Are you saying you wouldn't be out shooting the rifle used for house protection?
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My comment didn't really require approval or a nod. I simply stated that "if this is going down the AR v. SG rabbit hole, it's over". We have had NUMEROUS discussions about SD/HD and what everyone thinks is the best option and why.
One needs only use the search feature.
Probably not as I carry other stuff. For some of my personal guns, I have to plan out months in advance to get to enjoy them.
A sad irony.
Also....I feel this hasnt been addressed but...
Lessay you get the absolutely quietest can ever made and the optimal ammo for said can.
If the perps return fire it's still going to be loud indoors. Even if they do a sideways Leroy banging away as they try to get out the door; you're still going to be exposed to noise. Esp. if one decided to bring a shotgun.
26 inf touched on something that I feel has been overlooked but is very true.
There's how we think our enemy will fight and there's reality. Even if you totally retake initiative, there will still be panic and sympathetic fire. Indoors. Loud.
I mean, I'm not being critical but people get an AEM5 or some super quiet suppressor and shoot it outdoors with electronic earpro and think "Gee this is quiet. Rather pleasant even."
But if a buncha knuckleheads panic and do a mad minute in your hallway, it's still going to be loud.
I'm not saying it has never happened in the world but suppressor vs suppressor fights are, I would reckon, pretty rare.
I suppose that's why I dont really care for suppressors as a big draw. Your gun might be no louder than a mousefart but their guns will still be at full volume.
They arent just gonna stand still and take it.
BTDT there are folks who damn sure dont mind shooting at the police crowd or no crowd.
That's just the brass tacks.
The guys willing to bust in your house or shoot up a mall or whatever are not as worried about ear pro as anybody on this board.
They dont sit around doing sandtables, writing OPLANS, comparing the optimal equipment and doing function checks of their gear.
To paraphrase Eddie Griffin it is like this:
"So we gon hit this goofy mofo's house?"
"yeah"
"A'ight then I got my glock 40."
"I got a .45 and a spare clip"
"Yo I brung muh 12 gauge"
"And I got my snub trey eight and this baby AK with a banana clip"
"Cool. We gon' go in through the back door and rush his ass. If he moves, shoot. Crazy mofo got guns"
That's more or less the thought they put in it as they want money, guns, jewelry, or fenceables.
I'm just saying. This ain't wargaming NATO vs USSR here with peer to peer forces. It's a buncha shitsticks who dont care about other people breaking in your house or shooting up your block.
I'd rather be alive with 50% hearing loss than dead with perfect hearing.
Sad, indeed. The AR that sits next to my bed is the one I shoot the most. I even take it out to the desert in search of jackrabbits.
Just because the badguys are making a racket, doesn't mean I have to!Quote:
Lessay you get the absolutely quietest can ever made and the optimal ammo for said can.
If the perps return fire it's still going to be loud indoors. Even if they do a sideways Leroy banging away as they try to get out the door; you're still going to be exposed to noise.
In all seriousness, that's ok. Having a silencer on my weapon is one less source of noise and concussion. It ain't perfect, but it's better than totally sucks. I paid good money to have a silencer. Might as well put it to good use.
Off topic, but I'd like to see the actual numbers on this. Shotguns have much less pressure exiting the muzzle than even handguns. That should mean lower decibels.Quote:
Esp. if one decided to bring a shotgun.
Fortunately that is in no way the decision we are facing
That's how I see it. Even accounting for the possibility of your foes being armed (and almost surely unsuppressed), they probably aren't going to have their muzzle 1-2 feet from your ear (as yours will be), they may not even be in the same room, or they may not even be in the same building if this is one of the OP scenarios other than HD, or if they are in the process of breaking through the door, etc. I'd take a pistol being fired from the other end of the hallway/living room/basement, or from the other side of a parked/disabled car, over a rifle especially a short rifle with its muzzle 1-2 feet from my ears. The foes may not even be armed with a firearm.
I a pretty sure that of the options being considered, the rifle will indeed sound the loudest and be the hardest on the ear, probably one reason why so many people put suppressors on them...they are fricken loud, but also have umpteen advantages going for them so we want to pick/use them anyway. From a practical and in-use standpoint, you can basically have your cake and eat it too with a suppressed AR, you don't really lose any of the great AR weapon type advantages...same or lesser length, everything else basically the same except it's much less loud. Maybe you pick your ammo a little more carefully for defensive roles?
False binary. What if I told you you could have your cake and eat it, too? Answer C is only two stamps away.
In reference to shotguns being less loud due to muzzle pressure, I have experienced gunfire indoors sans earpro twice. Once with a pistol, once with a shotgun. With the pistol, once the situation was under control, I briefly wondered if I was completely deaf. I remember it being like someone hit mute on the world. The first shot was very painful. The shotgun, I was able to hear again much more quickly. The pistol muzzle was further from my ears than the shotgun, but in a much more cramped space.
Anecdotes; not really data.
I'm curious as to how many people in this thread have actually shot at, or been shot at, inside of a house that wasn't a controlled shoothouse.
The shotgun rang my bell because I was young, not expecting it, and in a hallway. It didn't like concuss me, but wasn't pleasant.
It's loud, semi-comtrolled chaos.
It wont really matter if you have a suppressor or not.
And its a pucker factor moment for sure.
Trust me, if you've trained, the noise,won't matter until it's all over where the volume gets turned way down, there's a ring, and your ears are hurting.
The biggest thing is be grateful you survived, hopefully minus injury, and despite being outnumbered.
It's your guns. I don't care what you use. It won't be me, and statistically, it won't be you getting stepped on.
I'm just saying life is a lot different.
The gun is 1% of 99% of your defensive needs
I'm much more likely to have my home invaded by Racoons now than some Thugs, but when that wasn't the case I put much more emphasis on layers of protection I can retreat through rather than a specific firearm.
I would rather buy time in such a case. There is a lot to be said for solid doors, good locks and a dog who's bite is worse than it's bark.
I spent a lot of time TDY and when I did I put four solid locked doors and a Doberman between the entrance to my home and the walk in closet I turned in to a poor man's safe room for my wife.
These crimes are about time, create more time for yourself and you're much less appealing.