You are in charge of US Domestic Policy - what is your solution to urban poverty?

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Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon

TRILLIONS in wealth transferred in the 50+ year long "War on Poverty," & we have MORE poor people than ever.

Would it be considered "impolite," to ask what our, "exit strategy," on this war might be? :eek:

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There basic problem is there is no way to punish the offender without punishing the innocent.

Asshole shitbags keep having more and more children because each one is an additional "benefit." If you scale back anything, the "benefits" will be the only ones who suffer because asshole shitbags don't care about their kids and will always cover their own ass first.

The problem is once you start to pay people to have more children than they can provide for, you can't really get off that road without a hell of a lot of collateral damage. As a tax payer I honestly don't want to pay a nickel of that shit, but as a human being I'd hate to make the lives of those kids even more horrible, their lives are pretty much a disaster from day one.

There is this idea that if we just make people self reliant, problem is I know lots of those self reliant people who qualify for all kinds of assistance and don't take any of it. They are poor as shit and struggle from month to month and work their ass off to pay rent and feed themselves.

Then there are the rest, those who are looking for a system to provide for them. And no matter what, those people won't do shit to take care of anyone other than themselves. Give them a job, they won't go or if they show up they won't do much of any benefit. Give them a house and they will shit it up. They will never be self reliant even if you showed them how to do so and gave them everything they need to be self reliant.

Unfortunately, as a society, we will always suffer the lowest common denominator no matter what we do. There are actually people who blame society for their situation and seek to punish everyone else in a race to the bottom of the crab bucket.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

I'm down with this as well, but know from mentioning it in mixed company - male/female, conservative/liberal - you get blow back from all over, including folks you'd think would be okay with it.

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Our good friends on the left would decry "evil Nazi eugenics!" even though they not only embrace but publicly praise in the year 2017 Margaret Sanger. The very person the Nazi's got their eugenics program from.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a baby on medicaid we either pay for an IUD to get placed, an implant, or a reversible - at your expense - tubal litigation. No oral contraceptives, too easy to say oops!

One of the answer to the childcare dilemma is to have a different level for means tested benefit for parents with children. Especially with single moms, about the time they start to get on their feet and make enough money to get by, they reach the threshold for income and bang! benefits go away, can't afford to pay the child care. Better to pay them a little longer until they are firmly on their feet IMHO.

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"On average, U.S. hospital deliveries cost $3,500 per stay, according to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Healthcare Cost and Utilization Project. Add in prenatal, delivery-related and post-partum healthcare, and you're looking at an $8,802 tab, according to a Thomson Healthcare study for March of Dimes."

I would say the above figures published by parenting.com sound about right. Even with insurance we paid a big chunk of a three day stay after delivery (we left the morning of the third day but they don't pro-rate :cool: ).

Of course the above figure does not account for the cost of a child until they are 18 and "responsible for themselves"; education, housing, food, medical care, clothing, et al.




Not directed at 26 Inf, but I saw a lot of posts mentioning education. No amount of education reform will ever fix this . . .

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Who has 15 kids, that's a legit basketball team....who does that? We had 3 kids and I thought that was crazy.

NYH1.

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Originally Posted by NYH1

Who has 15 kids, that's a legit basketball team....who does that? We had 3 kids and I thought that was crazy.

NYH1.

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The answer is "people who assume no responsibility for their spawn". :(

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Originally Posted by NYH1

Who has 15 kids, that's a legit basketball team....who does that? We had 3 kids and I thought that was crazy.

NYH1.

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No. We have 6. THAT'S a basketball team with one coming off the bench. That she has is a starting football offense plus three in reserve.

Most folks will have fewer than 15 grandchildren and the way things are going possibly not that many great grandchildren!

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You can't "fix" people who are determined to remain impoverished and ignorant.
We've tried that.
Cradle to grave safety nets encourage less personal responsibility and more programs with more safety nets.
So much so that now we provide such attractive programs and safety nets that people come here illegally from foreign countries to receive them .

This is by design and the bigger picture is what we are seeing happening now to all Western Civilization and European centrist nations. The design is to erase the more independent and conservative voting class in order to replace it with one that is government dependent- all by careful use of taxation aimed at destroying the middle class.

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Originally Posted by 7n6

This is by design and the bigger picture is what we are seeing happening now to all Western Civilization and European centrist nations. The design is to erase the more independent and conservative voting class in order to replace it with one that is government dependent- all by careful use of taxation aimed at destroying the middle class.

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So you think she signed on to have 15 kids to erase the more independent and conservative voting class in order to replace it with one that is government dependent.

Interesting. I think you are giving her more credit than she is due.

Agreed. Sometimes a THOT is just a THOT.

De-incentivize it and let people starve like in the depression and/or resort to cannibalism. It puts that sex drive into a nosedive

#NoMoreMoneyForTHOTs
#IDontPayForStrange