Saw this on BCM's other forum. Looks sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rguk8GJJsWM
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Saw this on BCM's other forum. Looks sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rguk8GJJsWM
Posted this in another thread as some people were questioning if its even in the works. Taken from haley strategic fb page
Logan W.
What's this BCM keymod handguard you speak of in your new video?
Haley Strategic Partners A product we're testing. If you take a class with us in the next month, you might see it first hand.
Logan W. Nice!
Ya, they have been working on this for awhile. I think that we will see them for sale this year, but that is the best I can tell you.
C4
This looks like what the NSR could've been if Noveske wouldn't have had to retool to get KEYMOD on the 45s. I wonder how it will mount.
I, too, am interested in finding out how it mounts. This might be the perfect addition to my BCM upper:)
How do you say PWS and BCM make the Keymod rails, and some other people do as well, and fail to mention NOVESKE who were the first to use it on an AR platform? I shut it off after that.
The BCM rail looks good, but there aren't many ways to configure a Keymod so I think we will see a lot which look similar. The largest differences are going to be how wide a company goes and its attachment method.
Yep. Not knocking BCM. Would never but Noveske was the first. I have an NSR on my primary rifle and am completely satisfied. KAC's offering does have 45 degree mounting positions which may make it more interesting.
Kincel going from Vltor to BCM does make Bravo's future with the key mod interesting. Not sure of how much Eric had on the keymod development but his recent employment to Bravo is a great plus to BCM nonetheless.
-Jax
Interested in seeing some pics when you get the chance Stick.
Travis has since said he was running on low/no sleep and to cut him some slack with the video. he didn't specifically mention noveske but I'm sure thats what he was referring to.
Obviously the rail is going to be skinny, and have keymods 360 around (well except the top rail of course). The question is, how skinny? How much will it weigh? and what sort of barrel nut/attachment will they use?
Oh don't forget cost. If they can sell this rail for under $200 they will clean house. They made a comp that rivals the battlecomp for 40% less $.
It sure is nice to see more Keymod support!
The BCM rail looked like a Knight's URX 4 to me at first, before he repeated it was a BCM. Keymod slots at the top 45* marks will be a welcome addition over the NSR, primarily for light placement.
Vltor (Led by Eric Kincel) was the sole developer of the KeyMod system and the associated standardized modular technology. Afterwards Eric Kincel (and Vltor) released that technology to every manufacturer in the industry for FREE. The idea was to help the industry move forward with a standard modular system. It is advancement for the warfighter. Vltor did manufacturer the very first KeyMod rail systems for a special .mil project. It was very well received. It was purchased in small quantities and still currently being tested. To my knowledge Vltor has not made that rail as a part their standard commercial offering.
John Noveske (being the smartest of the bunch) was the first commercial manufacturer to offer a KeyMod rail to the public. Many companies have joined with many more companies in development on a version.
The BCM KeyMod Rail (developed by Eric Kincel, now of BCM) is still in final phases of T&E development with a number of BCMGUNFIGHTER instructors. As such the specs and design have not been finalized. But I can say this; the BCMGUFNIGHTER KeyMod Rail will redefine tactical handguards the same way the BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging handle has redefined that market. -- pretty good tease?.... stay tuned :D
Wow, quite a statement. I'm really looking forward to seeing more. I'd guess that has to have something to do with the attachment method/anti-rotation.
Technical question on KeyMod for anyone who knows (and hopefully OP doesn't mind the hijack): why doesn't the skinny end of the key open back up slightly to provide a more secure slot for the attachment screws to secure to? That would prevent the attachments from sliding. Wouldn't that protect against counter-recoil and be a better method than relying on a little hook that goes in the next opening over?
Should have the thorntail keymod in my hands shortly. Worried it may be too universal but we'll see.
The attachments don't slide in keymod and it doesn't need anti recoil protection any more than it already has.
Look at pictures of the under side of attachments to understand.
I wonder why they don't put keymod on the top (with some picatinny at the top front for buis)?
I want to put a vote in for a 13.5" model. 12" and 13" are too small. 15" is too big. 13.5 is juuuust right. Plus then I can do a FSB cut-out and still have room for a x300/tlr1 in front of the front sight @12oclock.
I agree, we should totally throw out any quality so we can keep the rail as cheap as possible. Heaven forbid the rail be over $200 so the bottom feeders can pretend they will buy it.
BCM is known for making cheap worthless crap, so you should have no concerns at all when it comes to pricing. I'm guessing it should be under $99. :rolleyes:
If people don't understand the above as a sarcastic rant, at this point I really don't care. I'm tired of people cheerleading for the cheapest prices while demanding top of the line products.
