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pinzgauer
12-08-13, 11:48
Funny, since the civvy 91's only came with the wide, everyone I know wanted the slim handguard. In green to boot!

Unless you had the bipod, then it made sense to have the wide.

But then I've never been a fan of fat handguards. I always liked the synthetic FAL hanguards, and think the MOE handguards combine the best feature of the FAL for the AR.

I never had an issue with the slim g3 handguard even with very hot barrel, but I shot irons so long I never curl my thumb & fingers around the forearm like the AR "push the barrel" fad has folks doing.

TiroFijo
12-08-13, 16:06
Standard (slimline) forearms were the norm until the mid 70s, even found on US import HK41s. I "think" they came up with the "tropical" for the 9x series exclusively for the semi autos. Oldest wide forearm setup I've seen is the Nambian FAL style stock set.

Here in Paraguay we received the first lot of G3s for our military around 1975-1976 (some selectors full auto, some 3-shot burst), with green furniture and wide handguards.

yellowfin
01-07-14, 15:30
This may be an elementary question I might have missed in the previous pages, but what kind of accuracy would a PTR be capable of with a 16" or 18" barrel and good quality handloads?

a1fabweld
01-07-14, 18:47
I only handloaded one time for my 18" PTR, & I was able to group approx. 1.25" @ 100yds. I haven't had time to experiment after that, but I'm sure I could get it tighter. I would expect under 1".

yellowfin
01-07-14, 21:45
And as a second question, is it true that one should not suppress roller locked rifles because it would overpressure them? Or would I be good to go with a high volume thus low backpressure can?

a1fabweld
01-07-14, 21:57
Being that I live behind enemy lines I don't have much experience with suppressors but lots of MP5s are suppressed.

SteyrAUG
01-08-14, 00:20
And as a second question, is it true that one should not suppress roller locked rifles because it would overpressure them? Or would I be good to go with a high volume thus low backpressure can?

MP5s seem to do it just fine. Never really tried with my .308s.

skydivr
01-08-14, 09:01
What do you figure a pre-ban HK93 might be worth?

SPQR476
01-08-14, 09:13
And as a second question, is it true that one should not suppress roller locked rifles because it would overpressure them? Or would I be good to go with a high volume thus low backpressure can?

I run my PTR 91F DMR with a Thunderbeast 30BA suppressor. I needed a #17 locking piece to slow down the unlocking, and I use a Bill Springfield longer travel buffer with it. Has the right amount of juice in that it doesn't run the buffer out of travel, but is unkind to brass, maybe just slightly more unkind than .308 roller guns are normally. Runs like a top, and it runs just fine without the suppressor and the #17 LP in. I haven't run thousands of rounds through it like this, but it hasn't objected yet.

It's good for about MOA or a hair better with Hdy 168gr AMAX match, from a bipod, with an 8x optic. As with most of the bigger roller guns, vertical stringing is the battle you have to fight because of the reciprocating mass.

SoDak
01-30-14, 16:33
I hate to bring up the question of "Are the current production PTR91 rifles good?", but after poking around on various forums I'm still not sure what to think. From my reading it seems like most of the problem guns come from 2012 and earlier and the more recent ones seem to be ok, but I'm curious if that's because they are good or if people haven't been shooting them as much lately due to ammo costs. I'd like to pick up a PTR GI model to have a halfway decent example of a roller locked rifle for range fun, but I don't want to drop around a $1000 on something that's junk.

a1fabweld
01-30-14, 22:30
I hate to bring up the question of "Are the current production PTR91 rifles good?", but after poking around on various forums I'm still not sure what to think. From my reading it seems like most of the problem guns come from 2012 and earlier and the more recent ones seem to be ok, but I'm curious if that's because they are good or if people haven't been shooting them as much lately due to ammo costs. I'd like to pick up a PTR GI model to have a halfway decent example of a roller locked rifle for range fun, but I don't want to drop around a $1000 on something that's junk.

Read the "HK" thread. Lots of info. The new ones are GTG.

