View Full Version : Tough Decision...BCM Or Daniel Defense...
DeltaSierra
07-13-11, 22:31
I feel stupid, but I can't make up my mind as to which rifle to build...
I have built ARs in the past, but I am allowing myself to build one more rifle and I cannot decide between DD and BCM...
I'm not set on one or the other, and really don't know if there is any quality difference between the two that is worth noting.
If it makes any difference, it will receive fairly heavy training use, and will be in an M-4 configuration without rails.
Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome...
Fire_Medic
07-13-11, 22:32
Either, but if for a rifle to be left in basic configuration take a look at the Colt SP 6920 from G&R Tactical for under $1K.......
I am partial to BCM. It is personal preference though.
As others have said it is just personal preference. I love DD and BCM and you can't go wrong with either.
Jake Bauer
07-13-11, 22:39
As nimdabew is partial to BCM, I am partial towards DD. But Both brands are top notch. For the quality and price, I think they are the 2 best in the business.
brzusa.1911
07-13-11, 22:40
You can't go wrong with either, I like DD though.
polydeuces
07-13-11, 22:45
FWIW - before you get too wrapped up, see what is actually available. Many parts, with a mid-legth CHF barrels in particular, can be slim picking. Be it DD or BCM. And that's just the beginning.
TonyTacoma
07-13-11, 22:48
Flip a coin? Whoever has what you want in stock?
Flip a coin and pick one....you'll never notice the difference between them.
Toyoland66
07-13-11, 22:51
whichever is cheaper and in stock.
I've had a few of each and still own both but do tend to prefer the BCM's. I feel like from my own shooting that both are great platforms but have had fewer minor issue with BCM. I'll also offer the Colt from Grant for less than a grand.
Toss a coin mate, you can't lose on this one.
Cameron
Like everyone else pretty much said- assuming the setup you want- whichever is in stock. if they are both in stock, whichever is cheaper.
Perhaps I'm daft, but where's the Colt 6920 for <1k? I see an out of stock 6920 at G&R for 1250...
Fire_Medic
07-14-11, 00:39
Perhaps I'm daft, but where's the Colt 6920 for <1k? I see an out of stock 6920 at G&R for 1250...
Post #10......
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=84821
@Fire_Medic
Thanks. That clears things up quite a bit. :)
Mr. Goodtimes
07-14-11, 01:21
You're comparing apples and apples. Flip a coin, pick whoever you think has the coolest name, rub their product catalogs on your pecker and see which one makes you get off quicker... It really doesn't matter.
Why not just get a sample of both?? One is primary, one is secondary. Someone once said.......2 is 1 and 1 is none. Can't remember who that might be. :D:rolleyes:
I like the coin toss idea if you are truly stuck.
Personally I favor the free rails on the DD models but that's just me. ;)
*EDIT* "Partly" why I chose the DDM4v3.
I have a DD upper and my partner has a BCM BFH. They are both fine carbines. I cannot tell the difference between the two.
I'm partial to BCM.
That said, I keep looking for reports about (significant) DD rifle problems, but the crickets keep chirping.
If there's a wrong answer to your question based on quality alone, I don't know what it is. Good luck.
jonconsiglio
07-14-11, 11:09
For me it would depend on availability and the rail system I was choosing. If I wanted it with a KAC or LaRue rail, I'd go with BCM. If I wanted it with a DD rail, I'd most likely go with DD.
If it was an upper only, I'd probably lean towards the BCM just because I order so much through them (for me, compared to other stores i order through) and I'm familiar and comfotrable with the way they do things.
If I was ordering a complete rifle, it would mostly come down to has what in stock. There's something about Bravo Co that is reassuring and gives me a confidence I don't feel with many others even if they run 100%.
I'm going to do a Kino next and most likely use the Centurion mid length FSP rail. I'd really like a DD GL/SSC RIS II, but since they aren't being produced I'll go with the Centurion. In this instance I'm looking at barrels and who offers what. IIRC, BCM does not offer a chf 12.5" while I believe DD does. On the other hand, I can order it from BCM completely built, not sure I can do that with DD.
Sorry, that came out different than I thought it would and probably didn't help! Let us know what you decide.
Jon
brzusa.1911
07-14-11, 11:27
I'm partial to BCM.
That said, I keep looking for reports about (significant) DD rifle problems, but the crickets keep chirping.
If there's a wrong answer to your question based on quality alone, I don't know what it is. Good luck.
