View Full Version : I hate to give LaRue credit, but....
I love the LaRue Rail covers/Index Clips. I've seen them on the boards every so often and finally ordered a set. They are nice, and really mellowed out my DD Cheese grater!
(crappy pic)
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/CIMG3703.jpg
Moose-Knuckle
04-13-11, 19:26
I've wondered about them, how do they fair against heat? Shot much with them yet?
I've wondered about them, how do they fair against heat? Shot much with them yet?
Just put them on last night.. so no shooting yet... but I've ran with nothing and the ladder covers and the heat wasn't an issue with either of those scenarios, so I don't see it being a problem.
I also had the XTMs on there, but those things were sharp and a pain.
only reason i've never invested is that they look like they'd be prone to falling off easy- they on there pretty good?
i've grown a huge pile of XTM covers... generally gets me about 90% happy. but for all their improvement in versatility, you still can't usually put them exactly where you want them, if you want your light and VFG exactly where you want them.
Gutshot John
04-13-11, 19:36
They're actually pretty solid once on (they take some muscle to apply). I haven't put them through a hard class yet but I don't see how they will come off easily.
I'd say they're on there significantly tighter than either ladders, or the XTM panels.
eternal24k
04-13-11, 19:39
I also like them, but I do wish they had some more texture (ala MIAD), but I guess that is what Stippling is for ;)
For the money they really provide a lot of options, the pieces for tucking wires is a nice touch
outrider627
04-13-11, 20:01
1. If you have used the Magpul XTMs, how do the Index Clips compare to the XTMs? (shape, grip texture, and heat protection)
2. Did you feel a weight difference after adding the clips? I have an uninstalled 12in rail and I completely covered the sides and bottoms with XTMs to try them. I could definitely feel the weight of 21 XTM pairs. Thinking of going with XTMs in the area I'd most likely grab the rail and ladder covers or clips everywhere else.
EDIT: I see you didn't like the XTMs and havent shot with the clips yet.
Are they a hard plastic like the KAC covers or more like ladder covers?
I see people saying they're tight, that's great but is there any play in them when on a rail? That's my main complaint with XTMs, that regardless of whether it's the out-of-spec rail's fault, they can have a bit of play in them when mounted.
I use them to a secure scout light tape cord on my scar and they have bee very solid. Admittedly, they are on a top rail where my hand doesn't reach so I don't know how they'll hold to any other use.
All good questions... that I was wondering too...
They are hard like a KAC panel, slimmer and narrower however. The pop on pretty easily with your fingers, but don't come off too easily. You use the dill hole bottle openner to get them off.
The wire loom pieces can be pulled off with your fingers.
There is NO PLAY with them on the rail. They are much smoother than the XTMs which have sharp corners. You could stipple them up for more grip, but I'm cool with them just as they are.
Gutshot John
04-13-11, 21:18
There is no play that I can detect.
I have been using LaRue Index Clips for a while now. I love them. They are certainly more flexible as far as placement possibilities over just about any other panel. They are hard plastic. Fast and easy to install and take some work to get off with your fingers. Better to use something to pry them off. That translates into "they stay on unless you want them off."
These are lighter than the XTM for sure. They are not as big or "full" like the KAC panels and the like. So they are more slim. They offer just as much "grip" as KAC or XTM panels. Yes you could stipple them.
The benefit to the Index Clips is that you can use them to run your switch cables and it will lock you cable(s) in place.
I really love them and I think they have more to offer then just about any other rail covers out there.
They come in different colors as well. I run the FDE, but they come in usual Magpul colors.
I use them as well and have never had any of them fall off during carbine classes. Not that they are high intensity or anything, but its a better measuring stick than a bench & bag I 'spose. I like how they round off, almost like a half moon, it makes my rail feel, uh.. rounder.
I have them as well. Height is almost same as XTM, maybe just tad slimmer. And made with same hard polymer plastics as other rail covers. (KAC, XTM, Tangdown, Troy, ....)
They will not fall off you on, it locks very secure to the rail. You can't remove it by hand, you must use Larue tool to remove it. (That animal thing) lol
I see people saying they're tight, that's great but is there any play in them when on a rail? That's my main complaint with XTMs, that regardless of whether it's the out-of-spec rail's fault, they can have a bit of play in them when mounted.
i've never had anything more than the ittiest bittiest amount of movement with XTMs on any of the 6-8+ rails i've put them on.. nothing noticeable unless you're deliberately trying to move them.
