Yeh, I used the search function and came up with nothing.
Anyone using the Nikon P223 in 3x9?
Second question is will any of our sponsors match prices found on the web???
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Yeh, I used the search function and came up with nothing.
Anyone using the Nikon P223 in 3x9?
Second question is will any of our sponsors match prices found on the web???
While I haven't put any rounds under this scope I have looked it over pretty good at Shot and recently put 2 on a pair of Smith 22LR's for a Nikon Shoot. All I've heard are good things. They have literally flown off shelves so finding one can be tough. I'd say if you find a good price, buy it, as it may not be around tomorrow. The 3x Carbine scope has also been huge with many guys looking for a nice hog hunting rig. A buddy uses one for 3-gun matches and likes it because he can shoot with both eye's open.
Wish I had more info for you, would love to answer any question's you might have.
Bart
Nikon Pro Staff
I've had this scope mounted for the last month and finally had the chance this past week to zero it. Initially zeroed it at 50 then took it out to 100 with no problems. The open turrets don't bother me and had a good feel IMO. I don't have any pics of grouping but I'm not the best shot anyway. I had the chance to test the BDC reticle out to 200 hitting steel plates as that's the limits of the range and it was pretty accurate using 55gr PMC ammo. The glass is clear and eye relief is alright being able to shoot with both eyes open. The only thing I've noticed is the reticles gets washed out in any type of dim light.
I have the m223 in 3X12 42mm and was having the same issue, I started messing with the primary focus and it made the reticles more visible. Mess with the focus in the low light, it will all of a sudden appear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papergundam
Bart,
It looks like the M223 scopes have been out for a couple of years and the P 223 came out last year.
The M223 cost nearly twice as much.
But I noticed at several places the M223 has 95% light transmision, and the P223 has 98%.
Is that true???
Getting my P223 tomorrow, sweet.
I've had the M223 for a while now and it's great just wish the turrets locked as I've knocked them off zero a few times. If your using it for hunting I wouldn't have a problem, but if your intending on any sort of HD or SHTF I'd go with the more expensive scopes with locking turrets
Yes Lead, The PROSTAFF Series does have slightly better light transmission. The real difference is in the glass coating's . That is where Nikon really shines and the quality comes through. Obviously the M-Series is built on the MONARCH platform.
I have used the M-223 Scopes a lot and own all of them. Big fun for long range shooting and very accurate. The 2-8's and 3-12's I own have all pinged steel at 600 yards. Even guys new to AR's have used my scopes and come away mouth's open from successful shots.
Let me know how you like your P-223 Scope. They have been selling very well and I have been hearing nothing but good reports.
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P223 review? Yeah, I've got one. It's not good.
I got the 3X because I thought it would make a handy scope for a fairly close range .223 coyote rifle.
That was May 10.
It broke by May 11.
I shot forty rounds of .223. The scope's insides came loose and started rattling around.
I returned it to Nikon. Two weeks later I got a copy of the repair order in the mail. Checking the status online, I see the action is "replace product".
Still waiting on that.
Phone calls and emails to Nikon have one got me nothing. The last response was six days ago saying he would check for an ETA of my scope. Nothing since. Two more emails from me have gone unanswered.
Yes it's a $150 scope. I had low expectations, but thought the company had a good rep and gave it a chance. I still didn't expect a lot for that money, but I did expect more than a 20 hour lifespan and 40 rounds.
I also expected that when I saw "replace", I would see a replacement within a month.
To make me even less pleased, when I saw it was to be replaced, I thought it over and decided to ask something. Since I knew I'd have little faith in any replacement, and since they had to send a different scope, I called and asked if I could get a scope from one of their higher up lines and I'd pay the difference in retail price. She checked: No.
I thought about that. I run a small manufacturing business in the garage, and if something I made lasted less than a day and the owner called asking to spend more money on another product of mine, I would have jumped on it.
I sent an email saying basically that. I got a response saying they don't do trades. They acted like I was some jerk who had owned a Nikon scope for twenty years and had the gall to ask to swap even for a new one.
So there is my review. Bought one, it lasted only hours, I sent it back, and they were going to replace it a month ago. It has been in their possession over 30 times as long as it was in mine. If that sounds good to anyone, go ahead, but I am done with Nikon.
