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S&W has started posting teaser pics of a new M&P on their facebook page.
Here's the first one:
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Second teaser:
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http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/...98658767_n.jpg
Final Pic:
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deeper cut cocking serrations???Quote:
Originally Posted by outrider627
Some type of compact?
The slide stop looks far back on the frame.
The elusive single stack 9mm? Or a copy of the new XDs, a super small 45
S&W removed the pic after 12 minutes. They'll be posting another one tomorrow.
Maybe its a m&p that does not have accuracy issues at 25yds.......
Every time I hear of this I assume a Bigger Bodyguard in 9mm with M&P styling.
Maybe a better stock trigger?
Maybe someone at S&W bought a PPQ and took note of the trigger?
Hey...we can dream...right? LOL
- brickboy240
Wasn't what ever this thing is supposed to be announced already?
Isn't that where the safety usually is, but there is nothing connecting it to the safety pivot pin?
could be me or the pic but the rear sight looks moved foreward??
A factory RMR-ready model would be cool. Assuming the sight is actually forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guns-up.50
Honestly I'd be happy with one that could hit the broad side of a barn and didn't require a hundred dollar trigger upgrade.
Those have been in production for multiple years nowQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookyPistolero
I'd be willing to try another, but the one I had a year or so ago certainly fell into both those categories.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR
Maybe someone will leave one a coffee shop by mistake before the 12th.
Oh please be single stack compact 9.
These would make me consider buying another one of them. My wife loves her 9mm, and in all honesty neither of use have experienced any accuracy issues. It's not a bullseye gun, but then maybe we just suck as shooters :). I did get a trigger job out of the chute though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyPistolero
I'm betting on a sub compact M&P 9mm/40. Been told that the prototype has existed for a while.
We'll know for sure on the 12th.
I would bet it's something to compete with the Ruger LC9 and that hole is one of those gun lock things CA requires.
I've been using M&Ps at work for a few years now and have had personal ones before we adopted them at work. IME, the guns with accuracy issues tend to be due to the loose nut behind the trigger and nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyPistolero
As far as triggers go; the first run of 45s had horrible triggers but the other guns had decent triggers on them. Yeah, the reset is faint, but that is easily fixed by shooting the gun and learning the reset point.
am I the only one that still wants a 10mm?
If it is a single stack 9mm I hope they make a model without the internal lock, magazine disconnect, magazine safety and mechanical LCI. If so Ill consider it. If not I'm betting a Kahr is in my future.
It is very likely the rumored single stack 9mm. I heard from a a friend at DeSantis Gunhide that they have been sent one so the can get started on a holster for it. He couldn't go into detail, but apparently it's going to really be something special. He compared it to the Ruger LC9 and Kahr, but much better he said. He said this will be just what we have all been waiting for.......lets hope so.
Oh please let it be a single stack 9!! My skinny ass has trouble consealing anything in The summer if it isn't at apendex iwb lol
That something already exists, the Walther PPS :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck_B
I still think it's going to be some type of NiB finish for their product line. Companies like to stick with name themes when they have pat. and trademarks. They already have something called Frog SHIELD or something.
at our store we currently stock FS M&P 9mm and 40 SW in nickel boronQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolvee
I've tried to like S&W and have had several new revolvers and M&P pistols over the years, most were sent back to service for one problem or another. Had a bodyguard revolver where the internal lock crumbled to pieces and locked up the gun. M&P with a bad rear sight, another with rust in the striker channel. A 642 had the barrel split after the first trip to the range. All were new guns. Their service is great cause it has to be!
Of all the firearms I've bought, Smith is the only make I've had to return for service.
Sorry to hear. Sounds like a lot of bad luck. I have never had a problem with any of my S&Ws.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigkracka
It's obviously a warning! The Glock design team who came up with the Gen 4, who were subsequently run off, were hired by S&W to make similar "improvements" to the M&P...
From the art work across all the pages and the video of mass appeal it seems like it going to be something other than just a new pistol.
Like the Apple experience.. .The S&W experience.
Maybe it's a line of cheap chinese shit with SW branding....oh wait...they've already done that.
Second teaser has been posted. I'll add it to the first post.
The slide stop in the teaser pic is definitely further to the rear of the slide than the current offerings. Looks like Sig placement above the thumb knuckle.
1) Might be helpful for those who rest their thumbs on the slide stop and accidentally prevent the slide from locking back, but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Kulbick
2) Looks pretty inconveniently placed (having never handled the gun myself).
After reading through the M&P Accuracy Issues thread, I kind of wondered that as well. Only because I didn't see many examples of a ransom rest being used. I can't shoot well enough at 25 yards to blame the gun. I think a rest has to be used before blaming the platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR
However, I do think the issue exists. It seems SW replaces some barrels and slides and others they just send back. I think it just may be a case where everyone thinks their gun is affected when they hear about the issues and then don't shoot tight groups at 25 yards. While working at 25 yards, I've found my brain wanting to blame the M&P occasionally, but I know deep down it's poor operator performance. It doesn't help that I group slightly worse with my Glocks. :-)
There are a few people who fired an M&P 9 side-by-side with a Glock 17/19 and demonstrated better precision with the Glock.
That's still not as scientific as a ransom rest, since you're still dealing with a human holding a gun pulling a trigger, but it's another data point.
I'm pretty sure Randy Lee has proved otherwise, and I believe he used a ransom rest..The fact is, some FS9's have a accuracy problem that's due to it unlocking early, others don't, I have one that does, My .45 mid, will shoot rings around it at 25yds, offhand, so will my PPQ, so, I doubt it's always the loose nut behind the trigger..Quote:
Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR
While you may have experienced good accuracy with your M&P 9 pistols, as regards current production M&P 9 pistols, getting one that will shoot multiple loads under four inches at 25 yards, to the same POI, is the exception. That is based on a sample of over ten new 9mm pistols shot at 25 yards over the last year. In each instance, I used other pistols, Glock and HK, to shoot reference groups and confirm it was the MP pistols and not the shooter or ammo. My experience is not an outlier, based on others also testing the pistols, and getting similar results. Obviously S&W understands the pistols have problems, as they replaced the slide or barrel on four pistols I recently returned to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR
Until such time as S&W really fixes the problem, or Randy Lee releases his barrels, all my 9mm M&P pistols are in a box. It is a shame, because S&W had the first new pistol with so much right, and the obvious opportunity to equal or displace a Glock, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, by their inability to consistently produce these pistols with accuracy a serious shooter expects in this class of pistol.
[QUOTE=GJM;1276489]While you may have experienced good accuracy with your M&P 9 pistols, as regards current production M&P 9 pistols, getting one that will shoot multiple loads under four inches at 25 yards, to the same POI, is the exception. That is based on a sample of over ten new 9mm pistols shot at 25 yards over the last year. In each instance, I used other pistols, Glock and HK, to shoot reference groups and confirm it was the MP pistols and not the shooter or ammo. My experience is not an outlier, based on others also testing the pistols, and getting similar results. Obviously S&W understands the pistols have problems, as they replaced the slide or barrel on four pistols I recently returned to them.
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+1. Almost identical experience here, with about the same sample size. I love the pistol, but its been an extremely frustrating experience. Especially to go to any random Glock 19 (including ones with the NY1 trigger) and shoot groups 1/2 the size of my nice "Apexed" out M&Ps. Most of my competitive buddies that have dabbled in M&P9s have the same experience. Conversely, the M&P45s have shot like lasers....for the same shooters.
The first pic at least peeks my interest a bit, you can see something is different. The second pic is what, the grip?
If SW is following the Apple model, here's hoping the last part of the presentation starts with "Oh, one more thing....."