned. :mad:

Magic_Salad0892

01-11-11, 15:22

Robb Jensen

01-11-11, 15:23

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/11/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-funeral-of-9-year-old-arizona/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%7C35835

I'll just leave this here without comment. Otherwise I may say something that will get me banned. :mad:

There's a special place in hell reserved for members of Westboro.

dookie1481

01-11-11, 15:47

I love the lefties denouncing the violent, hateful rhetoric spewed by the villainous right...implying that somehow they are above it.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

MTechnik

01-11-11, 15:53

Salon reported that a flier posted by the church on its website regarding the Tucson protest declared "God hates Catholics" -- the little girl's family is Catholic -- and "God Hates Fags." The church website also features a video with founder/pastor Fred Phelps thanking God for the deadly shootings.*

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SORRY SHIT?

I thought we had a law preventing people from protesting at a funeral?

*Fuck this guy. And they're blaming Palin?

I think they can't protest on the grounds of the funeral home or cemetery. But they will choose somewhere else to be.

http://www.patriotguard.org/ - This is a group of AWESOME PEOPLE. They find where WBC plans to show up, and they line all of the legal protesting locations with people. Then WBC can't take the spots, and they end up nearly a town over, irrelevant, unable to be a distraction. Many time the Patriot Guard show up on straight-piped harleys, and as WBC starts chanting, they rev the engines.

I'm not a harley fan but I'd SO much rather hear a v-twin than a Phelps family member.

montanadave

01-11-11, 16:10

MTechnik

01-11-11, 16:13

Looks like the folks in Tucson (with the support of the Arizona legislature) are going to be well prepared for whatever WBC filth descend on the memorial services of those who perished in last weekend's tragedy.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T2

sound like a good idea, but I hope it isn't windy:

In addition to the expected legislation, some Tucson residents are planning an "angel action" -- with 8- by 10-foot "angel wings" worn by participants to shield mourners from picketers.

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-11-11, 16:29

I've said it before..... narcoleptic snow plow driver with a sharp blade drives by the WBC protest.

uwe1

01-12-11, 00:23

I've said it before..... narcoleptic snow plow driver with a sharp blade drives by the WBC protest.

Too bad it doesn't really snow in Tucson....this doesn't mean that there couldn't be a narcoleptic snow plow driver just going through.

chadbag

01-12-11, 15:58

The Authoritarian Media - WSJ.com

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075660624213434.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

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Belmont31R

01-12-11, 16:24

The Authoritarian Media - WSJ.com

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075660624213434.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

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Yes....the left is the most hypocritical bunch on the planet. Constantly lying, covering up, and flat out ignoring their own side. The entire time Bush was in office they joked about him being killed or killing him themselves. Not every single one but it was often, and never decried by the leftist media. MSNBC spent every single day attacking him non stop.

But this shooting, they say theres no connection that can be made, and say ,"but", and start crying about how the right is making the political climate oh so dangerous. They just spent the last 8 years pumping up the left to the point constant calls of death agains the president was normal, and just attacking him in pretty vile ways. The right doesn't attack Obama even one quarter as bad. It was cool for Harry Reid to call Bush stupid in front of a camera, it was cool for lefties to carry signs calling for Bush's death, it was ok to setup a game outside the White House throwing shoes at a mock up of Bush, he was attacked everyday on MSNBC in ways Fox would never allow on the air, their were calls to Obama to charge Bush with war crimes and put him on trial....but suddenly an event that cannot really be even linked to politics in general let alone the politics of the right is now a time we have to tone things down? Where were these people in 2001-2009? Oh they were part of the constant harsh attacks, too.