I don't know where or how Nikon got 98% light transmission for the P223 vs. 95% for the M223 as the Prostaff line uses lower quality glass and coatings compared to the Monarch series. There are many factors contributing to the P series lower prices and the lower quality glass is the most significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by bman940
Take a look at the non-223 series specs, i.e., Monarch scopes show light transmission specs of 95% and the Prostaff series is listed at 92%.
Note: Nikon may be using light transmission specs that contain a spectrum that is not noticeable by the human eye, but the discrepancy for the P223 vs. the Prostaff lead me to believe this is suspect.
I've run ~2,000 rounds through my AR since purchasing the P223 3-9x40 with the M223 mount and have no complaints. I think it's a good scope for the money.
BTW, if you get it and want to purchase lens covers (which I did) I'd suggest Buttler Creek. The correct size for this scope is 19-20 eye and 30-31 objective.
I have about 500 rounds through my 223 wylde upper using the Nikon P223 scope and the M223 mount with 20 moa. In fact got my first sub MOA 5 shot group EVER using this. First three shots were 3/8inch then the next two stretched the group to 0.75 inches.
Until laser eye surgery in 2001 I was 20/800, couldn't see the big E without contacts.
So I shot shotgun and handguns.
This Nikon P223 is absolutely a GREAT scope for the money. I just will never buy a $1000 to $2000 scope, too old and not a great shot. Yeh I can afford it, have three Mercedes and a Bentley to play with.
Now if Nikon would build a P223 with 3-18 power I would buy one instantly. I need that high power to shoot 500 yards.
Just got back from the range, shot 150 rounds through my Walther P1, another 150 rounds through my 1911 in 38 Super, and another 100 rounds from my Beretta Neos 22 with 6 inch barrel setting it up for my 9 1/2 year old grandson. Put 10 rounds through a dime at 7 yards is perfect for a young man to learn on. Also got a tricked out Ruger 10/22 for him to have FUN with. Going to be a great summer teaching guns and gun safety with him.
Heck I am hoping he will want to shoot my AR15, with 40 grain bullets, the H2 buffer and Mako recoil reducing stock, he should not fear the recoil. The noise is another thing though.
I just got my P223 scope situation resolved today after six weeks. It failed the first day after 40 rounds through the Colt 6920 it was on.
It lasted less than a day, before looking like this:
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In the six weeks they had it, I got one response to all of my emails checking on it before this week. That was from a guy saying he was checking the ETA for me...13 days ago. I never heard from him or his department again. They heard from me.
The other answer came this week when I contacted Nikon world HQ in Japan to tell them their US section dropped the ball. And that reply came from their USA HQ in New York, not the Svc Dept. I still haven't got an answer from the Svc Dept.
Actually, I still don't have my P223. They resolved the problem by sending an M223.
Great scope for the money? Mine lasted for an hour's use, they had it six weeks, and replaced it with another model. I wouldn't give 25 cents for another.
Barry, Sorry I didn't see your post earlier to offer my help. Lots of traveling this month. I certainly understand your frustration with the length of time to get resolution. I am sure the long wait was because Nikon did not have nay in stock to send you. I do think it was pretty decent of the guys to send you a scope M-223 scope to replace your broken P-223.
Again,sorry for your problems.
Brasse, thanks for passing along your experiences with the P-223 Scope. Honestly, the post by Barry was the first time I have heard of a P-223 Scope going bad. Of course when it happens to you we all want things taken care of quicky and correctly.
Bart
Nikon Pro Staff
bman940- I appreciate you stepping up for Nikon, but I only know what I experienced. While I've not seen them with my own eyes, I've read/heard some things about the 3X version that match mine, although the 3-9X seems fine and I know two happy owners of those.
I wanted it to be OK. I've had a set of Nikon Travelite binoculars for 20 years that I love. My wife would like another pair of binoculars and I was thinking Nikon, and we seem to buy one camera per year for someone in the family, but I won't buy another Nikon product at all now. They lost a fair amount of business from me alone.
Yes, they upgraded scopes for me, but it was too late. It never should have gotten anywhere near this point.
I just wanted to know what was going on. One answer from them would have helped.
If they had no replacement scope to ship me, which is what I suspected at first, I could have understood. There are a lot of things I could have understood better.
