Millennial Voters Offer Greatest Opposition to ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban

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Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

I want a libertarian government ALL the time.

Everything else you said was nothing more than ill informed opinion.

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Straight from the horses mouth.

https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ -Taxes

Voluntary taxes? If it was voluntary, nobody including me would pay! Why would we? If government receives no tax money, who pays for defense? Who pays interest to treasury bonds? Who pays government payroll? Who pays insurance for mortgage backed securities? Who pays workman's comp? Who maintains public property? You and me? I believe we pay too much in taxes but taxes never the less, are a necessity and vital to our economy.

https://www.lp.org/issues/the-economy/ - economy

same lecture I have heard from the billionaire Koch brothers and Warren Buffet! I own a business and the government doesn't regulate me nor are they in my way. I'm free to hire, fire, pay myself as much as I want, buy whatever I want, sell whatever I want and pretty much do whatever I want. The government doesn't force me to do anything but pay you minimum wage! Think about that! I don't pay unemployment, the government does! I don't guarantee you a retirement savings, the government does however!

https://www.lp.org/issues/crime-and-justice/ - crime and justice

Crime fits punishment i agree with, but legalize everything that isn't "force or fraud" and deal with those things outside of the courts? How? Do we elect judges or counsels? Isn't that what we already have? The War on Drugs is racist? Want to be soft on criminals! Legalize all drugs? Sounds like liberals, "just let us do what we want".

https://www.lp.org/issues/foreign-policy/ - foreign policy

They believe all Americans would stand up and fight for this country if a war was justified! Delusional! No military presence outside of US! No military intervention! Draft is slavery? Military justification only for defense? You can have a strong and powerful nation or you can have whatever the libertarians want. Sounds like a speech Obama once gave!

https://www.lp.org/issues/healthcare/ - healthcare

I agree with a lot of there points but the problem isn't the FDA or government. Its the health industry all together! Pharmaceutical companies, health care insurance companies, doctors, hospitals they all work together.

This is nothing but fantasy!! The modern day Whig Party trying to appeal to the masses! This is a party that doesn't want to be held accountable or be responsible for anything- just let things happen. There is a reason the Libertarian party has attracted so many 20-35 year olds in the last decade. Because it looks good on paper! Because on paper you get to have your cake and eat it too. You get to keep your guns and take care of your own problems and pay the government nothing and live a full meaningful life as freely as you want!

Unregulated private sector can be just as bad, in some cases worse, than a socialist government. The truth is, the ONLY reason that things like workers rights exist, including the abolishment of slavery, is that laws were passed, and various oversights were established to force businesses to treat their employees fairly.

The government and the citizens need to have a relationship of mutual distrust. The people, as a whole, can't be trusted to do what's right without the threat of force should they do wrong. The government can't be trusted to respect the people's rights without answering to the people.

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Originally Posted by elephant

Libertarian is liberalism disguised as progressive-conservatism. There is a reason a lot of liberals are moving towards the libertarian party.

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https://youtu.be/bYwQxvFAIJY

Ronald Reagan disagrees with you sir.

The problem with Libertarianism isn’t so much the principles, it is the anti-social a-holes it attracts. Liberterianism doesn’t mean anarchy, it means minimal govt. Libertarianism has people associated with it that don’t want to follow any laws, and that isn’t a viable social/political structure. I see a lot of those people out here in the west- they should have a big sign that says “Don’t touch me”. We’ll never have a Libertarian govt, but we can get more and more of it run on it’s principles. Get some states run more in tune with it.

The baby boomers and AR-Vietnam thing is interesting.

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Originally Posted by PatrioticDisorder

https://youtu.be/bYwQxvFAIJY

Ronald Reagan disagrees with you sir.

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in 1983, Libertarian was a "fashionable" word. Reagan was a true republican-conservative.

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Originally Posted by elephant

Libertarian theorists have the luxury of mixing and matching policies to create an imaginary utopia where everything just worked out perfectly and everyone got along. An imaginary world with political policies that both liberals and conservatives can embrace.

Libertarians are on the same page as republicans on a few key issues including economic freedom, property rights, defense spending and 2nd amendment. And that's how they appeal to conservatives.

But they share a lot of views with liberals including, foreign policy, personal freedom, tolerance for others, civil liberties and separation of church and state (I know a lot of libertarians are atheist). And that is how they attract liberals.

And the fact that they want to remain neutral and not take a stand on issues like drugs, LGBT policies, immigration and abortion certainly make one draw the conclusion that libertarianism is more closely to liberalism than it is conservatism.

What makes Libertarians so attractive to both sides of the political isle is that they embrace liberty, free markets, tolerance, rules of law, limited government, peace, individualism, and spontaneous order. Libertarians believe the fundamental weakness of the system is its fundamental premise.. that everything will work out well (or at least much better than it is now) if we just let all people be rational in their own self-interest without government telling us what to do.