I hope Americans are smart enough to figure out what the the MSM is doing.

chadbag

01-12-11, 18:48

As portrait of Jared Loughner sharpens, 'vitriol' blame fades - CSMonitor.com

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0112/As-portrait-of-Jared-Loughner-sharpens-vitriol-blame-fades

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Belmont31R

01-12-11, 19:25

As portrait of Jared Loughner sharpens, 'vitriol' blame fades - CSMonitor.com

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0112/As-portrait-of-Jared-Loughner-sharpens-vitriol-blame-fades

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Thats all Chris Matthews has been talking about for the last 20 minutes. He said once theres no evidence of a direct connection but lets talk about Sarah Palin and how evil she is. He keeps bringing up the cross hairs and bullseye talk. When is he going to bring up the Daily Kos article about "bad democrats" and how they are going to target blue dog dems. Even used the words target and bullseye in their article, and bolded Giffords name for extra attention. But somehow Sarah Palin is the only one in the world who seems to matter when people use those terms. Such dishonest reporting.

Oh and somehow "blood libel" means Palin is addicted to blood, guns, and violence according to their "intellectual" deep thinker.

chadbag

01-12-11, 19:29

Oh and somehow "blood libel" means Palin is addicted to blood, guns, and violence according to their "intellectual" deep thinker.

The actual intellectual ignorance of the left amazes me. They are supposed to be so smart yet their ignorance -- pure intellectual ignorance and lack of thinking ability -- is so astounding.

I won't claim any sort of great intellectual prowess, but these guys have not a clue what she is talking about. So shallow.

Belmont31R

01-12-11, 20:31

Is this a memorial service or a pep rally? All they need is the ASU cheerleaders on the side...:rolleyes:

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-12-11, 20:47

Is this a memorial service or a pep rally? All they need is the ASU cheerleaders on the side...:rolleyes:

Uhm, no offense- but I'd like the ASU cheerleaders at my funeral, especially if just a couple cried or tried to throw themselves on my casket- the chicks not the dudes.

khc3

01-12-11, 20:51

Is this a memorial service or a pep rally? All they need is the ASU cheerleaders on the side...:rolleyes:

It's a Memorially, like the Wellstone Funerally.

I think the response to this event answered a number of questions for me.

Belmont31R

01-12-11, 21:00

There is no way this is a memorial service.

uwe1

01-12-11, 21:30

Is this a memorial service or a pep rally? All they need is the ASU cheerleaders on the side...:rolleyes:

ASU cheerleaders at the UofA campus would be so "wrong".

LOKNLOD

01-12-11, 21:57

Is this a memorial service or a pep rally? All they need is the ASU cheerleaders on the side...:rolleyes:

I was asking my wife since when it was appropriate to whoop, cheer, and whistle endlessly at a funeral...

Very bad form for the people attending.

M4Fundi

01-13-11, 00:24

http://www.theonion.com/articles/shooting-suspect-released-after-not-breaking-any-a,18809/

LHS

01-13-11, 00:53

http://www.theonion.com/articles/shooting-suspect-released-after-not-breaking-any-a,18809/

Wow, I used to like the Onion, but that's just... over the top.

Patrick Aherne

01-13-11, 04:20

Thats all Chris Matthews has been talking about for the last 20 minutes. He said once theres no evidence of a direct connection but lets talk about Sarah Palin and how evil she is. He keeps bringing up the cross hairs and bullseye talk. When is he going to bring up the Daily Kos article about "bad democrats" and how they are going to target blue dog dems. Even used the words target and bullseye in their article, and bolded Giffords name for extra attention. But somehow Sarah Palin is the only one in the world who seems to matter when people use those terms. Such dishonest reporting.

Oh and somehow "blood libel" means Palin is addicted to blood, guns, and violence according to their "intellectual" deep thinker.

Dude, if you juast watched Chris Matthews for 20 minutes, you just doubled MSNBC's market share!:no:

variablebinary

01-13-11, 05:42

Thats all Chris Matthews has been talking about for the last 20 minutes. He said once theres no evidence of a direct connection but lets talk about Sarah Palin and how evil she is. He keeps bringing up the cross hairs and bullseye talk. When is he going to bring up the Daily Kos article about "bad democrats" and how they are going to target blue dog dems. Even used the words target and bullseye in their article, and bolded Giffords name for extra attention. But somehow Sarah Palin is the only one in the world who seems to matter when people use those terms. Such dishonest reporting.

