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ICANHITHIMMAN
01-14-11, 17:32
nice kit I looked all over the site can find it. Can you link us?
nice kit I looked all over the site can find it. Can you link us?
Seriously, where?!
Can mags be rigged on the inside of the cummerbund like the LBT 6094's and is there going to be a full cummerbund available for this.
Can mags be rigged on the inside of the cummerbund like the LBT 6094's and is there going to be a full cummerbund available for this.
I love kangaroo pouches. Will it also hold 3 mags too?
ICANHITHIMMAN
01-19-11, 15:10
Seriously, where?!
Does that mean you can find it or im just blind?
Looks great! I can't find it either. Any idea of the price?
Are these available for pre-order?
Will they accept 10X12 stand alone poly plates?
I was all rapid-fire with the questions @ SHOT about this thing. Not on their site, yet.
MSRP = $250.
I was told there'd be a full c-bun. Trying to confirm, stand by.
I specifically asked if it'll accept ESAPI plates w/backers, so I'm guessing that stand-alones should fit just fine.
I think that they're about 2-3 months out.
Didn't ask if the flap holds 3 mags or not, so I wouldn't presume to comment.
I think AIR weighs more than this thing....
ICANHITHIMMAN
01-30-11, 15:07
Oh thank you so much. You cant beat that price either I was a little shocked.
Some day I will attend this mythical SHOT show.
I was told there'd be a full c-bun. Trying to confirm, stand by.
Confirmed.
Out shortly after the PC is available, with options for soft armor/side plates.
Daddy like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYlYfM-E41U
Been awfully quiet. Stephen, these going to finally get released to our grubby paws soon?
Been awfully quiet. Stephen, these going to finally get released to our grubby paws soon?
We had a few material delays (because we're using some new/unique stuff) and we also tweaked the design one last time, but they are in sewing now. Size Large (for large SAPI/ESAPI plates with backers) will be released first with Medium right behind them. I'll check with production in the morning and see if they'll wager a release date for me.;)
Stephen
Thank you, can we just press our credit cards really hard against the screen and you can get the order process started? ;)
Thanks for any updates!
Thank you, can we just press our credit cards really hard against the screen and you can get the order process started? ;)
Thanks for any updates!
Once I get a firm date from production, I'll see if the boss is willing to do a pre-order.
Stephen
New materials ehh? How about some ATACS?
Once I get a firm date from production, I'll see if the boss is willing to do a pre-order.
Stephen
You, sir, are a fantastic human being.
You, sir, are a fantastic human being.
I just like making people happy:D
Ballpark of 3 to 4 weeks, but I'll have a firm answer by Friday. We'll add a pre-order option next week. It is available for dealers to order right now if they'd like to do their own pre-order option on their websites.
Stephen
I assume Coyote Brown will be part of the initial release, same with the 10-speed front flap add-ons?
Thanks again!
ICANHITHIMMAN
05-18-11, 12:03
Im still waiting for news I need XL whats the time frame on them?
Word is these are REAL soon on the larges and other sizes coming soon after, right?
:D
http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Lightweight-Modular-Armor-Carrier%E2%84%A2.html
:D
http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Lightweight-Modular-Armor-Carrier%E2%84%A2.html
I'm on the "pre-order" what does that me for us troops?
I'm on the "pre-order" what does that me for us troops?
We filled all dealer backorders before we put them up on our website. Currently only Large, Multicam is available, but the other size and color options are being finished now.
Thanks,
Stephen
Your folks there sorted me out and one's on the way.
Great CS, that's why I continue to use BFG gear.Cheers
Any time line for the side pouches?
Stephen, any word on Large Coyote Browns showing up soon?
Silly question time:
I had intended on running a medium sized plate in the front and a large plate in the rear (both stand alone plates). Should I go with the large, or will the Medium work since I won't have backers?
These (http://www.skdtac.com/BAE_NIJ_IV_SA_Plate_p/amr.114.htm) are the plates I was going to use...
Stephen, any word on Large Coyote Browns showing up soon?
Large is in stock now as well as at any dealer that preordered them. Mediums are still a couple of weeks away.
Stephen
Silly question time:
I had intended on running a medium sized plate in the front and a large plate in the rear (both stand alone plates). Should I go with the large, or will the Medium work since I won't have backers?
These (http://www.skdtac.com/BAE_NIJ_IV_SA_Plate_p/amr.114.htm) are the plates I was going to use...
Depending on the plates you're using, you might want to wait a couple of weeks for the Mediums to come in from production. If you try the Large and are not happy with the fit we'd be happy to swap it for a Medium when they are ready.
Stephen
I actually got mine on monday, it's awesome.
...I didn't know they made shoulder pads for this, so now I gotta order some of them...damnit.
I actually got mine on monday, it's awesome.
