Where can I get a spiral fluted 20" barrel like the LWRC barrels? [searched forum and found nothing].
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Where can I get a spiral fluted 20" barrel like the LWRC barrels? [searched forum and found nothing].
LWRC is not popular here.
The better question would be why do you think you need a sprial fluted barrel?
Here's a link to some of the best 20" barrels out there: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/20-Rifle-Barrel-s/37.htm
You may have to locate someone familiar with the process and have them flute the barrel you provide.
I think they are an interesting twist on fluting, pun always intended.
blackhole weaponery has one like that i'm pretty sure
but yea check out www.twistedbarrel.com
Thanks for the links Mist.
I'm thinking of starting a 20" build and I'd like a fluted barrel for weight and I also like the look.
Also, what's the issue with LWRC?
There garbage. The company history is far from ideal. To buy lwrc is the worse decision you can make. You can buy 2 colt's for the price of one lwrc.
I just like their spiral fluted barrels. Their rifles aren't cheap; I assumed they were good. Any statistics/ examples to back this up? I have a BCM upper & spikes lower and a coworker sneered at this and told me about his piston LWRC present to himself after getting out of the army.
B&M Gunworks http://www.bmgunworks.com out of Madera Ca makes all kinds of spiral fluted barrels. They have been making barrels for several other companies that are sold under those companies’ names. I just picked up a custom barrel from them and I am very happy with the end product. To see some of their work check out the barrels used by Houlding Precision Firearms web page. https://houldingprecisionfirearms.co...om_Rifles.html Both companied are have lots of pictures on their facebook pages.
I recommend B&M based on my personal experience with this company.
When i started doing research into the AR family i bought into the piston superiority. I could not afford the piston at the time so i got an lmt. For a second AR I was going to get a pof, but i could not find one locally. Then a shop in town started carrying lwrc. Without doing any in depth research all i read was from the fan boys that claimed they were the best you can get. Not being an educated consumer i bought into the superiority of the lwrc piston system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusty783
So i got my new 2000+ dollar rifle home cleaned, and lubed it went outside to put some rounds through it. Just checking function. Fired about 25-30 rounds i was having all kinds of problems. It would fail to eject. Once cleared it would not go fully into battery. I would also have the fired case still in the chamber as it tried to feed the next round. I could not get through a magazine, and in California that is only ten rounds. So i quit. i had some buddies coming over in a couple days to shoot. They both were far more experienced than i was at the time.
Its finally the weekend, and my buddies show up. I told them about the problems. The first thing they did was look over the manual ( they were unsure how the piston system worked) to make sure the piston assembly was put back together correctly. Everything was fine. They said it could use more lube. I told them about the coating on the bolt, they both said it was worthless. They told me run it wet.
After they re assembled it we went out to shoot. They used there magazines That were known to be good. The same problems kept happening ftf/fte and the problem where it would try to feed a new round while the fired case was still partially in the chamber.
We tried to see how it would group between malfunctions. At this point i was so frustrated i let my buddy that was a better shot take over to shoot the groups. At 50 yards groups were 4-5 inches at best. I asked my other buddy that is not as good of a shot to try. He got the same results maybe a little worse.
At this point i was beyond pissed. Monday morning I called lwrc and the shop i bought it at. Lwrc told me i needed to ship it to them so they could see what was going on. I told the buy on the phone that i could not trust the weapon and that i was going to return it to the shop where i purchased it. I returned it and got a second lmt.
I understand that this is a sample of one, but that experience made me want to learn everything i could about the platform. With more research i found more people with problems, and that there company history is far from good. I know there are some high end trainers that have more experience with the platform then i could ever dream of that say they are GTG. one that comes to mind is Mr. Vickers, but it is not his first recommendation for a piston system. My earlier comment about the lwrc fanboys was not aimed at Mr. Vickers or any of the professional trainers who objectively recommend lwrc. It was meant for the fanboys who think if its not lwrc it trash. Those are the dick riding fags i was speaking of.
I'm not really a fan of lwrc but I've heard they've fixed the initial problems with their system, I have no personal experience though...
Which set of initial problems? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan46n2
It's not so much their bad guns... it's their lies and astroturfing of the forums.
I actually haven't seen much of their employees posting on the forums lately.
Regardless of the problems being fixed there price is not justifiable for what you get. You still hear of the problems out of the box. They may not be as frequent, but at this point to not have there system 100% is a joke. Then the icing on the cake is they do a DGI 300 blk. If their piston system is what they claim. Why would they produce a DGI gun.
Lwrc is a joke. In a lot of articles relating to any mil solicitations they supply a system for testing they always seem to choke.
I can understand your objections. It's somewhat normal to have quality problems with a new product and rifles are no different. You'd think that the prototype and manufacturing build up process would identify all of the bugs, but it doesn't and things always pop up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jstone
However, if they were at all familiar with the market place they dove into, LWRC should have given you a label or 2nd day sent you a box to send their rifle in to get it checked out. Quality and reliability are implied when you buy something that's at the higher end of it's price bracket. And no company wants to enter a new market with a thud of quality problems and returns.
There's no excuse for whitewashing their discussion forums.
Some folks like piston guns, some like DGI. But to dive into a 2nd system without getting your first running like a sewing machine is just greedy, lazy, and disingenuous.
Now I don't feel so bad about getting mocked for my ubr stock, grip, mbus' and rail covers... Honestly, I had a moment of frugality when I was collecting parts and decided to buy all these from Magpul to save on shipping...:blink:
Spiral fluted barrels are...interesting to look at. I could they are expensive to have done, and depending on the handguard you have, the majority could be covered up. Good luck, some of the barrel sites have a shitton more fluting patterns to offer. Don't settle on one too quick without looking at the rest.
Having a barrell fluted can also degrade accuracy in some cases, something to keep in mind.
I don't whitewash the forum with negative views of lwrc. This is the first time(in this thread) since joining that i have said anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusty783
They were going to send a return label. I politely stated it would not be needed, because i could not trust a weapon after my experience. The shop i bought it at already said they would take it back and deal with the manufacturer. I asked the shop owner about it a couple months later. He said it had now been back three time and was still exhibiting the same problems. He said it would group better, but still choked constantly. He told me that he asked for a credit on his account since they could not fix it. They said they would so he sent it back. He no longer stocks lwrc.
double :/
OP, you may want to look into dimpling also. You didnt ask, but I'm not sure if you've seen it. Going off the top of my head from previous posts, its more expensive, but results in a lighter barrel with better strength/rigidity ratio. This is with respect to standard fluting. I dont know how it compares to spiral fluting.
That said, it may not have the look you want, if you're going for that.
J,
I was referring to LWRC whitewashing negative info from their forums. I can understand companies not wanting negative info on their own forums, but that's a risk you run hosting.
Mega,
I've seen some dimpled barrels also. I'm just thinking about starting a 20" build and I like the industrial/drill bit look of the LWRC barrels. I've seen some other spiral fluted barrels but the flutes don't seem as aggressive. All the dimpled barrels I've seen make me think of a golfball...:sarcastic:
I think a fluted barrel would be a nice look, but since most of the barrel is hidden behind the handguard, you won't be able to see a lot of the effect anyway.
I see what your saying. They seem to be pretty good at hiding any of their problems online. If you Google them you have to go pretty deep to get past the fanboys info.
There is also a fluting called chain link that looks pretty cool as well. It is what is used on the new colt competition rifles.
Spiral fluting- That means the barrel can be rifled on the outside too. I wonder if it makes a difference in accuracy if both twists are going in the same direction and if 1:7 spiral fluting will stabilize longer handguards better than 1:9?