Oh and somehow "blood libel" means Palin is addicted to blood, guns, and violence according to their "intellectual" deep thinker.

And apparently anti-semitic.

It's true, when Palin said blood libel, she was totally talking about Jews killing babies and using their blood to bake bread. If you missed that it's because you are not an intellectual academic from the north east, therefore you aren't smart enough to pick up the cues...

montanadave

01-13-11, 07:28

And apparently anti-semitic.

It's true, when Palin said blood libel, she was totally talking about Jews killing babies and using their blood to bake bread. If you missed that it's because you are not an intellectual academic from the north east, therefore you aren't smart enough to pick up the cues...

Palin's chronic "foot in mouth" disease can't be blamed on East-coast intellectual elites or "the lamestream media." The simple truth is that Sarah Palin frequently has no clue as to what the fuck she's talking about.

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-13-11, 08:46

I think blood libel is the perfect term to use. She is being blamed for a murder that she didn't commit in an effort to marginalize her. So it is a historical Jewish term, so what?

Someone tell me another term that fits better?

HeavyDuty

01-13-11, 09:32

I saw it mentioned that two other commentators used the term "blood libel" to describe this shooting before Palin did. Where's the rage against them?

Besides, as I understand it "blood libel" refers to the false accusation, not to the act itself. In my eyes blood libel is the perfect descriptor.

Palmguy

01-13-11, 10:08

variablebinary

01-13-11, 11:25

Honu

01-13-11, 12:06

Palin's chronic "foot in mouth" disease can't be blamed on East-coast intellectual elites or "the lamestream media." The simple truth is that Sarah Palin frequently has no clue as to what the fuck she's talking about.

so all the lefties then does that apply to them as well ?

or is this another OH that only applies to conservatives

Magic_Salad0892

01-13-11, 12:24

Did you guys know that the URL to WBC's home page is www.godhatesfags.com ?

What the hell?

WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth. We display large, colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including: GOD HATES FAGS, FAGS HATE GOD, AIDS CURES FAGS, THANK GOD FOR AIDS, FAGS BURN IN HELL, GOD IS NOT MOCKED, FAGS ARE NATURE FREAKS, GOD GAVE FAGS UP, NO SPECIAL LAWS FOR FAGS, FAGS DOOM NATIONS, THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS, FAG TROOPS, GOD BLEW UP THE TROOPS, GOD HATES AMERICA, AMERICA IS DOOMED, THE WORLD IS DOOMED, etc.

The ones in red bothered me the most.

The tab icon for their site that displays on my computer is also an upside down American Flag.

ETA: If a mod (or anybody who's offended) wants me to take this post down for any reason, just tell me and I'll delete it.

montanadave

01-13-11, 13:47

Went right over your head...

Seriously?

*sigh*

variablebinary

01-13-11, 13:51

Seriously?

*sigh*

Yeah, seriously.

John_Wayne777

01-13-11, 14:11

Did you guys know that the URL to WBC's home page is www.godhatesfags.com ?

ETA: If a mod (or anybody who's offended) wants me to take this post down for any reason, just tell me and I'll delete it.

Yes, I was aware of their site.

They are a bunch of lunatics who get their rocks off by being as offensive as humanly possible. The best thing society can do is generally ignore them. They'd shrivel up and die if nobody paid them any attention. ;)

ForTehNguyen

01-13-11, 14:22

ignore the WBC please, these are trolls that thrive on attention given to them. Deprive them of that and they will crawl back under their bridge.

R/Tdrvr

01-13-11, 14:37

I saw it mentioned that two other commentators used the term "blood libel" to describe this shooting before Palin did. Where's the rage against them?

It doesn't matter. Sarah Palin could have simply said the she and her family were praying for the victims, offered their condolences and left it at that, AND she still would get ripped by the liberals. ("WHAT! She couldn't say anything more that that!"). Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

What I want to know is why the libs get away with it? When Bush was POTUS, liberals continually called for his head, for him to die, wore t-shirts that read "KILL BUSH", etc. Yet no outrage about that.

