Leupold 1x14 Prismatic?

[rob_s]

Anyone see one of these (http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/prismatic-riflescope/1x14mm-prismatic/) yet? If it's as advertised, it looks like it may combine the best points of the Aimpoint, EoTech, and Tripower. Obviously I'm skeptical.:cool:

The Leupold® Prismatic™ optic gives you the fast target acquisition and accuracy of a non-magnifying red dot sight. But unlike red dot sights, the Prismatic features a glass-etched reticle that’s visible with or without its removable Illumination Module, or even batteries. Whether you're a tactical user clearing a building, or a turkey hunter looking for a non-magnifying optic, the Prismatic is ideal in any situation where the action is fast and close.


http://www.leupold.com/_images/scope-diagram.gif
Length (A) 4.5 in
Tube Length (B) 2.6 in
(C) 0.6 in
(D) 0.8 in
Eyepiece Length (E) 1.9 in
Objective Length (F) NA
Objective Diameter (G) NA
Eyepiece Diameter (H) NA
Tube Diameter (I) 30 mm
Actual Magnification — (1.0)
FOV @ 100 yds (ft) — (83.0)
FOV @ 100 m (m) — (27.6)
Eye Relief (in) 3.0 (5.0)
Eye Relief (mm) 76 (127)
Obj. Clear Aperture 0.6 in / 14 mm
Weight 12.0 oz / 340 g
Elevation Adj. Range (MOA) 70
Windage Adj. Range (MOA) 70

* The removable Illumination Module screws into the Leuopld® 1x14mm Prismatic™ to illuminate the reticle in red.
* Remove the Illumination Module, and the glass-etched reticle is still visible, so you’re never battery dependent.
* The Leupold Circle Dot reticle is glass-etched, making it visible at all times – even without batteries – unlike conventiontional red dot sights. It’s also extremely sharp and clear, unlike the fuzzy dot of red dot sights.
* With a more generous field of view than competitive red dot sights, you’re on target faster.
* The true 1x optical system allows you to shoot with both eyes open for the superior depth perception and wide field of view that’s crucial for fast target acquisition and reactive shooting.
* Slotted, ½-MOA click windage and elevation adjustments are easy to change with the adjustment cover, or even a fingernail.
* The integrated base system includes different height mounting spacers to work on any type of firearms platform.
* The Prismatic is also compatible with the A.R.M.S. #22-34mm Throw Lever Rings Base and Spacer System, and conventional 30mm rings.
* Can be mounted using a ratchet over the outside or inside the mounting screw’s handle.
* This system decenters the objective lens, rather than tilting the erector system, so it’s more repeatable and more durable.
* Exterior lens surfaces are treated with DiamondCoat 2™ for increased light transmission and abrasion resistance.
* The true focusing eyepiece means the Prismatic can be adjusted and used by anyone.
* The illuminated Circle Dot reticle provides a bold aiming point, and can be used to estimate range. More reticle options coming soon.
* Flip-open lens covers are standard issue with the 1x14mm Prismatic.
* With the thickest maintube of any Leupold ever built, it’s our most rugged scope ever…it’s practically indestructible.
* Absolute waterproof integrity.

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http://www.leupold.com/_images/more_views/1x14mm-tactical-prismatic-prof.jpg

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[Canonshooter]

Rob, funny you mention this - I'm looking at this optic with great interest too!

For day light use, I prefer a non-illuminated reticle. The dot - circle reticle of this optic is very similiar to that of the Russian-made PK-AS. I had the PK-AS on my AK and reticle-wise, I really liked it. Compared to Aimpoint, the reticle is clear, sharp and precise making "accuracy shots" easier than the ill-defined "dot" of an Aimpoint cranked up bright enough to see in full daylight conditions. With a turn of a dial, the PK-AS dot can be illuminated, which works well under lower light conditions. Since I shoot almost exclusively during the day, I rarely used the reticle illumination anyway.

The 1x14 Prismatic appears to be all of this plus the superb optical quality Leupold is renown for. The adjustable diopter eyepiece comes in handy for those of us with less-than-optimal eye sight and the package also includes a sturdy mounting system that is adjustable for height. As a civilian recreational shooter, this is exactly what I'm looking for.

I was considering one for my AK but it appears that it cannot be mounted as low as my current Aimpoint. From what I have read, optimal eye relief is 3 to 5 inches, so mounting it forward on the rifle (like on an UlitMAK) is not an option. But if I ever purchase a flat top AR, this is the optic I will use.

