Battle to the death! CZP10 vs G19g5 vs M&P 2.0 Compact (starts on pg 6)

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Originally Posted by Greg Bell

450 Rounds this week. 300 Blazer Brass, 100 Monarch Steel, 50 Tula Steel.

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1. Zero malfunctions. The gun burned through all this garbage ammo without a hint of drama.

2. The Trigger is a hint better. A little of the minimal chatter in the take-up has gone away. Basically moving from an A trigger to an A+ trigger.

3. The magazine button is a bit better, nothing remarkable. I think most of the folks who say that it loosened up after 500 rounds are really just getting used to the button and making sure to hit it with force.

I left the magazines fully loaded all week to see if it would alleviate the issue with a fully loaded magazine being dificult to eject.

Note: I took a class with Larry Vickers years ago where he advised his students to down load their Glock magazines by one round so that they could be easily seated in the gun during a stress reload. Basically, if you follow this advice with the P10 you will never have the issue with trying to eject a full mag. And again, if you decide you need to eject a fully loaded magazine you just apply a bit of pressure to the magazine base and problem solved. Not a big deal at all..and most of it can be chalked up to people thinking what they are used to is "right." Because people are used to Glocks few people notice how lethargic the mag ejection is on the Glock. I suspect this is because the original gun didn’t even have drop-free mags, and needing to do speed reloads in a gun that holds 17 rounds probably seemed absurd to old man Glock back in 1980. T

4. I did some comparison shooting with my Glock 17. I basically did Bill Drills and 666 drills with both guns using the Glock 17 holster (which fit the CZ fine for these purposes). I noticed that on the first string of 666 (which has a concealed reload) the Glock was faster. But after that, the CZ was faster on every drill. That isn’t bad considering I have been shooting Glocks for 20+ years at this point. That being said, I think it call all be chalked up to the lighter trigger in the CZ (although the modern ergos certainly don’t hurt.



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5. By the way, I haven’t cleaned the gun. I just dropped a little lube on the rails when I first bought it. I haven’t even taken the slide off. My plan is to complete the late great Todd G’s 2000 round challenge before I clean it.
I am going to order a holster for my Xc1 and some night sights now that I know the gun is going to work.

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Looks like you've got yourself a solid pistol.. very nice. Any other updates? I think I'm going to rent one today, compare it to my 19.

All this stuff about mag releases. Every button gun has challenges, fixes, extensions, mods, blah blah. If folks used paddles a la P99 no troubles no mods.

Nothing wrong with the paddle mag releases that I had on my PPQ and VP9 pistols that I used to own, I liked them. But the * factory* button mag releases on my P-10C, Glock Gen 5 and my M&P compact work just fine for me also, I feel no need to modify them at all. I don't feel the least bit hindered by them in anyway. Of coarse YMMV

You mean paddles like the H&K P7M series!

I would love paddles on this gun. Oh yeah, that would just be a vp9

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Originally Posted by Greg Bell

You mean paddles like the H&K P7M series!

I would love paddles on this gun. Oh yeah, that would just be a vp9

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Wouldn't the P10C be a little smaller than the VP9?
Agreed on paddles, I honestly find them to be nicer. And this coming from a man who cut his teeth on a Glock. So.....

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Originally Posted by m4brian

All this stuff about mag releases. Every button gun has challenges, fixes, extensions, mods, blah blah. If folks used paddles a la P99 no troubles no mods.

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Especially considering CZ used a very paddle-like design on the inside (when either mag release button is depressed it basically cams the release to rotate forward), it would be excellent if they at some point made one for the European market that found its way over here. The mags would already be good to go.

My point on the paddles is simply that it is better. Especially the newer HK and the long Walther design. It is ambi by design and in the case of the longer ones, provides max leverage. Many manufacturers have had to change over the years, because typically people's thumbs are not long enough to reach AND have enough leverage. Wait till you push 60 and need advantages. Also - training - you can train out of buttons and into paddles in 5 min. Ask a lefty - use the shooting trigger finger and you're done. While I haven't DUMPED my button guns, I much prefer paddles now - they are just better. My hand stays PERFECTLY positioned for re-engagement while dropping mags.

I am with you, paddles are great. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem likely to catch on.

After owning two P2000sk's, and I still own a USPc .40, the paddles are my preferred mag release. I have never understood why anyone would have a problem with them, it is so easy to drop the mag with my right middle finger.

Roger! Very unfortunate.