SHIVAN

01-13-11, 14:47

Malkin has that picture of a guy holding a rifle to a cardboard likeness of Palin, and there is no outrage because many of that is just "regular liberal useful idiots", rather than people holding a formal position. Oh wait, Palin holds no formal position in the Republican, or Tea Party camps.

Hmm...

500grains

01-13-11, 16:30

Went right over your head...

I noticed that too. :D:D:D

chadbag

01-13-11, 16:35

Palin's chronic "foot in mouth" disease can't be blamed on East-coast intellectual elites or "the lamestream media." The simple truth is that Sarah Palin frequently has no clue as to what the fuck she's talking about.

I have never noticed Palin has foot in mouth disease. That seems to be more prevalent on MSNBC and in the NYT and other liberal bastions.

The plain fact and truth is, that the LEFTIST retards often have no clue what Sarah Palin is talking about because despite their air of intellectual superiority, most of them are actually intellectual lightweights who couldn't talk themselves out of bag.

I hate M Savage, but he is right. Liberalism is a mental disorder and it manifests itself in stupid reasoning, stupid comments, and intellectual dishonesty and lightweightedness (yes I made that word up).

chadbag

01-13-11, 16:41

notes on the term "blood libel" for all the morally and intellectually superior leftists

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The Term ‘Blood Libel’: More Common Than You Might Think

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/256955/term-blood-libel-more-common-you-might-think

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Exclusive: Alan Dershowitz Defends Sarah Palin’s Use of Term ‘Blood Libel’

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/exclusive-alan-dershowitz-defends-sarah-palins-use-of-term-blood-libel/

Dershowitz is no rightist.

500grains

01-13-11, 17:02

Probably each person's perception of what has caused the rancorous political climate is coloured by his/her own political leanings, but I have been annoyed that the leader of the left has repeatedly heightened the rhetoric to near violence-inciting levels. Examples:

** “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia on June 13th 2008.
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Punch Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
** “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
** "Punish your enemies." Obama to Latino supporters.
** "I'm itching for a fight." Obama to Democrats in a speech.
** A Republican victory would mean hand to hand combat." Obama

And if you think that trends may be important, then look at these incidents of politically-motivated violence:

Abraham Lincoln (1865) - killed by John Wilkes Booth, a Democrat
James Garfield (1881) - killed by Charles J. Guiteau, a Democrat
William McKinley (1901) - killed by Leon Czolgosz, Democratic Anarchist
John F. Kennedy (1963) - killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, Communist (emigrated to USSR then returned)

Attempts on:

Andrew Jackson by Robert B. Randolph, Democrat Liberal
Franklin D. Roosevelt by Giuseppe Zangara, Democrat Liberal
Harry S. Truman by Pedro Albizu Campos, Nationalist Socialist
Gerald Ford by Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a follower of Charles Manson, Socialist
Ronald Reagan by John Hinckley, Jr., Registered Democrat

VMI-MO

01-13-11, 17:27

Belmont31R

01-13-11, 18:00

This isnt about right/left. It is about right/wrong. Both sides have whack jobs. Both sides do stupid ignorant shit because they are fanatical and lost from reality.

As for the violence insighting comments I am sure there are quotes from Republicans which are just as "violent".

PJ

The point here is that the left's sudden denoucment of violent sounding rhetoric blaming it all on the right is simply another political attack which was spring boarded by this shooting.

If someone doesn't want violent sounding rhetoric mixed in with politics then they need to be honest about. Ive watched quite a bit of MSNBC the past week and all they bring up is right wing people and guns. I've yet to hear them bring up a single instance of Obama or really any left wing figure.

That makes their sudden denouncement of violent rhetoric and the right nothing but a politically motivated attack not a genuine fear of such language actually causing a shooting.

Funny....when Islamic people attack us or in the case of the Discovery Channel hostage taker guy (who claimed Al Gore for his inspiration) we were urged caution in jumping to conclusions or in the Disc Ch case it was forgotten about in a weak. There were no cries for Al Gore to tone down his rhetoric about global warming. He didn't even get so much as a passing mention.