Thanks for the info guys. I looked at them before on LaRue’s website but I guess I missed the part about being able to secure tape switch cables. For $30 I’ll have to give them a try.
polymorpheous
04-13-11, 23:30
Thanks for the write up markm!
And you other guys who run these with the feedback.
:thank_you2:
I've been eyeballing these.
I like how slim they are.
I'm glad to hear they don't come off easily, as that is what's been holding me back.
I love the LaRue Rail covers/Index Clips. I've seen them on the boards every so often and finally ordered a set. They are nice, and really mellowed out my DD Cheese grater!
(crappy pic)
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/CIMG3703.jpg
Look at you with the rails! Is that also a folding FSB I see?:D
Look at you with the rails! Is that also a folding FSB I see?:D
Lol, I don't think he's that far gone. It looks like a Daniel Defense.
Look at you with the rails! Is that also a folding FSB I see?:D
Yeah. 13MPG has it right. It's the DD fixed rail mounted Front site.
What's up, MAN?
Those don't look too bad at all.
What I like about them is that they're slimmer and shorter than the KAC panels, but keep a similar look and feel that I'm used to.
As far as "feel" on the weapon, how do they compare to ladders? I liked the ladders for the simple fact they were unobtrusive to a certain level and these kind of fit the bill.
When I grab the rail it feels damned near like a standard Handguard... or something between a standard hand guard and a rail with KAC panels.
You can move your hand up and down the hand guard to adjust the elevation on your shot very smoothly.
The integration with their hand stops is nice, but the fact that these add a bit of roundness to the countour is why they're starting to replace my Ergo ladders and MagPul XT's. They really are brilliant.
Eurodriver
04-15-11, 02:30
Why would one hate to give Larue credit?
Seems like they're one of the few companies I wouldn't mind giving it to... :confused:
Why would one hate to give Larue credit?
Seems like they're one of the few companies I wouldn't mind giving it to... :confused:
mark larue has displayed some douchebaggish behavior over the years... this is probably what markm has against him.
but larue does produce nice equipment... i'm a big fan of their handguards. for a straight handguard, i'd take a larue over a DD, even.
Eurodriver
04-15-11, 04:06
mark larue has displayed some douchebaggish behavior over the years... this is probably what markm has against him.
but larue does produce nice equipment... i'm a big fan of their handguards. for a straight handguard, i'd take a larue over a DD, even.
His products and customer service won't keep me away from his business regardless of his "douchebaggish behavior". He's donated $24,000 to calguns (So what if its a tax-write off) and hundreds of people got free, quality Larue mounts because he wanted to act like a douchebag with ARMS....;)
I've been using the Larue clips since early on in their introduction. I have swapped all my Tango Down, Magpul XTM, KAC and ladder rail covers in favor of the clips. Like others have said, the are very sturdy and aren't likely to come off without serious effort. I use a plastic armorers tool to pry them off. I've yet to have one come off on its own. I like the feel because they are very low profile, and I have smaller hands. They don't add much bulk or weight to the rail. If you like ladder covers but want something that will better protect the rail and your hand from heat, the Larue clips are a good choice. I also run these on Larue rails if anyone cares.
Another neat thing I do mix several colors on the rail to make a "camo" pattern on my digital camo rifle. Just a thought.
fiddly_foo
04-15-11, 07:33
Reading all these posts not one bad or negative thing about these hand guard's everyone has something good to say. I think I may try these out, I have never seen any pic's of them stipple'd so maybe I'll try that just to see... a sunday afternoon project..
maxwell600
04-15-11, 08:52
I love mine.
I have only one railed carbine (with an Omega), and all the rail covers I tried made it too fat for my tastes. I don't care for ladders because IMO they don't provide sufficient heat isolation. Index Clips turned out to be perfect for me - they don't bloat out the tube diameter as much as other covers and they provide much better isolation than ladders.
I like 'em.
outrider627
04-15-11, 09:34
Well, this thread made me order some index clips. M4C is the leading cause for high credit card balances. :D
.....M4C is the leading cause for high credit card balances. :D
Isn't that the truth. I have to cut my card up before I get out of control.
greywolf2112
04-15-11, 10:29
I used to think that the XTM panels were the shiz, but noted their limitations and tried out the Index clips - now I have switched over to the clips on all my ARs - they feel good, are smaller and lighter, and more useful and don't leave gaps like the XTMs
Thanks markm.:mad: Looks like I'll be spending more $$$ with LaRue. I have several sets of DD rails that will soon be trying these out.