But I couldn't find out anything, and that was frustrating and unacceptable.
Calling them would have been better I'm sure, but due to differences in time zones, their work hours were about the worst time of day for me to call anyone. I did get them called twice, and the best thing I got was "I'll have to check with someone else". I mostly used their email and the email-like system of the Service and Support site where you communicate using the service order number. I got one response to seven of those messages I sent. One. That was an "I'll check on it". That was June 8- two weeks ago tomorrow. I never heard from him again.
If you want the SO# to verify any of this, send a pm and I'll give it to you. I'm not offering that to be a jerk, but to maybe keep it from happening again to someone else. I'm glad they sent me the M-223 because maybe that will cause someone in Nikon to take a look at how this went. There are a lot of things that could have been helped here.
Had the scope lasted longer before failing, it would have been better.
Had I received any answer to my questions, it would have been better.
Had I not had to go all the way up to the company's world headquarters to get a single useful reply, it would have been better. I didn't even get an "I'm sorry this happened" until that response.
I had the scope one day. They had it over 40 times that long before I even got a "sorry pal". Slipped in the new scope's box was a $10 gift card for the Nikon Store. It expired May 1, which I thought was fitting.
In contrast to my Nikon experience:
During this time, I bought a used Leupold Prismatic. The seller lost the spacers that get it to AR height, so I called Leupold to order a set of them. In five days, including a weekend, they arrived free of charge. Not their problem at all, but they took care of it anyway.
I also ordered a Larue mount for the Prismatic. Since it uses the Leupold spacers, it's basically the QD base with two holes, making it probably the cheapest mount Larue makes. That little $79 item came in a box with over $50 worth of goodies.
With this happening as I tried to get my one-day-wonder scope back from Nikon, or a replacement, or find out why not, how does Nikon look in comparison?
As I mentioned, my P223 has met my expectations through 2k rounds.
However, if something should go wrong with it, the fact that Nikon was willing to send you a new M223 that cost 2x more makes me feel even better about my purchase.
On the surface, that does sound nice, I agree. I ended up with a $300 scope for a $152 initial investment.
But I would much rather still be using the first one than have to go through the aggravation that followed it's failure.
I didn't buy the P-223 to parlay it into a more expensive model. I bought it to use.
It's not like they took a look at my P-223 and sent an M-223 out of kindness and generosity. I had to call and email for weeks with no response, and finally go to Nikon World HQ. The longer I went without a response the farther up the chain I went and louder I got.
All I asked for was my scope, or a replacement just like it, or my money back.
That is, except for the first time. The first time I talked to a real person there, it was to offer to pay the retail difference to get the M-223. I was only trying to get an M-223 for two reasons:
The first was that with my P-223 lasting a few hours, I had no faith in another just like it.
The other reason was that when I saw on Service's site that the decision to replace had been made well before, I thought they might not have any P-223s so I made that offer to get what I thought was the closest Nikon model to it. A direct retail sale should have sounded like music to their ears, and would have ended it all at that point.
But they refused, and let me know they didn't take old scopes in on trade. This told me they had no idea what was going on. That was the last I thought they didn't have any P-223s to replace it with. After that, I made the logical assumption it was not replaced because they were inept, based on this exchange and getting only one more (not helpful) response in the next few weeks. I don't know what else I was to think there.
So yes, they sent me another scope from the next line.
But they did it after my scope crapped out the first day used, after ignoring my questions for weeks, after I tried to settle it myself by buying that same model at the start, and only after me going to corporate headquarters over a little $150 scope.
Again: I'd rather have had the first scope and never had to deal with them all that time. I didn't get that choice.
The gentleman from Nikon in NY who responded after my contacting Japan was courteous and (I assume) responsible for getting me the M-223. I appreciate that. Yet, it doesn't change what happened.
The original post was a request for P-223 reviews. There is mine. If this sounds good to anyone, have at it.
Barry,I am considering the m223.How do you like the new one ?
The only thing that bothers me is, you have to use their mount,it's 20 moa.Can't use a LaRue QD.
I want to switch back and forth between the eotech and the scope.
What say you?
Thanks....
I can't say much about it because I haven't done much beyond opening the box and verifying there was a scope in there. A couple of looks across the yard is the most use it's seen.