Its also funny the violent anti-war riots in the 60's is like a badge of honor of the left, and carries onto today in their anti-war rhetoric. Violent protests are ok if its something the left is pushing. How come they never bring up Weather Underground who was planting bombs at police stations and the Capital building? But Timothy McVeigh is brought up constantly as is the "whacko militia kooks" like Randy Weaver. It was ok for the government in the early 90's to take an aggressive anti-militia stance, and lots of people ended up dead. Why was there never a connection made in the media between Obama's violent speech and the Black Panthers who came out with billy clubs at a polling location? Or the people talking about Sarah Palin's death?

Im not going to say both sides don't use this type of language but the left wing media like MSNBC is being completely dishonest here.

R/Tdrvr

01-13-11, 18:03

Or the people talking about Sarah Palin's death?

Do you mean like this?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/13/palin-targeted-tweets-following-arizona-shooting-massacre/

Yep. The left is the shining example of civility. :rolleyes:

Palmguy

01-13-11, 18:25

As for the violence insighting comments I am sure there are quotes from Republicans which are just as "violent".

PJ

If you look up, you might just see the point soaring over your head.

The point is that the right is being demonized and blamed in totality for the "rancorous political climate" and insinuations are being made that it is the fault of the right that the Tucson shooting happened. That is of course when assignment of blame isn't made outright. These leftists that are portraying themselves as way up there on the high road are full of shit.

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-13-11, 18:31

Sound like gabby is making progress and at least has some control over her extremities. Let's wish her a continued speedy recovery.

Belmont31R

01-13-11, 18:36

Sound like gabby is making progress and at least has some control over her extremities. Let's wish her a continued speedy recovery.

Indeed. I also thought the WTC flag at Christina Green's funeral was an awesome thing to do for her.

montanadave

01-13-11, 18:38

Sound like gabby is making progress and at least has some control over her extremities. Let's wish her a continued speedy recovery.

Finally, something we can agree on! :)

500grains

01-13-11, 19:00

As for the violence insighting comments I am sure there are quotes from Republicans which are just as "violent".

Do you have any examples? (because I am not so sure)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/500grains/secretservice.jpg

Slater

01-14-11, 14:51

Some (possibly) good news for gun owners:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41071206/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-15-11, 00:41

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/us/15giffords.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1295035206-rUIzHKSNKwumbsmhZBlkaA

The night before the rampage, authorities say, Mr. Loughner, 22, dropped off at a drugstore a roll of 35-millimeter film containing images he had shot of himself posing with a Glock semiautomatic pistol while wearing a red G-string. .... ..... In some of the photos Mr. Loughner is holding the gun near his crotch, and in others, presumably taken in a mirror, he is holding the gun next to his buttocks, investigators said.

chadbag

01-15-11, 00:52

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/us/15giffords.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1295035206-rUIzHKSNKwumbsmhZBlkaA

That is just weird. I mean, film? Only old grumpy ro photographers use film any more. (1/2 :p) That should of set of flags itself.

And the g-string etc is weird too.

500grains

01-16-11, 12:33

Some (possibly) good news for gun owners:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41071206/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

I hope the author called it right. That would definitely make me happy.

"Despite Tucson shootings, gun control push falters
'These politicians need to remember that these rights aren’t given to us by them. They are God-given rights,' gun supporter says "

13F3OL7

01-19-11, 17:06

I thought the first part of the article were interesting to say the least. I don't know anything about the judge, and as sad as it is that he died, it's nice to know he was willing to give his life so that someone else might live.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41155912/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001

montanadave

02-09-11, 16:42

Just an update.

An aide for Representative Gabrielle Giffords reported today that Ms. Giffords has begun speaking, reportedly making a request for toast from one of the staff at the hospital where she is recovering in Houston.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/giffords-is-beginning-to-speak/?scp=2&sq=giffords&st=cse

While it is still far too soon to anticipate the extent to which Ms. Giffords will ultimately recover from her injury, this news is promising and bodes well.