...I didn't know they made shoulder pads for this, so now I gotta order some of them...damnit.
I will be very interested in hearing your take on these.
I wore one for four days at Pat's shoothouse course this past May as "T&E". It was extremly comfortable, breathable, and easy to dawn and doff. Just lift the front flap and release one side and lift over your head. I wore it with 3 m4 mags, 1 flashlight, 1 pistol mag, and a blow out kit on the left side under my arm pit (or right behind it). Only negative I found was there wasn't enough adjustment in the shoulder strap to really sinch it up towards sternal notch. It was a size large and I'm 5'10", if it had another inch of adjustment it would have been perfect. The medium may fit better but you may loose some realestate, there is no free lunch.
There were some guys wearing the SKD PIG, which in my opinion was quite a bit bulkier and one guy had a Crye JPC which was excellent. The JPC is very similiar to the BFG rig and I am still debating on which one I would prefer.
Only negative I found was there wasn't enough adjustment in the shoulder strap to really sinch it up towards sternal notch. It was a size large and I'm 5'10", if it had another inch of adjustment it would have been perfect. The medium may fit better but you may loose some realestate, there is no free lunch.
Thanks for the feedback! Pat actually passed that along to me before we got to full production (his was a Beta) and we increased the adjustment range of the shoulder straps by several inchs towards the "smaller" end.
Cheers,
Stephen
This would seem to be less bulky than the Crye as it doesn't have built-in magazine pouches.
Thanks for the feedback! Pat actually passed that along to me before we got to full production (his was a Beta) and we increased the adjustment range of the shoulder straps by several inchs towards the "smaller" end.
Cheers,
Stephen
No problem! I was glad I got the chance to wear it during the class and be a "beta" tester.
So with the adjustment I should be good to go with a large now?
Rob - If intending to run slick I would imagine it would be just a bit less bulky, but if running with mags it's hard to tell a difference. The BFG gives more options though, with Stephen's new info on it, it will be the one I get.
I'd like to do two mags and a mini-BOK on the front, and until I have more time on a system I will want the modularity before I commit. Just like I did with my chest rigs.
Anyone know of any youstubes on the BFG? More detailed photos?
I also notice Stephen's original picture shows a side buckle that appears to be absent here (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Lightweight-Modular-Armor-Carrier%E2%84%A2.html).
ETA:
video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYlYfM-E41U
Really liking this!
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6687/img0848jp.jpg
In comparing the JPC and the LMAC there's things I like a lot about both.
Rob, personally I think the JPC is extremely low profile even with the kangaroo pouch setup. And I set my PC up similar to how Pat Rogers advocates through his classes, i.e with a kangaroo, and 2 10-speed singles on the left and right, and a TQ in the centerline.
From the video, and please Stephen if you can verify this is down the line, it looks like a cummerbund/integral kangaroo pouch is in the works. This would be great since my Mayflower pouch doesn't have a 3rd line of webbing to attach my 10-speeds or my BFG TQ holder (rubber bands will do the job for the time being).
I think the plate pillow is an exceptionally brilliant touch, as during class in July I cracked myself on the jaw a few times dropping prone. I'm 6'1 and the shoulder straps are something I'm still kind of fiddling with, as when I get the plate to my sternal notch I basically have the straps pulled to the point where only about 1" of velcro are actually interlocked on each strap. I think the shoulder pads will fix that (I hope to get the pads mid-september, I hope) I really wish I'd have ordered them with my PC...ugh.
The JPC was basically like a plate condom, which mean that things were nice and tight on the plate. The BFG is a little looser (using BAE/Ceradyne SAPI-style LVL4 stand alones) but at the same time far more comfortable. So it's a trade off. I also found the JPC to be a tactical girdle. And after running about 500yds full sprint in the JPC I found that the cummerbund was basically restricting how much O2 I could suck in. Whereas the heavy duty elastic on the BFG is instantly much more flexible in moving with the body and even your breathing.
Again my only quibbles about the LMAC so far are:
-Needs the swappable cummerbund/kangaroo pouch
-Needs the shoulder pads
However I am NOT an operator, and my opinion ranks below whale-shit. I'm looking forward to running this PC during Vicker's CQB class in November (US Training Center) But all the guys at BFG did a great job!
In comparing the JPC and the LMAC there's things I like a lot about both.
Rob, personally I think the JPC is extremely low profile even with the kangaroo pouch setup. And I set my PC up similar to how Pat Rogers advocates through his classes, i.e with a kangaroo, and 2 10-speed singles on the left and right, and a TQ in the centerline.
From the video, and please Stephen if you can verify this is down the line, it looks like a cummerbund/integral kangaroo pouch is in the works. This would be great since my Mayflower pouch doesn't have a 3rd line of webbing to attach my 10-speeds or my BFG TQ holder (rubber bands will do the job for the time being).
