Vltor vs. YHM flash hider comparison?

[gunny]

Can anyone advise if the new Vltor Model 1 FH has any distinct advantage over the YHM Phantom 5C1 for half the price? I'm thinking about buying the Vltor to put on my 10.3 SBR & was curious if it would be better than the Phantom with regard to muzzle rize & flash suppression? Thanks for any intel you can provide.

[C4IGrant]

Can anyone advise if the new Vltor Model 1 FH has any distinct advantage over the YHM Phantom 5C1 for half the price? I'm thinking about buying the Vltor to put on my 10.3 SBR & was curious if it would be better than the Phantom with regard to muzzle rize & flash suppression? Thanks for any intel you can provide.


The 5C1 is a FS. The VLTOR is a MB with some FS capabilities. It is also 100% better made than the YHM 5C1.

At a recent shooting school, we were doing some mag dumps. I was shooting a gun with the VLTOR MB on it. The guy next to me said that my weapon never moved. I would have to agree with him.



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[gunny]

The control over muzzle rize sounds promising. Would you recommend it for my unsuppressed 10.3? They must be good since I cannot find a dealer that has one in stock.

Is there another YHM Phantom that compares to it other than the 5C1? I mentioned that one since I prefere the non-serrated muzzle end. Thanks.

[C4IGrant]

The control over muzzle rize sounds promising. Would you recommend it for my unsuppressed 10.3? They must be good since I cannot find a dealer that has one in stock.

Is there another YHM Phantom that compares to it other than the 5C1? I mentioned that one since I prefere the non-serrated muzzle end. Thanks.


It was on a 10.5.

I have one left in stock. Sold a truck load of the things.

YHM does make a MB, but I don't know how good it is.

I also really like the SF MB556K as well. If you find the VC-1 pricey, don't look at the SF. :D



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[hags]

The 5C1 is a FS. The VLTOR is a MB with some FS capabilities. It is also 100% better made than the YHM 5C1.

At a recent shooting school, we were doing some mag dumps. I was shooting a gun with the VLTOR MB on it. The guy next to me said that my weapon never moved. I would have to agree with him.



C4

Could you please explain how the Vltor is 100% "better made" than the YHM 5C1.
Is it necessary to "time" the Vltor?
Also, do you notice any difference in accuracy between the two?

[C4IGrant]

Could you please explain how the Vltor is 100% "better made" than the YHM 5C1.
Is it necessary to "time" the Vltor?
Also, do you notice any difference in accuracy between the two?

Sure. It uses better materials, is machined nicer and has better fit/finish.

No need to time the VLTOR.

As far as actually improving accuracy, I would say that there is only one FS that does that and that is the Vortex. If you want faster follow up shots and less muzzle flip, the VLTOR is the way to go.



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[Shihan]

I didnt know the Vortex improved accuracy. Thats a hell of a product.

[hags]

I didnt know the Vortex improved accuracy. Thats a hell of a product.

I have two Vortex that I use on seperate rifles, neither one improves accuracy. Although, the Vortex does seem to do the least amount of damage to accuracy as compared to other muzzle devices I have used.
I speculate that this is due to it's symetrical design, as opposed to other muzzle devices that are asymetrical.
I have a Vltor VC-1 on order. It looks promising as well.

[C4IGrant]

I didnt know the Vortex improved accuracy. Thats a hell of a product.


Actually if I remember correctly, it was the Army that tested the Vortex and found that it actually improves accuracy. It also kills the most flash of ANY FS.


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[hags]

Actually if I remember correctly, it was the Army that tested the Vortex and found that it actually improves accuracy. It also kills the most flash of ANY FS.


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Yes, it is more accurate than the asymetric A2 flash hider. Anything placed at the muzzle end of the barrel will degrade accuracy to some extent. I have not seen anything that suggests that the Vortex improves accuracy.

[C4IGrant]

Yes, it is more accurate than the asymetric A2 flash hider. Anything placed at the muzzle end of the barrel will degrade accuracy to some extent. I have not seen anything that suggests that the Vortex improves accuracy.


The Army did not publish the report so that is most likely you have never seen it.


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[jar3ds]

i want someone to make a quality 17-4 steel FS

[KevinB]

The KAC QD and KAC QDBrake (whatever the part number is for the inconel brake/sacrifical baffle) like the Votex also are somewhat helpful for accuracy.
Not only the issue of concetric contruction - but the pressure used to mount the muzzle device - and how the barrel was threaded will play a part.
Keep in mind the A2/A1 flash hiders are pretty loosely made.

[hags]

The KAC QD and KAC QDBrake (whatever the part number is for the inconel brake/sacrifical baffle) like the Votex also are somewhat helpful for accuracy.
Not only the issue of concetric contruction - but the pressure used to mount the muzzle device - and how the barrel was threaded will play a part.
Keep in mind the A2/A1 flash hiders are pretty loosely made.