That is not true. Many people are irrational. Half the population is (by definition) of below-average intelligence, or below-average sense of responsibility, or below-average knowledge of basic economics and personal money-management. Basically, a lot of people are f---- stupid. That's why we have warning labels on everything. Many people are incapable of making the rational choices that would make the Libertarian utopia work.

Unfortunately, the current accepted alternative is for the government to treat us all like children, as if we are all incapable of making rational decisions ourselves. Would you want a libertarian government during the 2008 financial crisis? NO! because they would let us sink and say "we told you so". Would you want a libertarian government during a natural disaster. No! because they would say "its your responsibility".

Beyond that the libertarian party is split into 2 groups, left leaning and right leaning and that's why the libertarian party isn't taken seriously. Trying to play the role of "best of both worlds" and a common ground in not going to work in their favor.

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You know that is a great post. I divided it to make it easier for me to read.

The major problem that I find with most people's political views is that rational thought and policies generally lose out to self-interest in decision making. Too many folks want to have limited, or no, societal/tribal responsibility, yet they want to reap the benefits of what that society/tribe offers.

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Originally Posted by elephant

Libertarian is liberalism disguised as progressive-conservatism. There is a reason a lot of liberals are moving towards the libertarian party.

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That could be the most narrow-minded description of Libertarians I have ever seen. I personally am a Libertarian, and I just want my gay married friends to be able to protect their weed with AR-15's and not have the Government involved in every facet of their lives.

Libertarianism is about personal freedoms and rights, and not allowing Government to overstep or overreach. To add also, it's about having a Department of defense, not a Department of team America world Police.

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Originally Posted by elephant

Straight from the horses mouth.

https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ -Taxes

Voluntary taxes? If it was voluntary, nobody including me would pay! Why would we? If government receives no tax money, who pays for defense? Who pays interest to treasury bonds? Who pays government payroll? Who pays insurance for mortgage backed securities? Who pays workman's comp? Who maintains public property? You and me? I believe we pay too much in taxes but taxes never the less, are a necessity and vital to our economy.

https://www.lp.org/issues/the-economy/ - economy

same lecture I have heard from the billionaire Koch brothers and Warren Buffet! I own a business and the government doesn't regulate me nor are they in my way. I'm free to hire, fire, pay myself as much as I want, buy whatever I want, sell whatever I want and pretty much do whatever I want. The government doesn't force me to do anything but pay you minimum wage! Think about that! I don't pay unemployment, the government does! I don't guarantee you a retirement savings, the government does however!

https://www.lp.org/issues/crime-and-justice/ - crime and justice

Crime fits punishment i agree with, but legalize everything that isn't "force or fraud" and deal with those things outside of the courts? How? Do we elect judges or counsels? Isn't that what we already have? The War on Drugs is racist? Want to be soft on criminals! Legalize all drugs? Sounds like liberals, "just let us do what we want".

https://www.lp.org/issues/foreign-policy/ - foreign policy

They believe all Americans would stand up and fight for this country if a war was justified! Delusional! No military presence outside of US! No military intervention! Draft is slavery? Military justification only for defense? You can have a strong and powerful nation or you can have whatever the libertarians want. Sounds like a speech Obama once gave!

https://www.lp.org/issues/healthcare/ - healthcare

I agree with a lot of there points but the problem isn't the FDA or government. Its the health industry all together! Pharmaceutical companies, health care insurance companies, doctors, hospitals they all work together.

This is nothing but fantasy!! The modern day Whig Party trying to appeal to the masses! This is a party that doesn't want to be held accountable or be responsible for anything- just let things happen. There is a reason the Libertarian party has attracted so many 20-35 year olds in the last decade. Because it looks good on paper! Because on paper you get to have your cake and eat it too. You get to keep your guns and take care of your own problems and pay the government nothing and live a full meaningful life as freely as you want!

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It seems that there's a generational divide here.

Tell you what. You keep voting Republican (or Democrat, there's really no difference at this point), and keep watching the government grow out of control.

I'll vote for the only party aiming to reduce the size and scope of government because I want my son to have some semblance of freedom by the time he's an adult.

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Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

It seems that there's a generational divide here.

Tell you what. You keep voting Republican (or Democrat, there's really no difference at this point), and keep watching the government grow out of control.

I'll vote for the only party aiming to reduce the size and scope of government because I want my son to have some semblance of freedom by the time he's an adult.

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As a wicked braindead Millennial and self identified Libertarian, I agree with this.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

You know that is a great post. I divided it to make it easier for me to read.

The major problem that I find with most people's political views is that rational thought and policies generally lose out to self-interest in decision making. Too many folks want to have limited, or no, societal/tribal responsibility, yet they want to reap the benefits of what that society/tribe offers.

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End all government subsidies across the board unless active or retired military. We are $20 trillion in debt. We have 95 million unemployed. There will be a hard reset at some point and it will be ugly.