LHS

02-09-11, 22:56

Good to hear.

variablebinary

02-10-11, 05:44

Lots of mileage being gained out of this one.

Wait, just wait till she starts talking to the press...

Plenty of Soldiers recovering from far worse than gunshot wounds out there that need some support and attention...

LOKNLOD

02-10-11, 10:27

I wish Rep. Giffords the best in her recovery.

Talking strategy, her reemergence into the public spotlight will be a telling moment in what direction the gun rights fight will take in the near future. Will this create a Suzanna Hupp, or a Sarah Brady? You know the antis are salivating at the thought of parading her around driving a wheelchair with her chin and talking with a Hawking squawkbox. She, the other victims, and America all deserve better than that.

Magic_Salad0892

02-11-11, 08:22

Something tells me that the Dems are going to be let down when Gabby ends up saying ''Stop messing with gun rights, and focus on why this guy was still able to buy a gun with the kind of history he had.''

Or something to that effect.

I'd go with ''Stop messing with guns, and start locking up the crazies.''

montanadave

08-02-11, 08:20

Representative Gabrielle Giffords returned to the House chambers yesterday and cast her first vote since January, when she was shot in the head by Jared Lee Loughner at a "Congress on Your Corner" meeting in her home district in Tucson, AZ.

A lot of folks here may not have approved of how she voted, but I hope we can agree that her ability to cast a vote, period, is quite extraordinary. She has made a remarkable recovery to this point and, hopefully, her progress will continue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giffords-returns-to-congress-to-vote-on-debt-deal/2011/08/01/gIQALojfoI_story.html?hpid=z2

usmcvet

08-02-11, 08:32

She is clearly a tough woman. I am glad to see she is doing better.

FromMyColdDeadHand

08-02-11, 09:47

Glad to see her finally in public. The constant "she is making great progress" with out any public events was starting to sound hollow. Glad to see that she is up and about and communicating with people.

GermanSynergy

08-02-11, 10:06

variablebinary

08-03-11, 01:26

She should have been forced to resign or subjected to a series of diagnostic exams to determine her competency before being allowed to vote.

Jake'sDad

08-03-11, 01:43

Irish

08-03-11, 02:15

Under that standard, half the house would have to resign.....

And what a brighter day that would be!

Honu

08-03-11, 03:59

She should have been forced to resign or subjected to a series of diagnostic exams to determine her competency before being allowed to vote.

Under that standard, half the house would have to resign.....

and maybe the VP ?

Biden reportedly got a “tip” from former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Giffords would be present during the House vote Monday so the Vice President showed up to see Giffords, reportedly telling her, “now we’re both members of the ‘Cracked Head Club.’”

Biden went on to tell reporters, “you know, I had two craniotomies. For real. They literally took the top of my head off. Twice. Now, the wags in Delaware, when the second operation occurred, wrote and said, ‘Well, it’s because they couldn’t find a brain the first time!’”

montanadave

08-03-11, 09:01

She should have been forced to resign or subjected to a series of diagnostic exams to determine her competency before being allowed to vote.

Should she decide to seek reelection, I'm sure she will have to publicly address that issue and be cleared by her physicians.

How about you cut the lady a break and show a little appreciation for her courage and fortitude?

snappy

08-03-11, 09:56

I respect her fortitude for sure. Regardless of her orientation politically, she is showing some salt and I don't see much of that in the house. Maybe some of the flat-assed belly-achers on the hill will get inspired as to the importance of the job they are supposed to be doing. Yeah right.

Suwannee Tim

08-03-11, 10:25

She should have been forced to resign or subjected to a series of diagnostic exams to determine her competency before being allowed to vote.

I think variable's sarcasm is directed at the media and the Left who have been attempting to make the case that Michelle Bachman's migraine headaches disqualify her for higher office.

