4 9mm loads- Given a choice..which one?

Im presently about to re-stock up on 9mm ammo.
This ammo will NOT be for everyday carry/self defense...I have plenty of that.
This ammo will be for training/practice/SHTF/rainy day ect. ect.
I want full power..as close to +P or NATO spec as possible.
Ive narrowed down to the following 4:
1. MEN 9mm 124gr FMJ
2. Blazer Brass 124gr FMJ
3. Speer Lawman 124.gr. FMJ
4. Winchester NATO 124gr. FMJ.

Which of these would you choose to load up on for reasons given..and why?
Also- is the Speer Lawman load in 9mm and other calibers, a hotter load in terms of FPS than other FMJ range type ammo?
Any other suggestions that meet my criteria welcomed.

None of your four choices are +P, all are standard pressure (1140 fps+-).
Given that none are "hotter" than the others, intended purpose is training/practice; I'd get the cheaper of them.

SS, you might have to check the respective websites in order to confirm velocities. With that said, use whatever load that is known to be the most accurate and reliable for your​ firearms.

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Originally Posted by gaijin

None of your four choices are +P, all are standard pressure (1140 fps+-).
Given that none are "hotter" than the others, intended purpose is training/practice; I'd get the cheaper of them.

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Went back and checked my chrono notes Id forgot about...you are correct about at least the Blazer load. My notes from some time ago show the Winchester NATO load right at +P. Also found info on the MEN load..showing 1214fps. Isnt that close to +P?
Who makes a +P FMJ load in 124gr?

Of the list, I'd probably say the MEN would be the first choice. After that, for overall quality I would be inclined to give the nod to the Speer over Winchester. The blazer I'd personally put at the bottom. That said, I am not sure if the Speer 9mm is going to be hotter than just standard pressure opposed to NATO, which the Win and MEN ammo should be running at, though not having chronoed the stuff I cannot say with utmost certainty and only having shot the NATO ammo next to standard US manufactured ammo and finding the recoil to be a tad bit brisker.

Also, OP, another option to consider would be S&B. I have shot the stuff for years, and have always favored it for training, and it was definitely loaded hotter than most domestic manufacturer ball. I know my Beretta loves the stuff. Not sure if the MEN might not be better ammo than the S&B, but it is an option and prices on it have been pretty good lately like under $200 before shipping.

I haven't tried the MEN yet, but of the other options on your list, I liked Speer the most.

It is what I stocked up most on for training/non-defensive use. I did find that it shot a little hotter than others, but I have no chrono to measure. So this is just based off perceived feel.

I have a few boxes of Magtech 124 gr that I have yet to try. I've heard good things about it, and it was priced about the same as Speer.

Gecco is another good option that's pretty cheap, but very comparable to Speer, Blazer, and Winchester IMO.

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Originally Posted by Kain

Of the list, I'd probably say the MEN would be the first choice. After that, for overall quality I would be inclined to give the nod to the Speer over Winchester. The blazer I'd personally put at the bottom. That said, I am not sure if the Speer 9mm is going to be hotter than just standard pressure opposed to NATO, which the Win and MEN ammo should be running at, though not having chronoed the stuff I cannot say with utmost certainty and only having shot the NATO ammo next to standard US manufactured ammo and finding the recoil to be a tad bit brisker.

Also, OP, another option to consider would be S&B. I have shot the stuff for years, and have always favored it for training, and it was definitely loaded hotter than most domestic manufacturer ball. I know my Beretta loves the stuff. Not sure if the MEN might not be better ammo than the S&B, but it is an option and prices on it have been pretty good lately like under $200 before shipping.

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Thanks to all- Ill certainly look into S&B. That's one ammo brand Ive have 0 experience with. Ill look around for some specs.

I just went through a case of that Speer lawman and had zero issues through a Glock 19, 26 and P30L. Shot great. Felt hotter than most of the range ammo that I use, but I have no chrono or anything to back that up. Blazer brass is the case I just cracked into, but is my usual target ammo. Never had an ammo related issue there either.

All of those will likely serve you well, but if it'd were me I'd go with the MEN first (just based on interwebz hype) then Speer. Lawman is supposed to be the practice ammo counterpart to Gold Dots and I've always liked it a lot.


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Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

1. MEN 9mm 124gr FMJ
2. Blazer Brass 124gr FMJ
3. Speer Lawman 124.gr. FMJ
4. Winchester NATO 124gr. FMJ.

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Of those four, the Speer.

