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Try using your bolt in a different bolt carrier group. My guess is the rifle is over gassed. More than likely an oversized gasport
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How are you determining the rings are trashed?
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Send that POS carrier back. Gas rings dont normally wear like that.
Sometimes cheap is just cheap.
Send it back, I'd ask for a refund, personally.
Yeah, that's not a normal wear pattern. Send it back. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you get the POS. Good luck.
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How the hell do you send something back to PSA? They don't return emails or phone calls. I don't think they have a customer service department.
Why "roll the dice" with them? Unless, it's a "fun gun", why would you gamble with questionable items?
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Chalk it up as a learning experience and buy a quality piece.
Cheap price, cheap parts, cheap results.
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That's a defective bolt carrier. Buy a Colt, BCM or LMT unit and replace that one. It's going to keep doing what it does.
"But the specs are the same as colt!"
Jokes aside, I would expect them to take it back and at least inspect It's sounds like a fault piece to me.
If it was a BCM BCG, one of the mods would have already closed this thread and said you must contact the manufacturer first.
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Outside of ammo, the only hardware I've purchased from PSA was a Premium BCG & Magpul D-60 combo. Had a minor issue with the BCG, which was documented in another thread. It really only needed a new extractor spring, but PSA insisted they replace the whole thing.
It took one phone call. Shipped it and recieved the replacement in about a week. I did sit on hold for 20-30 minutes, but I purposely called them on my ride home from work during rush hour; just in case the hold time was long. So, that didn't really bother me. As far as I know they're a much smaller, veteran owned, operation than their footprint in the market would indicate. So a little bit longer hold is understandable.
All things considered, their CS was excellent. No arguments. Just one call and an entirely new replacement was at my door in a few days time. Again, all I really was expecting was for them to send me a new spring. So, I'd rate that experience as going above and beyond.
I get that everyone's experiences will vary. But that can be said about many companies. I also realize your comment was likely in jest, but they definitely have a CS department.
When this happens it's usually a burr inside the carrier that is causing it. One of our members had it occur with is BM carrier about every 1K rounds or so.
I once had PSA take 3 months to get me a return shipping label for the wrong ammo then sent me.
Why people still buy #$% from them, I don't know.
~ 20 orders with zero issues, all delivered within a week. That's why.
If I took on every negative experience I've read on the internet as my own, there would be no one left to buy from.
At the end of the day, some company's mistakes get a pass while that same mistake made of others are used as a testament to their brand.
The experience of others does hold some relevance, but my own experience is the ultimate decider; besides, I never did like the taste of Kool-Aid.
It's the carrier.
I always cover this in class. I never have to remember to address gas ring life because I can depend on the question coming up. There are ring-eating carriers out there and there's not much to be done about it. The bore that the rings ride in is spec'd out to a 32 micro finish which essentially mans, "hone it. Hone it real good and smooth". The carrier bore machining is even spec'd especially to facilitate the honing operation.
If you wanted a custom-made tool for removing metal from the outside of gas rings, you might take a piece of metal, bore it out and leave it kinda rough, harden it, then chrome plate it. Then you'd take another piece of metal to hold the gas rings say three at t time, in a groove.....
So. Bottom line, some are rough. I believe it's a corner cutting thing and a lot of them showed up after the last panic, like the faceted outside profile in place of a radius (no harm in that one). Save the time it takes to hone and BTW then ya don't have to have the dang machinery for it either. Leave it rougher, and then chrome plate it, and you have just created the perfect gas ring wearer-outer.
These could be honed or stoned out smoother but yes, you'd lose chrome. If I had one that's what I'd do as long as the bore didn't go way oversize. That would depend where it started, I really doubt that more than a half-thou per side would be necessary and even if you wound up 3-4 thou oversized I bet it'd still work.
Test for this by running something back and forth in the bore (I use the firing pin, a couple strokes aren't going to hurt anything). You can hear a roughie go "zzzt, zzzzt" over the turned finish.
In your experience, how many rounds does it take for the carrier to simply polish itsself from use?
15-20k rounds fired in the last thirty years.....I've only had one carrier chew up gas rings.
It was a defective Bushmaster bolt carrier, was about 12 years ago. Chatter marks were visible in the carrier bore.