I think the plate pillow is an exceptionally brilliant touch, as during class in July I cracked myself on the jaw a few times dropping prone. I'm 6'1 and the shoulder straps are something I'm still kind of fiddling with, as when I get the plate to my sternal notch I basically have the straps pulled to the point where only about 1" of velcro are actually interlocked on each strap. I think the shoulder pads will fix that (I hope to get the pads mid-september, I hope) I really wish I'd have ordered them with my PC...ugh.
The JPC was basically like a plate condom, which mean that things were nice and tight on the plate. The BFG is a little looser (using BAE/Ceradyne SAPI-style LVL4 stand alones) but at the same time far more comfortable. So it's a trade off. I also found the JPC to be a tactical girdle. And after running about 500yds full sprint in the JPC I found that the cummerbund was basically restricting how much O2 I could suck in. Whereas the heavy duty elastic on the BFG is instantly much more flexible in moving with the body and even your breathing.
Again my only quibbles about the LMAC so far are:
-Needs the swappable cummerbund/kangaroo pouch
-Needs the shoulder pads
However I am NOT an operator, and my opinion ranks below whale-shit. I'm looking forward to running this PC during Vicker's CQB class in November (US Training Center) But all the guys at BFG did a great job!
I will echo this as well. When I wore a beta version in March there was plenty of room in the plate pocket and it kind of bunched at the top. I was wearing stand alone plates as well. Maybe with soft armor in tightens everything up?
The beta version I ran also had the shoulder pads and they were a nice touch, I'm surprised these weren't ready with the carrier?
The problem for me was that I ordered back in June, and the shoulder pads weren't an option for pre-order, from what I was lead to believe. Otherwise I'd have ordered them, I kind of feel like without them the shoulder straps are the weakest link in an otherwise AWESOME chain.
And again I won't have them till mid-september. :(
That said, I REALLY cinched down hard on the plate pocket velcro by just hanging it upside down and that helps take the slack out, but again these are minor quibbles. I have a feeling it was cut a tad baggier to compensate for soft armor backers or slightly larger plates perhaps. Kinda speaking out of my ass here.
Agreed, very minor quibles on my end as well. Excellent rig backed by an excellent company.
I have a feeling it was cut a tad baggier to compensate for soft armor backers or slightly larger plates perhaps. Kinda speaking out of my ass here.
Not at all Brother. You are exactly right; the carriers are cut to specifically hold an ESAPI plate with soft armor backer (Size ranges are on our website). If your plates are loose because either you have plates thinner than the ESAPI or are using stand alone plates that don't require the backer typically going down one size will work perfectly. We're working full tilt trying to get the Mediums and then the other size options available ASAP.
Stephen
So you'd actually suggest dropping down a size to medium, or leaving it as is?
It's not so loose that it's an issue to be honest.
The beta version I ran also had the shoulder pads and they were a nice touch, I'm surprised these weren't ready with the carrier?
The shoulder pads actually beat the LMAC availability wise, but it is possible he preordered the LMAC before either was actually listed.
Stephen
So you'd actually suggest dropping down a size to medium, or leaving it as is?
It's not so loose that it's an issue to be honest.
Your call. If it bothers you we'll swap it out for a Medium; if not, rock on!
Stephen
Your call. If it bothers you we'll swap it out for a Medium; if not, rock on!
Stephen
I'll try mine on again tonight and check the fit. But survey says...it's pretty damn awesome. I'm having a hard time finding ANY faults with the thing.
Maybe it would be easier to work backwards.
Would you suggest the medium for these plates?
http://www.skdtac.com/Velocity_Systems_Plate_LEVEL_III_IV_ICW_p/amr.108.htm
To be honest I'd say what makes the PC look a tad saggier then it really is is due to the softness of the material being used. I just tried it on again and frankly a LARGE fits a LARGE sapi-style stand alone correctly.
The JPC was such a polarizing example of a PC because it was so damn TIGHT on the plates, that I'll be honest it has skewed how I thought PCs SHOULD fit.
Maybe it would be easier to work backwards.
Would you suggest the medium for these plates?
http://www.skdtac.com/Velocity_Systems_Plate_LEVEL_III_IV_ICW_p/amr.108.htm
Those look to be a triple curve, non-SAPI style plate. To be honest, I'm not sure which size would work best. Give me a shout if you get a minute.
Stephen
To be honest I'd say what makes the PC look a tad saggier then it really is is due to the softness of the material being used. I just tried it on again and frankly a LARGE fits a LARGE sapi-style stand alone correctly.
The JPC was such a polarizing example of a PC because it was so damn TIGHT on the plates, that I'll be honest it has skewed how I thought PCs SHOULD fit.