I use them on all my builds...wouldn't have it any other way! Takes a lot of effort to get on or off...looks great, very sturdy and well made. If you have one of their "Armadillo Tools" they are made to remove them with ease... ;)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5303/5596777544_f39033e7d4_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5295623709_624757eb1c_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5383121891_f3ece43422_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5569433793_f587daa5b5_b.jpg
His products and customer service won't keep me away from his business regardless of his "douchebaggish behavior". He's donated $24,000 to calguns (So what if its a tax-write off) and hundreds of people got free, quality Larue mounts because he wanted to act like a douchebag with ARMS....;)
i dont know anything about his tax-deductible philanthropy, but i did get to see his behavior over his BCGs, 6160 aluminum, the ARMS fiasco, and more... his one of these guys who should just keep his mouth shut. he could be a great guy, and as i said i love his gear, but when he opens his mouth his foot generally flies straight in.
thopkins22
04-15-11, 18:55
I also had the XTMs on there, but those things were sharp and a pain.
Not really related to the thread, but the newly produced(as of a year or two ago,) have rounded corners and are not sharp at all unlike the earliest ones.
Eurodriver
04-15-11, 20:52
i dont know anything about his tax-deductible philanthropy, but i did get to see his behavior over his BCGs, 6160 aluminum, the ARMS fiasco, and more... his one of these guys who should just keep his mouth shut. he could be a great guy, and as i said i love his gear, but when he opens his mouth his foot generally flies straight in.
No arguement there, but maybe I can relate because I say alot of dumb things too. :o
i dont know anything about his tax-deductible philanthropy, but i did get to see his behavior over his BCGs, 6160 aluminum, the ARMS fiasco, and more... his one of these guys who should just keep his mouth shut. he could be a great guy, and as i said i love his gear, but when he opens his mouth his foot generally flies straight in.
+ 1, his company's internet image would be a little better if he toned things down a bit. Because I would think that would make his fan boys also tone things down.
fuck.. if there's any way to get people to tone down the fanboyism in general, ill be all for it.
the homo-eroticism in the tactical shooting community is spiking really bad right now, to the point that i almost dont even want to associate myself anymore.
Why would one hate to give Larue credit?
Cuz he's the biggest bag of Douche on the net.
Not really related to the thread, but the newly produced(as of a year or two ago,) have rounded corners and are not sharp at all unlike the earliest ones.
I was going to post this too... I messed with Pappabear's XTMs and they have NICE rounded corners. I must have Gen 1s! :p
Eurodriver
04-16-11, 00:07
fuck.. if there's any way to get people to tone down the fanboyism in general, ill be all for it.
the homo-eroticism in the tactical shooting community is spiking really bad right now, to the point that i almost dont even want to associate myself anymore.
You must have not gotten into Chris Costa's underwear line.
mark larue has displayed some douchebaggish behavior over the years...
Yep. I sold all of my Larue gear because of it, and has been replaced by KAC gear that I am very happy with. He has been told MANY times on several boards that he should get of the net and let his products speak for themselves. His ego won't let him do that though.
the homo-eroticism in the tactical shooting community is spiking really bad right now, to the point that i almost dont even want to associate myself anymore.
That's been going on several years now. The amount of grown men that try and live vicariously through some former Tier 1 type that they pay to "train" with is damn strange, imo.
I have read posts on other forums from people that have taken classes with a former Tier 1 instructors but will not anymore because of the fanboys. They said that the instruction was great, but the fanboys huddled around and fawning over the instructor was too much, and detracted from the class. Creepy!
S-1, I'm with you on the second part. The fanboy thing is pretty dumb.
That said, I have yet to encounter an optics mount I prefer to LaRue, and though he is in fact a douche, that douche makes good kit and he can have my money. If someone makes another piece of kit that's better, I will switch.
I think the only company I completely refuse to deal with is ARMS. They could make the best mounts in the world and offer to sell them at their cost and I'd stay away.
If someone makes another piece of kit that's better, I will switch.
familiar with bobro?
:laugh:
Played with one, it did not seem immediately superior in any way. Looked pretty complicated actually.
fuck.. if there's any way to get people to tone down the fanboyism in general, ill be all for it.
the homo-eroticism in the tactical shooting community is spiking really bad right now, to the point that i almost dont even want to associate myself anymore.
Yeah it gets very annoying. I just sort quietly disengage as soon as possible when dealing with them, hoping that they don't see my mutt of a rifle.
I was going to post this too... I messed with Pappabear's XTMs and they have NICE rounded corners. I must have Gen 1s! :p
They are nice, but I also like the almost continuous edge that the Gen 1 produced, almost like one long rail panel.
