If they can keep the weight down I might have to ditch my DD rails for these.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...il-you-betcha/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4_YOswsqA
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If they can keep the weight down I might have to ditch my DD rails for these.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...il-you-betcha/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4_YOswsqA
Yes it's quite nice.
Bill Geissele is a mechanical genius, and wouldn't be coming out with a rail system if it was significantly different than the current players in that market like DD, Troy, Centurion, Larue, etc.
I think the larger barrel nut is a very nice feature that will allow for more contact area with the rail, and by extension this will yield more rigidity, and should also help with heat dissipation.
I have good faith in anything Bill makes, but I don't know that I'd be ditching anything for anything.
But then I'm still using my DD M4 rail on the same gun for the last 5+ years.
From the videos of the Geissele handguard he mentions not having to line up the gas tube notches, which in and of itself is great.
The fact that the Geissele rail got a mil. contract over other more well known rail manufacturers like KAC or DD says a lot. If anyone who is at SHOT gets a chance to handle these let us know.
The one thing I haven't seen about this rail is anti-rotation. He(Bill G.) mentioned the production version will have teeth that engage the barrel nut, but I don't see that as an anti-rotation measure.
Is the bottom rail removable?
I see the top rail is not taken to the extreme end which is also a negative.
No, it's one piece.
Already decided I'm swapping to this geisselle rail on my precision .223 ar. The Geisselle looks to be a more comfortable sturdy option than my current setup, and I love the way it looks.
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Originally Posted by IrishDevil
Then I fail to see what this brings to the table over previous offerings.
What did they get a contract for?Quote:
Originally Posted by vicious_cb
For once, Scott and I agree. What's so great about this rail other than the name attached to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottryan
The contract was for a 416 rail, they developed the M4 rail at the same time.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishDevil
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That's a great looking rail. If I was in the market for a new one, I would strongly consider it. I certainly don't see it replacing my VTAC TRX Extreme rails any time soon, unless they prove to be unreliable.
The interface looks like the Spuhr Interface, but it might just be the picture.
Oops, checked the video; I was wrong.
Bill did a great job with this rail. The ONLY thing I'll say is that it requires a new barrel nut.
With that in mind the Daniel Defense rail is totally drop in, and is so low profile and light it makes the normally boat-anchor-heavy 416 feel like a modern featherweight SBR.
ETA these comments are in regards to the 416 rail!
I don't know, it has some nice features. I like the built in QD socket and the steel inserts for rail attachments. It's jumping on the bandwagon of removable rail sections, which is also nice. Like the others, I wouldn't dump any of my current forends for it, but depending on weight, I'd probably try one for a future build if it fit the specs I needed.
For the M27 IAR or simply others being issued throughout the inventory?Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishDevil
Bill G. says that SOCOM approached them for the 416 rail, so I'm guessing that doesn't include the M27.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZGXtreme
The 416 rail uses the standard HK barrel nut. The M4 rail uses the proprietary barrel nutQuote:
Originally Posted by Titleist
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You're right, I was told the wrong thing at the booth and during the AAC Big Bang shoot. The 416 is drop in.
Smart design always wins. Congrats to Bill and his team on another one. That's a sweet and very well thought-out rail.
It's a nice rail, made in black, FDE and a dark green. The bottom rail and side rails come with it and are removeable. The barrel nut is steel and about 3" long and locks up with two steel bolts very solidly. IIRC he's offering this in 10"-15" in 1" increments. It's not the lightest rail but very nice. I picked up 2 ACT triggers from him to these are USGI triggers which are are really nice these come with Geissele pins and have a Nickel-Boron finish and give about 5lb very smooth single stage pull. Bill G has a few of these there with 50K+ dryfires on them.
I'm in the process of narrowing down items for a 14.5 complete rifle, I was set on the Apex tube, but I'll definately be watching for info on this system.
DD did a 416 rail? Any pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Titleist
Anything is better than the stock 416 rail, ugh.
Geissele rail looks like a winner, I will definitely be picking one of those up.
I'm excited for this rail, as well as the new Noveske and Midwest Industries rail.
It's going to be hard to choose between the three. Hopefully someone makes a review that compares the specs of all 3.
New Noveske rail:
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum...ske-s-New-Rail
New Midwest rail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q68bw4L0EU
I really liked the Geissele rail I looked at in their booth. Very solid and one little thing they did I really like is the rail sections screw right in to the rail similar to the LaRue slick rail. No T nuts or anything like that. Be interesting to see when they are actually available and the price point.
I'm pretty sure in the video he said around $325 in the Spring. Lengths will be every inch.
Thats one thing that tilts the shit out of me about the show and about the firearms industry in general:Quote:
Originally Posted by tb-av
Me: "When can I buy them?"
Anyone with something cool: "Later in the year. Probably. If we get caught up."
I'm in the market for a rail of that style for my 6920 duty rifle, but $325 is probably going to be too much. I'll probably have to settle for a VTAC or maybe the new Midwest model.Quote:
Originally Posted by tb-av
I recognize that you get what you pay for and the Geissele looks like a winner, but unless it is discounted I won't be able to justify the difference.
looks great, but I feel like it would have to be a little cheaper to rock any boats
Probably plenty other good options for M4, but so far it's only non-OFM option for HK (if not counting vaporware from Remington Defense). It probably will not be lighter than HK rail, but looks way more comfortable.
Looks like it's very well thought out..I'm impressed with the barrel nut.I hope they do well with it..
The Geissele rail looks fantastic. I just went back and forth between the Geissele rail and the new Daniel Defense MFR, and I'd have to go with the Geissele.
Now... if DD had made the MFR with the bolt-up system on their Lite rails, I might reconsider.
Teeth on the barrel nut is not an anti-rotation device. I'm surprised that one of the multiple techniques available for this feature are not used here. Hopefully Geissele will use some tabs to index on the upper receiver, a la MFR, on the production version.
It's made to handle some serious weight pulling on it so worrying about rotation might be a bit premature.
There are several photos of it on BookFace, but here's one from Daniel Defense page [it's the tubular handguard in the middle]:Quote:
Originally Posted by RustedAce
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7591540_n.jpg
Does anyone have the dimensions on this bad boy?
Looks like another nice option for the slick rail lovers. I'm more excited to finally know how to pronounce Geissele though...