The JPC is a badass plate carrier, no doubt. If we didn't make one I'd be using it or a Mayflower rig. The main thing I don't like about the super snug fit is that you start to see wear on all the edges where the plate rubs against other surfaces.
Stephen
I'll also add that the JPC, with it's super tight fit over the plates also induces contact with the harder edges between armor and the body.
I noticed even running 400-500yds that it basically left some really sore spots through my shirt. Whereas the nature of the LMAC pads that and keeps the geometry of the armor kind of hidden from the user.
Will these ever come in black?
Will the lmac ever come in black
ICANHITHIMMAN
10-22-11, 08:48
Looks like the med kaki are up still no XL
Any news on the "cummerbund"/side extensions?
Iraq Ninja
11-20-11, 15:59
A loose fitting plate pocket can be a good thing. You can use it for storage of maps or other documents. There is even a med kit designed to fit behind your plates:
http://soldiersystems.net/2011/11/14/low-profile-medical-kit/
eternal24k
12-13-11, 10:26
where can one purchase the LMAC in A-TACS?
I ordered one last night during the last few minutes of SKD's 16% off sale.
Anymore updated reviews/feedback on these? I've only seen the few initial impressions posted in this thread and only one detailed review elsewhere.
d90king's off to a good start.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1152997&postcount=353
Page 18 of the Gear Loadout sticky in Tactical Gear.
The LMA. didn't work for me because it didn't fit the plates I already had, but if it had worked I would be using it now.
http://sites.google.com/site/tacticalyellowvisor/reviews---gear/blue-force-gear-lightweight-modular-armor-carrier
I've run mine through a few classes. Ill work on a review while I'm at the airport tomorrow.
One thing I'm wondering is if you can swap out the side straps for the cummerbund made by mayflower. Any thoughts?
One thing I'm wondering is if you can swap out the side straps for the cummerbund made by mayflower. Any thoughts?
The Mayflower cummerbunds work perfectly with our LMAC. We'll have our own cummerbund set-up in the future, but I highly recommend the Mayflower cummerbunds for those in need of that type of configuration right now.
Stephen
I've been waiting for the "real McCoy" so hopefully something after SHOT? Good info though.
infidelprodigy
01-07-12, 16:47
Any news on the 10-speed side closures?
Guess I can chat you and Edwin up at SHOT.......
The Mayflower cummerbunds work perfectly with our LMAC. We'll have our own cummerbund set-up in the future, but I highly recommend the Mayflower cummerbunds for those in need of that type of configuration right now.
Stephen
Awesome, thank you. This and an eventual cummerbund kangaroo pouch would make the LMAC absolute perfection.
I couldn't be happier with mine.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6639329443_92516a9b6e_b.jpg
The Mayflower cummerbunds work perfectly with our LMAC. We'll have our own cummerbund set-up in the future, but I highly recommend the Mayflower cummerbunds for those in need of that type of configuration right now.
Stephen
Any kind of timeline on the cummerbund?
The Mayflower cummerbunds work perfectly with our LMAC. We'll have our own cummerbund set-up in the future, but I highly recommend the Mayflower cummerbunds for those in need of that type of configuration right now.
Stephen
Stephen,
Any idea if the SKD PIG Plate Carrier elastic cummerbund is compatible with the LMAC?
Stay safe,
Nick
Any chance with SHOT on the horizon we get a seek peek for 2012?
nobody knows
01-16-12, 18:01
I know it a long shot but I'll ask anyway. Any chance of getting these made in small? Me and my wife need some backup carriers, and these look good.
FYI: The SKD P.I.G. Elastic cummerbund works perfectly on my LMAC!
Good news, BFG delivered!!
Here are the "side closures"
http://www.blueforcegear.com/lmac-armor-carrier/
Good news, BFG delivered!!
Here are the "side closures"
http://www.blueforcegear.com/lmac-armor-carrier/
Yes, of course! The day after I get my PIG elastic cummerbund they release them:suicide2:
Oh well, the PIG cummerbund works really well on my LMAC:D
so after seeing this video
http://bcove.me/gtyyg5p3
i have to suspect that there will be a helium whisper evolution to the lmac.
Good news, BFG delivered!!
Here are the "side closures"
http://www.blueforcegear.com/lmac-armor-carrier/
Those look great. :neo:
nobody knows
02-04-12, 19:59
I guess not.:(
I guess not.:(
Sorry I missed this the first time around. Depending on the armor you're using, small plates with backers may work in our medium carrier. If you look at the difference between a Medium and Small SAPI plate the "Small" is only .75" narrower and shorter (Small - 8¾ x 11¾ in vs. Medium - 9½ x 12½ in).
If they don't fit we will gladly take it back. We get very few requests for Small and X-Large, but will add them as stock choices if the demand is there.
Stephen
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