That said, I have yet to encounter an optics mount I prefer to LaRue, and though he is in fact a douche, that douche makes good kit and he can have my money. If someone makes another piece of kit that's better, I will switch.
ADM? I've been running their mounts for a while now (LaRue rarely produced my preferred height). They've even produced a one piece Micro mount so you don't have to buy the base, and the riser.
But unfortunately there are certain unique products that no one else makes as well, like the Flip to the Side mounts, and the Index clips.
familiar with bobro?
:laugh:
Unfortunately, yes. :p
Unfortunately, yes. :p
Care to expand on this.
I've got an Aimpoint M4s coming and was considering the Bobro absolute cowitness mount.
Scoby
Rob
Really would like to hear what you have to say on this.
Scoby
Rob
Really would like to hear what you have to say on this.
Scoby
I think it's too big, overly complicated, and wildly popular here (largely because of the rarity factor making it a cool-kids club) and therefore largely not worth the debate.
An engineer designed it, and it shows IMO. :sarcastic:
I think it's too big, overly complicated, and wildly popular here (largely because of the rarity factor making it a cool-kids club) and therefore largely not worth the debate.
An engineer designed it, and it shows IMO. :sarcastic:
What makes this thing so complicated? Is it not just a lever and maybe a lever tension nut? Lever locking device? Bobro doesn't seem to have this mount listed on their site.
If I remember correctly you're in the construction field. Me too and I completly relate to the engineer comment.:D
Scoby
davidjinks
04-22-11, 11:52
I'm getting ready to buy a couple mounts for my rifles.
LaRue has been on the top of my list. Many of the searches I have done yield me a whole myriad of options.
My only main concern is that it's. Solid product.
So would LaRue be a good choice to go with?
Scope mount: nightforce recce scope
RDS mount: sinkhole comp m2
So would LaRue be a good choice to go with?
This is kind of an Index clip thread.... but, yeah... if you can get the LaRue Mounts adjusted right, they appear to have a loyal following.
So would LaRue be a good choice to go with?
If you like dry rubs...then absolutely.:p
To bring this back to the index clips: I'm running them on my 16" and I've been experimenting with QD optics - using the clips, as they were designed, as an index point for attaching / reattaching the mounts, particularly in low/no light scenarios (targets are lit/backlit). The clips give a very positive reference point without taking up a fixed length of rail. Although it's really only useful if the various optics end up at the same index point. Luckily my ACOG uses the rear BUIS as it's index point so I end up only needing one.
I really like these things.
Well someone else bumped it.
But I was going to post. On my other rifle that has Index Clips, the tape switch just didn't lay right to use the keepers, but on this one it did, and the keepers seem to do a pretty good job of securing the tape switch wire.
http://www.lazyeights.net/Avion/MiscGunPics/SBR/Index_Clips_Tape_Switch.jpg
Unless something better comes along, I think Index Clips will become my preferred rail covers.
ETA: I forgot about the stupid laws, now I am not sure if they apply to forum posts. But this post is not entirely without bias, as I was given a free set of black Index Clips at a EAG Tactical class. But the FDE ones pictured above I purchased with my own money. F-ing Congress and their laws.
If you alternate the wire keeps they'll do a great job of dual pressure pads for PEQs/DBALs:
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9409/imagehrb.jpg
Sorry Mark. I was the one to bump it, but I didn't drift it in the direction of mounts. Found this doing a search for Bobro.
I'll look elsewhere.
Scoby
davidjinks
04-22-11, 19:58
This is kind of an Index clip thread.... but, yeah... if you can get the LaRue Mounts adjusted right, they appear to have a loyal following.
No worries, didn't mean to side track it like this.
Some of the comments got me thinking...
No problem at all... I don't mind a little side tracking.... but mounts are extensively covered in other threads.
Skintop911
04-23-11, 16:57
Give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, where it also is due. Both, regardless of where it's going.
There are certainly trends, but do the right thing.
If you like dry rubs...then absolutely.:p
Holy Crap. I made the best baby backs ever yesterday with the damned Dillo Rub. :eek:
Holy Crap. I made the best baby backs ever yesterday with the damned Dillo Rub. :eek:
I tried the dillo dust out for the first time this weekend on some ribeyes.
It was different than what we were used to but I thought it was pretty damn good. The wife was.....meh okay.
I got my order of index clips in today. They go on easy enough and as others have said they do require some effort to remove them. I can see the index clips replacing all of my ladder covers.