[jmart]

All previously posted:

15 hours of battery life.

Reticle not daylight visible.

Two settings for the reticle: ON and OFF.

It's supposed to come with various spacers to allow for different mounting heigths. Not sure how low it can be mounted.

ETA: The outer ring spans 180 MOA or therabouts.

[rob_s]

All previously posted:

15 hours of battery life.

Reticle not daylight visible.

Two settings for the reticle: ON and OFF.

It's supposed to come with various spacers to allow for different mounting heigths. Not sure how low it can be mounted.
That pretty much kills it for me.

[Sweep]

at the cost of a aim point i think i will stick whit what i have :eek:

[olds442tyguy]

It amazes me how a good company such as Leupold can drop the ball so bad. The only thing I like about the Prismatic is the etched reticle. Everything else fails for anything I'd ever want.

Why can't someone just make a 1X good sized tube with a glass etched reticle and bright tritium illumination for a decent price.

[jmart]

The specs I quoted are what Leupold responded with to an inquiry I made to them a couple of months ago. I don't think the sight is out on the market yet so I'm wondering if they are redesigning things. This optic has been announced for around a year now, and it's still not out.

Maybe it would have protruded more, but why they couldn't use a CR123 for a battery source (and get a couple hundred hours of battery life) instead of the watch battery I was told about is beyond me. And why they felt it was beneficial to make the illumnination module removeable, I don't get that either.

I really wanted to like this sight, and I still do in a way, but given what the competition offers, I think Leupold will be hard pressed to penetrate the market very much.

[Canonshooter]

All previously posted:

1. 15 hours of battery life.

2. Reticle not daylight visible.

3. Two settings for the reticle: ON and OFF.

ETA: The outer ring spans 180 MOA or therabouts.

I guess Im in a minority but as a strictly recreational shooter, they are non-issues for me;

1. I rarely use reticle illumination.

2. I prefer it that way.

3. See numbers one and two above.

Sharp optics, adjustable eyepiece diopter, etched reticle and no need to "turn it on" for daylight use are the major advantages to me over my current Aimpoint.

[bigant]

I thought there not out until late this year....

[jmart]

I guess Im in a minority but as a strictly recreational shooter, they are non-issues for me;

1. I rarely use reticle illumination.

2. I prefer it that way.

3. See numbers one and two above.

Sharp optics, adjustable eyepiece diopter, etched reticle and no need to "turn it on" for daylight use are the major advantages to me over my current Aimpoint.


If it works for you, go for it. It's all about requirements, not bling. As long as you don't need full time illumination it should be a good optic. It's just I wonder what motivated them to use such a small battery with such limited life. It would just seem to make more sense to use a bigger battery and get longer life.

[Canonshooter]

As long as you don't need full time illumination it should be a good optic.

I agree.

BTW, I have no idea what the "illumination module" looks like and how it attaches to the sight. I wish they were more clear about that...

[jmart]

I saw a picture of it attached from a review on TOS. It's a ring that wraps around the tube and plugs into the port at the 1:00 position (you should be able to see the port in the pics above). The battery housing and ON/OFF knob protrude directly above the port maybe 1/2 -3/4" or so. It's relatively low profile, and maybe that's why they went with such a small battery compared to a CR123.

[paulosantos]

It amazes me how a good company such as Leupold can drop the ball so bad. The only thing I like about the Prismatic is the etched reticle. Everything else fails for anything I'd ever want.

Why can't someone just make a 1X good sized tube with a glass etched reticle and bright tritium illumination for a decent price.


You have to keep in mind that this optic was designed for LE agencies who want an optic that does not rely on batteries and some agencies don't allow magnification on patrol AR's. This optic isn't for everyone, so if it isn't for you, it doesn't mean it is a piece of crap or that Leupold dropped the ball. I'd pick and Aimpoint any day over this and even an EOTech. I have no use for his optic either, but it has its purposes.

[Harv]

For the life of me.. I can't understand why anyone would be excited by this optic...
especially for the price it will most likely be selling for..

I don't know about you, but I want a optic I can see day or night..anytime
cause my"recreational " gun today may be my "life depends on it" gun tomorrow or when I least expect it.. but that is just my requirement.

Watch this optic in 12-18 months drop of the radar..... I'm just sayin...;)