Concentric, I hope so! Tension is the enemy of accuracy. A2/A1's do not equally vent/distribute gases exiting the barrel and thus negatively influence bullet flight.

[gunny]

It was on a 10.5.

I have one left in stock. Sold a truck load of the things.

YHM does make a MB, but I don't know how good it is.

I also really like the SF MB556K as well. If you find the VC-1 pricey, don't look at the SF. :D



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Check your PM's.

[cebuboy]

This VLTOR Model 1 FH must be very popular, its out of stock. :)

[Sry0fcr]

If the VLTOR has FS capabilities on par with the A2 I'll pick one up.

[C4IGrant]

If the VLTOR has FS capabilities on par with the A2 I'll pick one up.


I would say that it does.



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[Sry0fcr]

Let us know when you get some in stock, aye?

[desertram800]

I switched from the standard A2 birdcage type FS/MB to the VLTOR FS, and I noticed a significant increase in muzzle rise. I haven't shot at night yet, so I can't comment on the FS capabilities, however the increase in muzzle rise was enough that I am now in the market for another product. I was looking at this FSC556:
http://www.primaryweapons.com/default.asp?page_id=86&parent_id=0&CategoryId=113

[GONIF]

I have the A2,YHM,and a Vortex all on 16 inch rifles and have played with them over a year now switching them back and forth between weapons . I can not tell any diff between the Vortex or the YHM in amything but price and looks . the A2 did have more falsh at night. looks like the Vltor has a lot of promise ,and may be worth trying.

[hags]

Let us know when you get some in stock, aye?

Vltor is backordered 4 to 5 weeks on the flash hiders.

[SuicideHz]

Grant- the Vltor may not need to be timed but it should be timed- there's only one logo on it, right? ;)

[hags]

I switched from the standard A2 birdcage type FS/MB to the VLTOR FS, and I noticed a significant increase in muzzle rise. I haven't shot at night yet, so I can't comment on the FS capabilities, however the increase in muzzle rise was enough that I am now in the market for another product. I was looking at this FSC556:
http://www.primaryweapons.com/default.asp?page_id=86&parent_id=0&CategoryId=113

I'm surprised by this as it's supposed to be a muzzle brake first and flash surpressor second.
Now that you mention it I noticed a slight increase in muzzle rise when using the Vortex, or maybe it was my imagination.

[onmilo]

I have YHM Phantoms and standard A2 FHs on my rifles about evenly mixed.
I will eventually switch all of them to the YHM FHs

[C4IGrant]

Grant- the Vltor may not need to be timed but it should be timed- there's only one logo on it, right? ;)


I timed mine so that I had a flat at the 6 position. The logo ended up at the 6 position as well (where no one can see it).


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[Snake]

Hey Grant,

Sent ya a couple PMs.

Cyrus

[AR15barrels]

Grant- the Vltor may not need to be timed but it should be timed- there's only one logo on it, right? ;)

Proper "fit and finish" would require timing.
We all know how important that is... :rolleyes:

[carbinero]

Any thoughts on the Vltor's decibels vs. the A2?

Edit: I just read Grant from another thread saying: "...It is not louder than an A2 and kills flash like an A2.”

[paulosantos]

Just to clear this up? Is the Vltor a muzzle brake? If it was pinned on, would it be legal in the Communist states like NJ since we can't have flash suppressors? Right now, the best option is the FSC556.

[desertram800]

It's a flash hider, that's it. I have it, and it increased recoil compared to the standard A2 birdcage FS/MB.

[hags]

It's a flash hider, that's it. I have it, and it increased recoil compared to the standard A2 birdcage FS/MB.

That's funny, it's marketed as a compensator with flash surpressing ability.
I have a few on back order and will report back with my findings.

[C4IGrant]

Just to clear this up? Is the Vltor a muzzle brake? If it was pinned on, would it be legal in the Communist states like NJ since we can't have flash suppressors? Right now, the best option is the FSC556.


I don't believe it is possible to pin the VLTOR because of how it is designed (shape).


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[lightbulb]

This is getting confusing. Is it or isn't it considered a flash suppressor? I would buy one but some people seem to be calling it a flash suppressor but some places are selling them as a muzzle brake. The FSC556 which is a suppressor and muzzle brake, is considered by some to be legal since it does not suppress enough flash but others say they are not legal. My guess is to only use a plain muzzle brake which does not flash suppress.

[paulosantos]

This is getting confusing. Is it or isn't it considered a flash suppressor? I would buy one but some people seem to be calling it a flash suppressor but some places are selling them as a muzzle brake. The FSC556 which is a suppressor and muzzle brake, is considered by some to be legal since it does not suppress enough flash but others say they are not legal. My guess is to only use a plain muzzle brake which does not flash suppress.