I could not say. To hazard and answer, it would be very dependent upon where it starts in terms of micro finish. I think a serious ring-eater will not wear in enough. One that is perfect will get better. One that is 20% towards ring-eater roughness might wear itself into compliance to some degree, but-- that bore is file hard plus chrome which is off the Rockwell C scale in hardness. Gas rings are way soft by comparison.
OP ... have you examined the inside of the bolt carrier yet? I'd be interested in how mild/severe any roughness is.
Just re-reading the OP's post, 300 the first time and 500 the second time.... I would say that curve will not continue. When we're beating down sharp edges there is a lo of progress at first but it tapers off.
Same experience here. I was missing parts from a $300 order. I contacted them via email and told them the issue. They sent me a copy of my invoice and told me I received everything. Nope. I actually had to highlight on the invoice to show that I indeed didn't get all my parts. The lack of reading comprehension on their part was astonishing. 2 months roll by and nothing. Contact them again and they said it shipped along with the tracking #. Checked the tracking # and sure enough they did......to the wrong address in Ohio(I don't even live in or close to OH). Another email went out saying that all you had to do was look at my address from the invoice. I corresponded with 6 different customer service people(I'm surprised they have that many). Shorty story long, I got my parts 3 months later.
I've seen some other examples that have worn in successfully in the bolt bore and/or cam pin area and/or rail areas. That definitely does not mean that they are okay to start out with by any means. That's a lot of rounds lost and wear of many items to do so.
Round of applause! You hit the nail on the head. One doesn't have to search far to find similar complaints for every company out there. Yes, some may come up more frequently, but others are excused far more than they should be.
There's a pretty funny one I saw the other day. It wasn't here, but a guy posted that his brand new AR came with a bent charging handle. The company and model in question is one we hear everyday. Four letters, four numbers. Well, the dude has been waiting over two months for a replacement. He's talked to their CS a couple of times, and it's apparent someone is dropping the ball.
The funny part...one response, almost verbatim, "Congrats on the rifle! Don't worry about getting a replacement. Just get an aftermarket CH instead." Lol. Congratulations on your defective rifle, suck it up and just replace the part on your own dime.
Yeah...that would never fly with most other companies.
Not in this current timeframe, but in another one, I've seen shipping and warehouse issues that resulted into time delays not due to the manufacturer that required repair that could not be provided immediately to resolve the issue.
Is that an issue with the manufacturer? Or is it a supply issue? Lots of questions there to look into.
Hey OP, have you tried a McFarland one piece gas ring?
http://www.fulton-armory.com/boltgas...nd1-piece.aspx
or, you could go with the boutique brand:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod68370.aspx
I get it if you want to send the bolt back. Myself, I have a couple of the McFarlands in my box and I'd drop one in to see. My motive would be to get it working reliably, even if it needed the one piece rings.
I also feel the edges of the splits on all the rings I install to make sure there aren't burrs or edges on them.
Good luck!
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Don't waste anymore of your money or most importantly, valuable time dealing with crap like psa. Lesson learned.
Buy a BCM bcg and go spend your time shooting, not sending parts back or waiting for return calls from bottom tier companies.
I understand the frustration of a BCG that does that. If I may offer a bit of advise. I am an Armorer that works on these beautiful rifles we call AR's every week. I get paid to work at the adult shooter's Disneyland. We have approximately 1300 rifles in service with our department. I've seen BCGs from EVERY known company, and some unknown. Please buy yourself a Sionics NP3 coated bolt and BCG. The NP3 is NOT a gimmick, and it's NOT nickel boron. It is different on a molecular level. I run 2 of them. One in my Noveske, and one in my full boat, Sionics Patrol Carbine XL. Yes, I am friends with Iraqgunz, and Josh, the owner of Sionics, but that IS NOT why I recommend them. I recommend them because I've seen the other alternatives. I truly believe in Sionics, and am working on getting them approved for our department. I trust them, and I'd trust my guys with them. Their BCG's and bolts are the real deal.
I second Vegasshooter. I currently own 23 different AR's and just recently bought a Sionics BCG. It is crazy how easy it is to clean. It is now at 922 rounds, and obviously no problems. I remarked to a friend, and fellow shooter, that I was dangerously close to doing something stupid and replacing all my BCG's with the Sionics. I have since bought 2 more. I have not yet dared to use the first one with no lube, but I really do think you could. I also own a few nickel boron BCG's from another manufacturer. They also work fine, but are not nearly the same.
Thanks for the Sionics tip, wasn't aware of this. Sounds like a no brainer upgrade for any rifle.