SoDak
01-30-14, 22:53
I've read through this one and it's been one of the more encouraging sources of info on the newer ones. I've just been down that road before where a company is supposed to be "GTG now" and some new problem crops up, so I'm a bit shy of these still. I suppose I was curious if any of the people who have had good experiences with the new ones were still happy with them as well as if anyone else has seen any issues with the new ones.

Hootiewho
12-31-15, 06:10
I have found what appears to be NIB HK SR9T local to me. It has the PSG1 lower, MSG90 stock, steel claw 30mm scope mount still in the HK wrapper. It is stamped SR9T and the markings are very clean; meaning I do not suspect it to be an SR9 that someone added a T to. It is a private sell from an HK collector.

I have been reading on HKPro about these rifles, and was curious what you guys might have to say about it.

What would you consider a fair price for it?

Does anyone here have any experience with the the 9T or 9TC, and how did they shoot. I think it has the 1:11 twist polygonal rifled barrel. I will be going back tomorrow to look it over a bit more.

I know it would piss off the true collector, but I was thinking that it would make an awesome MSG3K build with maybe an Elcan or low powered varible; especially if I could snag a Spuhr front end.

Any info would be appreciated.

Hootiewho
01-11-16, 18:09
Well here she is.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/8FC07B8F-8253-4F1E-BE8C-B8404E7A8324_zpshy0ldk7a.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/F16CC056-DE3A-4BBF-A1C2-E8B403EBAD88_zpstjtu4fu8.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/53FD614A-BFE1-46C6-92AC-F805376DA281_zps4ntg2jou.jpg

175 gr FGMM at 100 yards on the first trip out.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/1C97B052-120A-498D-970E-629A71631C8E_zpswcjxbumq.jpg

Best I can tell it has not been fired since it left HK. It still had the thick assembly grease on everything and no wear marks or carbon anywhere.

Couple of shots down the bore of the poly barrel with a light on the other end...

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/AB68EE2D-8E3B-4459-BFA3-54E37784D860_zpsyrvwinn1.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/A2BC5388-D2D5-4173-B699-A76EE5DF24D8_zps70gao2cd.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/B0798E3B-4154-43AB-A34F-AE355BE10DD4_zpsbp0ge8ld.jpg

hotrodder636
01-14-16, 19:46
Looks very nice! Take good care of her when you take her out shooting!



Well here she is.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/8FC07B8F-8253-4F1E-BE8C-B8404E7A8324_zpshy0ldk7a.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/F16CC056-DE3A-4BBF-A1C2-E8B403EBAD88_zpstjtu4fu8.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/53FD614A-BFE1-46C6-92AC-F805376DA281_zps4ntg2jou.jpg

175 gr FGMM at 100 yards on the first trip out.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/1C97B052-120A-498D-970E-629A71631C8E_zpswcjxbumq.jpg

Best I can tell it has not been fired since it left HK. It still had the thick assembly grease on everything and no wear marks or carbon anywhere.

Couple of shots down the bore of the poly barrel with a light on the other end...

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/AB68EE2D-8E3B-4459-BFA3-54E37784D860_zpsyrvwinn1.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/A2BC5388-D2D5-4173-B699-A76EE5DF24D8_zps70gao2cd.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/B0798E3B-4154-43AB-A34F-AE355BE10DD4_zpsbp0ge8ld.jpg

5 Commando
07-09-16, 05:46
PTR "GI" rifles supposedly have the correct number of flutes and the right contour now. They still lack the grenade ring on the triple frame and the paddle release, which only the early HK and CETME imports had.

My earlier production JLD/PTR fed everything well and I've read that the early CETME's didn't even have flutes, but were put in some time during the model C run. PTR's other US parts (the fire control group and navy housing) are universally well regarded in quality. The receiver is made on FMP semi-auto tooling and is the only in-spec G3 receiver on the market.

The BATFE changed their mind and banned all MKE carbines from import (no 9mm, 5.56 or 7.62), the pistols will continue to be imported. MKE pistols and carbines started life as military spec weapons (possibly used in some cases) and were modified before import.