According to Todd from PWS, the FSC556 is a muzzle brake. So as long as it is permanently attached, it should be good to go in the Commy States. I'll be getting one for the 6.8SPC as soon as they come out.

[SuicideHz]

Any thoughts on the Vltor's decibels vs. the A2?

Edit: I just read Grant from another thread saying: "...It is not louder than an A2 and kills flash like an A2.”

Good because your previous question would have meant one had to reduce noise and those come with a $200 "surcharge"

[SuicideHz]

Proper "fit and finish" would require timing.
We all know how important that is... :rolleyes:

Well, it would be kinda stupid to have a pretty nice logo uncentered IMHO.

[bushmasterar15]

I personally like the Smith Vortex FH

[hags]

I personally like the Smith Vortex FH

I'll second that for sure. I've noticed an increase in accuracy over any other flash hider/comp.

[Dport]

So when will these be back in stock?

[rob_s]

So when will these be back in stock?

After reading through the whole thread just now, I find myself wondering the same thing. :D

[Dport]

After reading through the whole thread just now, I find myself wondering the same thing. :D

I've been checking at least twice a week at my two favorite online dealers for the past three weeks waiting for one of these.

Of course, now that I placed an order with one of them, I'm sure they'll be in stock tomorrow.

[rob_s]

Brownells appears to have these back in stock.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=24288&st=100-003-114&s=50764

I have been having some problems with Brownells being backordered on things and not showing them as such on their site lately, so take it with a grain of salt.

I ordered one and will see if it shows up or not.

[RyanS]

Brownells appears to have these back in stock.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=24288&st=100-003-114&s=50764

I have been having some problems with Brownells being backordered on things and not showing them as such on their site lately, so take it with a grain of salt.

I ordered one and will see if it shows up or not.

Rob,

Be sure to give a range report.

[C4IGrant]

I've been checking at least twice a week at my two favorite online dealers for the past three weeks waiting for one of these.

Of course, now that I placed an order with one of them, I'm sure they'll be in stock tomorrow.


The VLTOR's are in stock.


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[carbinero]

So help me out here. The Vltor is a comp with flash hiding capabilities, like the FSC556, only a lot less dough. And Troy has a "medieval" MB/FH which apparently does the same thing for $45. Why is the FSC getting so much hype for the price of the Vltor and Troy put together? Can anyone here compare the Vltor and Troy?

[carbinero]

One concern I had about the Vltor is dust from prone position...I assume the FSC and Troy wouldn't have that problem.

[AR15barrels]

One concern I had about the Vltor is dust from prone position...

All muzzle devices stir up lots of dust in prone.
Some just do it worse than others.
If you don't want to make dust in prone, don't shoot in prone.

[mseiferth]

I switched from the standard A2 birdcage type FS/MB to the VLTOR FS, and I noticed a significant increase in muzzle rise. I haven't shot at night yet, so I can't comment on the FS capabilities, however the increase in muzzle rise was enough that I am now in the market for another product. I was looking at this FSC556:
http://www.primaryweapons.com/default.asp?page_id=86&parent_id=0&CategoryId=113



I have had two of these installed on AR's and will only look to them in the future. The BEST brake out there...The new FSC556 looks good from the videos (I have not personally tested).

[C4IGrant]

So help me out here. The Vltor is a comp with flash hiding capabilities, like the FSC556, only a lot less dough. And Troy has a "medieval" MB/FH which apparently does the same thing for $45. Why is the FSC getting so much hype for the price of the Vltor and Troy put together? Can anyone here compare the Vltor and Troy?


The VLTOR kills flash about as much as an A2 does IMHO. The Troy MB kills NO flash.


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[carbinero]

So "the look" and price of the FSC aside, is there any substantial difference from the Vltor?

[dloken]

I don't believe it is possible to pin the VLTOR because of how it is designed (shape).


C4

I know this is a huge necropost but could you elaborate on this? Is there any method of permanently attaching the Vltor device? Also, will an AAC Omni mount to one?

[C4IGrant]

I know this is a huge necropost but could you elaborate on this? Is there any method of permanently attaching the Vltor device? Also, will an AAC Omni mount to one?

This actually no longer true. VLTOR's can be pinned.


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[dloken]

This actually no longer true. VLTOR's can be pinned.


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Excellent. I picked a VC-1 up several months ago for this purpose. I'd be heartbroken if it turned out I couldn't use it for that. Thanks for your very prompt reply.

[SuicideHz]

Heartbroken is buying a G5 because you saw an Vltor comp at SHOT that had G5 mounting lugs only to find out that Vltor will not be making them. Now I'm left with an expensive barrel weight. :)

[dloken]

Ouch. Any idea if the Vltor is compatible with the AAC Omni? I'm not sure what else is out there for A2 compatible 5.56 suppressors from companies other than Gemtech and AAC.

[RallySoob]

it definately 'looks' better...

luvn my Vltor FH, i recommend it :p