I found a problem with DD rifles, the are very addictive :help:
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/brzusa_1911/Guns/DSC_0104.jpg
Daniel Defense lowers have a more flared magwell and I believe Daniel Defense lightweight profile CHF barrels are the lightest weight in the industry. Its also been my experience that their upper to lower fit usually is nice and snug with very little if any play.
DeltaSierra
07-14-11, 17:14
Thanks for the help (or lack thereof... :eek:).....
Still don't know which one to go with, but I guess that it doesn't really matter since the quality of both manufacturers seems to be top
notch....
shaneinhisroom
07-14-11, 17:26
I just flipped a coin for you. Get DD.
Honestly you can't go wrong with either brand. I would recommend purchasing from whichever company has what you want in stock and for the best price.
Either way, when your choices are between Daniel Defense or BCM, you come out a winner :D
Last year I was leaning to BCM but instead found a Daniel Defense lightweight CHF 16" midlength upper. Very pleased with it. Next build I'll probably get a BCM if what I want is in stock.
I didn't get rails, went with MOE handguards instead. For anyone going that route, the DD round end cap on the stock FSB holds the MOE extremely tight, no wobble like you get with the usual triangular end caps you see on midlengths, ArmaLite for one and I believe BCM. And not a big deal but the DD also didn't have the superfulous bottom sling mount like BCM. Picking nits here...
Considering it is a toss up as to which one is better then I go with my hierarchy of good decision making processes. What other variables make one more desirable over another? I live in Georgia and prefer to support local companies when I can. Daniel Defense it would be.
Well I wonder what youre getting with BCM since they do not actually manufacture their own stuff correct? Is it possible that you'd be getting a DD barrel on a BCM rifle anyway?
Toyoland66
07-14-11, 21:14
Last year I was leaning to BCM but instead found a Daniel Defense lightweight CHF 16" midlength upper. Very pleased with it. Next build I'll probably get a BCM if what I want is in stock.
I didn't get rails, went with MOE handguards instead. For anyone going that route, the DD round end cap on the stock FSB holds the MOE extremely tight, no wobble like you get with the usual triangular end caps you see on midlengths, ArmaLite for one and I believe BCM. And not a big deal but the DD also didn't have the superfulous bottom sling mount like BCM. Picking nits here...
I have moe hand guards on a bcm middy with the triangle cap, and they are rock solid, so not sure that the cap style matters for that application. The moe is molded for for both styles.
Pick the one whose logo you prefer. ;)
brzusa.1911
07-15-11, 09:01
Here is a suggestion, call both and evaluate their customer service. Send them both an email with the same questions and evaluate their answer - time to respond, quality of the answer...
Two things I consider when purchasing anything - quality of the item and customer service support (never know if you will need).
Here is a suggestion, call both and evaluate their customer service. Send them both an email with the same questions and evaluate their answer - time to respond, quality of the answer...
Two things I consider when purchasing anything - quality of the item and customer service support (never know if you will need).
I might be able to answer this for you on the DD side...I called a few times with just questions, no problems, and talked to someone within 1 minute. Friendly and prompt. As far as fixing problems, well I've never had one so I couldn't tell ya
Flipping the coin method for this situation is not a bad solution.
It's win win either way.
whichever is cheaper and in stock.
Yea I'd go with the above. Should be happy with either.
GeorgiaBoy
07-16-11, 16:21
As said, you can't go wrong with either. I'm slightly partial to DD since I live just a half hour drive from them, but I wouldn't hesitate at all to get a BCM. In fact my, my next upper is going to come from them. DD makes a bit more stuff in-house than BCM if I recall correctly, if that matters to you.
DD went from being one of the best rail mfg's around a few years ago to being one of the best rifle mfg's as well. They have really made a name for themselves, no doubt.
All my builds are frankenguns, so ive used both companies. Top notch, no problems with either. As to complete guns, i can't comment but just lookat the above comments....
2nd.amendment
07-16-11, 20:15
Sixes ... but if you are building, DD barrels can often be had for about $70 less than BCM BFH (if that factors in for you).
Skyfire1201
07-16-11, 21:56
Sixes ... but if you are building, DD barrels can often be had for about $70 less than BCM BFH (if that factors in for you).
where did you get a deal like that? The best I could find is about the same price, and DD is almost always out of stick on their website.
2nd.amendment
07-17-11, 08:29
where did you get a deal like that? The best I could find is about the same price, and DD is almost always out of stick on their website.
BCM BFH with FSB is $310 + s/h
DD with FSB is $240 + s/h at Aim with one of their promo codes. I've seen them around $260 with FSB elsewhere, but I admit I haven't been looking just recently (I get into too much trouble when I start browsing ...) Looks like Aim only have 16" midlength at the moment.
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