Century rifles usually have two problems (or a combination of two problems), US barrels and improperly set barrels. They try to fix the latter in the build process by doing everything except the only thing that will actually correct the problem they created (IE putting the barrel in correctly). They ship a lot of rifles with next to no bolt gap, bad barrels, the wrong size rollers, crap receivers, or improperly ground bolts. Fixable? Errr, sort of. Sometimes a competent gunsmith can fix them, and sometimes the smith will tell you they're going to beat the pavement with your wondermonkey rifle. The HK33's century rebuilt seem to have been on average much more serviceable than all the good G3 and CETME kits they butchered.

Oh yeah, one last thing with the century guns, the sights are regularly crooked, reaaally crooked, unadjustably crooked. In short, I've never known anybody who ever got a working century CETME, but I don't know too many people stupid enough to buy one either.

I love the G3, it makes the AK look overly compex. Godless teutonic killing machine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/notgonnadothismuchlonger/more/more/30606539.jpg

This is a shot of my father. I will have to ask him where it was taken. I was given that beret and belt by him, and can remember growing up with that canvas pistol holster. Memories, Mike Hoare (Jr.)

RAM Engineer
08-24-16, 16:24
Bumping this back up.
New PTR GI guns have the steel lowers WITH a paddle catch added. HOWEVER, they have now changed the muzzle threading from 15x1 to 5/8x24. Two steps forward, one step back.
What say you HK experts? Drop the money on one of these (and plenty of mags and ammo) or spend 3-4x that on a NIB HK91 with no paddle?

RetroRevolver77
08-24-16, 16:27
Bumping this back up.
New PTR GI guns have the steel lowers WITH a paddle catch added. HOWEVER, they have now changed the muzzle threading from 15x1 to 5/8x24. Two steps forward, one step back.
What say you HK experts? Drop the money on one of these (and plenty of mags and ammo) or spend 3-4x that on a NIB HK91 with no paddle?


I wouldn't own a PTR simply because the barrels aren't hammer forged. Plus if you're going to go with an old battle rifle design, get a real one.

If you don't want to spend HK prices I'd look for either an FMP import or a Greek Ebo SAR. Those are both direct license HK production weapons and are equal in quality to HK. If decide on this route then people can chime in to guide you but if you get a SAR 8 make sure it's an overstamp gun with a threaded barrel.

Auto426
08-24-16, 20:54
Bumping this back up.
New PTR GI guns have the steel lowers WITH a paddle catch added. HOWEVER, they have now changed the muzzle threading from 15x1 to 5/8x24. Two steps forward, one step back.
What say you HK experts? Drop the money on one of these (and plenty of mags and ammo) or spend 3-4x that on a NIB HK91 with no paddle?

I make no claims of being an expert, but I think the answer here largely depends on what you are looking for in the rifle. I'm sure there are many people who think the change in the muzzle threads is a positive one, since it means the gun is now compatible with many more aftermarket muzzle devices.

If your looking for a collector piece, then you should probably pay up for a real HK marked gun. If you want a shooter, then the PTR's will give you all the feel of the originals with a few modern concessions to make your shooting life easier. The models that Atlantic carries with the welded top rails make optics mounting a breeze compared to the older style claw mounts.

SteyrAUG
08-24-16, 21:37
Bumping this back up.
New PTR GI guns have the steel lowers WITH a paddle catch added. HOWEVER, they have now changed the muzzle threading from 15x1 to 5/8x24. Two steps forward, one step back.
What say you HK experts? Drop the money on one of these (and plenty of mags and ammo) or spend 3-4x that on a NIB HK91 with no paddle?

I'd have to know more about the actual barrel. I think they were using TC barrels originally. Is that still the case?

prdubi
08-24-16, 23:19
I think the 5/8×24 is a positive development.

I'd rather have that than the original.

So much options.

I have been living with thread adapters on my setup.

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RAM Engineer
08-24-16, 23:32
I'd have to know more about the actual barrel. I think they were using TC barrels originally. Is that still the case?

Opinions on those RCM hammer forged barrels anyone?