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Originally Posted by Kain

Of the list, I'd probably say the MEN would be the first choice. After that, for overall quality I would be inclined to give the nod to the Speer over Winchester. The blazer I'd personally put at the bottom. That said, I am not sure if the Speer 9mm is going to be hotter than just standard pressure opposed to NATO, which the Win and MEN ammo should be running at, though not having chronoed the stuff I cannot say with utmost certainty and only having shot the NATO ammo next to standard US manufactured ammo and finding the recoil to be a tad bit brisker.

Also, OP, another option to consider would be S&B. I have shot the stuff for years, and have always favored it for training, and it was definitely loaded hotter than most domestic manufacturer ball. I know my Beretta loves the stuff. Not sure if the MEN might not be better ammo than the S&B, but it is an option and prices on it have been pretty good lately like under $200 before shipping.

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FYI- Just found a youtube video with chrono info on the S&B 124gr FMJ..its running 1104fps out of a 5" barrel.
The Winchester NATO load is running about 1207 or so out of same. This is a +P load for all intents.
I appreciate all responses...I think Ill get the MEN after all is said n done.

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MEN is a TRUE 124gr NATO spec. The German ammo makes ALL use ammo manufacturers look like crap.


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Originally Posted by C4IGrant

MEN is a TRUE 124gr NATO spec. The German ammo makes ALL use ammo manufacturers look like crap.


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What about the new S&B surplus/overrun?

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Originally Posted by Arik

What about the new S&B surplus/overrun?

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Depends on the version. S&B has two different ones. One is to NATO pressure and one isn't.


This is the standard: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...tion&key=MEN9B


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Originally Posted by C4IGrant

Depends on the version. S&B has two different ones. One is to NATO pressure and one isn't.


This is the standard: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...tion&key=MEN9B


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This one
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This one
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We have the same ammo in stock. It is NOT NATO pressured. I have the e-mail from the factory stating as such.


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Originally Posted by C4IGrant

MEN is a TRUE 124gr NATO spec. The German ammo makes ALL use ammo manufacturers look like crap.


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FYI:
Glock 19 10 rounds MEN 124gr FMJ NATO
HI: 1085
LOW: 1040
ES: 45fps
AVE: 1068

Glock 17 124gr FMJ NATO
HI: 1104
LOW: 1069
ES: 35fps
AVE: 1085
Shot a few hundred that day out of both guns. 100% reliable and EXTREMELY accurate in both. Cleanest, shiniest, brightest ammo I ever did see. I think they've got some old ladies polishing every round before it leaves the factory.
Maybe not.

Speer Lawman has worked well for me and a few others I know and shoot with.

After reading this thread I want to buy MEN, but I do have experience with winchester NATO and speer lawman. I didn't chrono either load but they both ran 100% in my glock 19. I have always heard that the military spec'd 9mm NATO to be a very spicy 9mm. Definitely can tell the difference between NATO and something weak like regular 115 white box. Speer law man is supposed to be loaded to the same pressures as their comparable grains in gold dot, to facilitate training costs and POI without running through pricey gold dots. I know they make +P cause I bought some 200gr +P when I had a 45.

Speer Lawman.

I have found no difference in power/recoil in these rounds.

Speer Lawman is clean and reliable, just loaded slightly on the light side. Great training ammo.

Not as much a fan of Winchester or Blazer

I've never use the MEN so I cannot comment

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Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

Im presently about to re-stock up on 9mm ammo.
This ammo will NOT be for everyday carry/self defense...I have plenty of that.
This ammo will be for training/practice/SHTF/rainy day ect. ect.
I want full power..as close to +P or NATO spec as possible.
Ive narrowed down to the following 4:
1. MEN 9mm 124gr FMJ
2. Blazer Brass 124gr FMJ
3. Speer Lawman 124.gr. FMJ
4. Winchester NATO 124gr. FMJ.

Which of these would you choose to load up on for reasons given..and why?
Also- is the Speer Lawman load in 9mm and other calibers, a hotter load in terms of FPS than other FMJ range type ammo?
Any other suggestions that meet my criteria welcomed.

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Winchester NATO 124gr. FMJ

Which one? MEN.

If asked to rank them:
1- MEN
2- Speer
3- Winchester
4- Blazer

A friend I shoot with got some MEN 124 gr and thought it was dirtier than most of what he has been shooting. I don't know what the other was. he was happy with it otherwise.

I’d buy a box of each, try it in my gun(s) to see which round was accurate and shot POA/POI. Then buy case quantity of the winner.