Holy Crap. I made the best baby backs ever yesterday with the damned Dillo Rub. :eek:
Welcome to the dark side.
We have cookies :D
Just put them on my KAC SR-15 last week. They will be replacing all of my other rail covers.
For me, the only future reason to use anything other than the index clips (use MagPul XT's) is to bridge over the non-cut parts of the rail, on handguards like the SR15's URX-2, the Troy MRF, or Noveske SWS
SWATcop556
04-25-11, 21:52
May have to give these a shot. I've become disenfrancised with the XTMs and have been looking for a lower profile solution but I'm not a fan of the ladders either.
May have to give these a shot. I've become disenfrancised with the XTMs and have been looking for a lower profile solution but I'm not a fan of the ladders either.
You will love these.
I bought some yesterday after reading this thread. And while I was at it, a CTR buttstock pad...........Larue should send you an extra bottle of rub Markm.
I bought some yesterday after reading this thread. And while I was at it, a CTR buttstock pad...........Larue should send you an extra bottle of rub Markm.
I'll get one on my next order of Rail Clips.
Eurodriver
04-26-11, 13:35
Are these really that good?
Are these really that good?
The Dillo dust or index clips?:D
Are these really that good?
The best way to find out is to order a set and try them out. They fill a niche that nothing else (to my knowledge) does in quite the same way. Even if you employ other rail covers, these can be used to "fill the gaps" or index removable items (if you're into that for some reason). They are sturdy and the wire management is a huge bonus for many.
As far as the dillo dust goes...I'm lucky my wife loves the stuff. When we run low, I place an order. When it arrives I open the box: "look dear, our dillo dust arrived...and those great larue folks threw in *another* scope mount! kewl!" :cool: (of course I hide the receipt first).
Mine arrived. Very easy to install and pretty hard to take off. That is a good thing.
I have a DDM4. I found them a little too slippery to be placed in between the mag well and the vertical fore grip so I put the stock XTM's back on. I did LOVE them as indexers. I have them on the front rail sections of the Omega X12. It helps me keep my fingers in a consistent spot to access the light (a streamlight in the 9 o' clock position, I shoot lefty). They also widen the rails in the right place and aren't as slippery in small groups.
I guess I could cut grooves in the rest and try them again in the hand guard position but the XTM's are fine for me there. Overall, a good purchase and I recommend them for versatility, ease of installation and value. The plastic could be tackier but it is what it is.
Yeah. It's comparable to a KAC panel with less bulk. You could stipple them if you like the grippier feel.
I have used them for a while. Something I have found.
They loosen up over time. The first couple times on and off are a real pain. After a being taken off a number of times they will actually rattle around on the rail. (DD, and Vltor) I found pinching them gets them a little tighter again.
I also stippled some of them:
http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/img_0404.jpg
My favorite rail cover/guard by FAR!Nice color's available too.I'm no leg humping fanboy,just one picky son of a bitch!I've purchased many items and sold them off as soon as i got them.The guy does make some quality products from what i've seen.
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv265/THEPATRIOT-X/001-3.jpg
Wife likes Dillo Dust enough to the point that when we run out I have permission to buy something else from LaRue tactical so we can get some more. :D
I have used them for a while. Something I have found.
They loosen up over time. The first couple times on and off are a real pain. After a being taken off a number of times they will actually rattle around on the rail. (DD, and Vltor) I found pinching them gets them a little tighter again.
I also stippled some of them:
http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/img_0404.jpg
Yea but how often do you really take them off short of figuring out how you want your rifle setup?
I've had some on one of my rifles since they came out. Still nice and tight but I have yet to remove them.
Edit:
I should add that I replaced my magpul covers with these. Prefer them over the magpul ones. Also like them more then the kac rail covers which I have a pile of somewhere.
I must admit I always thought the hand stops were a silly concept, but I sprung for them since I was getting the index clips anyway and I really, really like them so far (haven't shot with them yet, just working different non-live-fire drills to get a feel for them).
Those of you who have trouble getting the index clips off- have you tried using the tail of the larue dillo-looking tool? I can clear off a full side of my midlength rail using that in less than a minute with no effort at all.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l13/aaron_c_2006/photo-16.jpg
superstratjunky
08-09-11, 17:30
I wish they were sold in mixed colors. I was going to buy the XTM's in multiple colors, but I liked the profile of my DDL so much I ditched the idea. These look like a better solution. I wish LaRue had pics of the different colors. I'm sure they're close to MagPul's. Mite have to feed the ego & pick these up.
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