Suwannee Tim

08-03-11, 10:27

Speaking of the Left, a note to Vice President Biden who I am sure is an avid reader of this forum: Sir, when referring to someone who has been shot in the head you should not joke about being a member of the "Cracked Head Club".

tb-av

08-03-11, 10:45

I had a friend when I was child with a bad brain injury. He lived but was never quite right again. I had another friend as an adult that had what some of the best doctors around said was the worst brain injury they had ever seen. He eventually died which was a blessing to him. My mother had Alzehiemers that went on pretty bad for about 7 years.

So it's not like I don't have compassion for people with brain injuries and mental problems but our elected officials absolutely should have to undergo mental evaluations. Robert Byrd comes to mind.... and yes our VP. his "mental attitude" strikes me as very similar to a person that is not all there.

Now Giffords, I have not heard speak and simply speaking does not tell the whole story....but consider all the heavy medication she has been under for the past year on top of a brain injury.

In this day and time when politicians are basically making up rules as needed and no longer serving the public but rather telling the public the way it's going to be, in my opinion, they absolutely should have to undergo physical and mental evaluations to determine their reasonable state of mind. They will be the first in line to say that the mass murderers of late should have been evaluated and acted upon as a preventative measure, so why not them as well. They hold the fate of our nation and to a degree the fate of the rest of the world.

Once you are around people with brain issues it's fairly easy to spot and I'm no doctor. Those in the profession can take things to a much deeper and insightful level in short order.

By the way, with respect to Mrs Giffords, it is possible that she may have a complete recovery with no ill effects. It has happened before. Pat Martino is one the worlds most brilliant jazz guitarists. He lost his entire knowledge to the guitar and basically his life memories to a brain aneurysm. He fully recovered and is still to this day considered a master guitarist, performer, and instructor. I hope Mrs. Giffords does recover fully as well.

In my opinion every elected official should have to prove their continued mental fitness for the job. Once every two years.

Suwannee Tim

08-03-11, 11:04

When discussing competency or medical tests for public officials we do well to remember the Soviet Union where, dissatisfaction with the "worker's paradise" was considered conclusive evidence of mental illness. Of course our Left would never stoop to such tactics.:jester:

SteyrAUG

08-03-11, 12:55

She should have been forced to resign or subjected to a series of diagnostic exams to determine her competency before being allowed to vote.

But, but....courage....and resilience. These things are much more important than competency and we will PROVE IT by not questioning her competency at all. It is only important that she inspire the people.

tb-av

08-03-11, 13:03

True, it would be a touchy situation as to how the test would be done and by whom.

The politicians have placed them selves on pedestals. We have a right to ask them to prove their worthiness and mental ability.

Corporations all across America use the Myers Briggs tests or similar to assemble teams. Executives are often tested for their mental faculties.

I'm not talking about trying to assure the elected are the most mentally alert among us, but we should have a right to -not- be represented by seriously mentally deficient people. I feel quite certain that were Mrs. Giffords still in the hospital and sedated, her vote would have still been placed.

hatt

08-03-11, 13:09

She's plenty competent to serve in the House. No tests are needed. Just look at some of the folks who've been long term members. Major Owens comes to mind. Anyone breathing has as much or more capability.

Suwannee Tim

08-03-11, 20:57

She is a conservative dem. Used to be a republican is what Im hearing. She is moderately pro-gun, was part of the reading of the Constitution, was pushing for a pay cut for Congress, wanted more money for Border Security and wanted troops in AZ. She did vote for Obamacare though. She voted against Pelosi for the House minority leader spot.

Given the strict party discipline imposed by the House Democrat leadership, some of these stands appear daring, particularly voting against Pelosi. It may not necessarily be the case though. The Dems enjoyed a large majority and did not need every vote. The leadership knew the members districts and would allow members to vote against the party line in order to preserve credibility with the voters at home. The most important thing these so called conservative Dems do is caucus with the Dems giving them control of the body. As the Democrat leadership of both the House and Senate is hard left this makes the so called conservatives complicit with the the hard left they support. I do not regard any Democrat Senator or Representative's claim to be conservative or moderate as credible.