Paul, sorry for ranting in your thread brother, but this stuff reminds me over and over of the people who buy buy airsoft parts and complain they don't fit their Olympic Arms carbines. You gear is squared away, and I know you will price is where it needs to be. God bless you for having more patience than me tonight. Every time a new product is talked about it is the price or delivery date that people start bitching about.
NN- It isn't your post in particular, but your comment is where these threads start to go downhill.
It's not. I gave 6 samples away to various level people for T&E as well as HSP. Including some to Matt and his product eval guys. See review: http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2013/07...egic-partners/
Nothing but positive comments. You'll like it or I'll send you a refund.
Mount-N-Slot
Technical question on KeyMod for anyone who knows (and hopefully OP doesn't mind the hijack): why doesn't the skinny end of the key open back up slightly to provide a more secure slot for the attachment screws to secure to? That would prevent the attachments from sliding. Wouldn't that protect against counter-recoil and be a better method than relying on a little hook that goes in the next opening over?
The shape of the key with the round hole in the rear is for the recoil locking lug. The mount interfaces in this hole with .010" clearance and the screws keep it tight against the rail. It's a well thought out design. We made a slight change to our mounts to allow them to fit fwd / rwd (Our Weapon Control for ex.) compared to Eric's initial design.
MOUNT-N-SLOT
woah, I'm not too worried about this thread going downhill. I was just stating that the things I could see BCM offering over an NSR is lighter (don't really see how), skinnier, keymod all the way around and less expensive. People don't buy BCM anything to put on their olympic arms guns.
BCM puts things out at insanely low prices so if anyone could produce a rail on par with/better than the NSR at a cheaper price, bcm could.
Btw not everyone gets tons of gear for free stick :-).
While your here, what are your thoughts on the new Parallax Rail? I held one at a local store and was extremely impressed with it. Though surprised i had never heard of it. Saw you took some pictures of it so I was just curious on your impressions, seeing as how you've held more lightwieght rails than a catholic priest.
KeyMod is less expensive to manufacture than a typical 1913 rail of the same length / diameter / material. The caveat to this is receiver attachment device / method.
As for quality, BCM makes top-shelf kit, the KeyMod they are finalizing is no exception.
MOUNT-N-SLOT
I noticed in a pic on another site what looked like anti-rotation tabs, which is a very nice feature if it makes to final production. Look forward to more details as they trickle out.
Stick, there is no arguing with people that want to buy the wrong gear at the "right" price. Fortunately, I think that crowd is in the minority here.
My thoughts exactly. The same crap happened in the Centurion CMR thread. Let the manufacturer set their prices and you can vote with your wallet.
I'm looking forward to seeing more information on the BCM keymod rail. The mounting points on the 45's really intrigue me. Depending on the barrel nut design, I may have found a keymod rail that actually interests me.
Does anyone know if there are other designs available currently with the 45 degree mounting points? The KAC & BCM prototypes are the only ones I've seen so far.
Mega Arms MKM... They will have the 45 degree keymods. 5.56 version is rumored to be out soon.
FYI
LAV just posted the best pic of it so far on his facebook page. Also mentioned it's an aluminum/magnesium blend that is extremely lightweight.
You can see the anti rotation tabs (score). However, the method of attachment to the barrel nut is new to me. I don't know what i'm looking at. Maybe someone who knows more about proprietary barrel nuts/ff rails could shed some light. (I see a single screw up so high it looks like it should be hitting the gas tube.)Certainly looks nothing like centurian, NSR, or troy methods that i've seen.
Edit to add: I would post the pic or a link to it here, but I dont think that is kosher.
Picture help of LAV's BCM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
where's the pre-order link?? :)
I'm pondering if it's worth chopping my A2 and running my mid-length through this.
According to the description on facebook:
"Add that to a BCM 14.5 hammer forged pencil barrel with pinned BCM gunfighter combination flash hider and comp the overall effect is for a carbine that handles extremely well!!"
Does this mean Larry's running a 14.5" middy now?...given that the BHF 14.5" is a middy.
Perhaps I'm missing something about the design ........ wouldn't it be better for the smaller diameter to be rearward?
Or do accessories want to move forward under recoil?
Oh give Keymod a chance. It's a much better system than attaching rail sections to slick hand guards just to attach something.
Granted most people aren't attaching anything to the sides or bottom anymore except for flashlights and the occasional handstop. Still a good idea, and I'm not a weight weenie.
It has an integrated QD mount, correct?