I gave up on Nikon and got another optic for that rifle, so it won't be going on it.
Mine is the 1-4X with Point Blank reticle instead of the BDC, so a 20 MOA mount is not a factor there.
That center dot on the Point Blank is larger than it looked (to me) in pictures. The website says 3MOA at 4X, and it probably is, but it seems bigger to me. It must be a tricky optics thing, because to me it looks at least as big as a 4 MOA Aimpoint dot, but I doubt it is.
The thing that grabbed me right off is that the reticle looks a funny color to me- like a coppery tint. It's like some reticles appear when a lot of light comes in from the eyepiece, but I turned all directions and shielded it to make sure the sun or it's reflection wasn't coming in and it looked about the same. I checked again inside, and it was the same. I just now got it and looked again, and here in the house at night with artificial light, it's the same. It appears black when looking at something really light colored like the stainless refrigerator, but even then I get a ripple of that coppery color on a small part. Covers flipped open or removed completely, focus adjusted- no difference. The reticle is clear and probably useable, but it sure doesn't appear as black to me.
I've had a P-223 for about 400 rounds now. It's my first fixed magnification scope. I absolutely love it. I've owned many other higher end scopes but always end up going back to Nikon.
I would recommend this scope to anyone.
I just mounted my P223 3-9 X 40 scope last week. Put 250 rounds down range with it and really like it. I has nice positive clicks on the turrets, was easy to zero, and held it's zero thru the 250rds. I have it mounted with a Burris PEPR 1" mount. It's got great glass, clear, bright, and in focus from edge to edge. The reticle is very fine but easy to see, even with my old eyes. Mine's worked fine so far and I'm very happy with it. :D
My P223 3-9 X 40 scope is awesome for the price. Over 300 rounds of 6.8 SPC and zero issues.
I am very happy with it. I wish they had it in higher power, say 6-24 as I am now shooting more at 200 yards.
Brasse, Always great to her when someone is happy with their scope choice. I am still waiting on one, hopefully in the next few weeks I'll get my hands on one. The new 2012 M-308 4-16 is supposed to show up in the next 2 weeks for those looking for a BDC or Rapid Action Turret to 800 yards.
So far a few buddies who have tested this scope out tell me it's going to be a hit.
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I recently mounted a P-223 3-32 on my carbine with P-mounts and through 80 rounds it's working fine. I zeroed it at 100 with no problem, and then took it out to 600. At 100 I was shooting M855 for initial zero, and then a couple of game loads for development (60g Nosler partitions, and 65g Gamekings). All good, with just under 2 moa results (ten shot groups). At 600 I used my normal service rifle loads (77 SMK's over 24.5g of Varget) and found the reticle is definitely not calibrated for this round. It didn't take long to find and hold the ten ring on a MR target prone though. I'm hoping I can work it back to a couple inches high at 100 now. Nice that the knobs have a re-zero feature, so no matter how it works out, I'll have the come-ups I need. I like the eye relief and its size and weight are a compliment to my little rifle. So far so good.
Has anyone purchased one lately? I'm debating on going with the 3-9x.
Wally, You are correct that the P-223 3X Carbine scope is not calibrated to your scope. It is dialed in for 55 gr. bullets at 3240 fps. One of the great features of Nikon's BDC style reticle is that you can utilize Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program to dial in your specific ammo,rifle and scope for the best downrange accuracy. I applaud you for taking your 3X scope out to 600 yards. My old eyes barely let me bang steel plates at 200 yards. Definitely check out Spot On, it's free to use and there is a lot of great information to be gathered from the program.
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I bought P223 3-9 recently NIB but from a local guy, paid $125 I think. So it could have sat around a bit before he sold it, but it was new for me. It lived on a 5.56 for a few sessions just to see how accurate I could shoot and then went to a 22LR bolt gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AeroMan556
That Spot On program is great and its a free app on your smartphone as well. I put in my ammo type and zero'd at 40m. I then shot a Silhouette match at 40, 60, 77, and 100m. Worked like a charm! I suppose I would balk at paying full retail, since that would be real close to a cheap 4-14x scope. But the BDC and the app is great and I am glad I went that route, especially since I have so much different 22LR ammo.
Cool thanks for the info.Quote:
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I literally use my P-223 3-9 BDC 600 scopes on everything from .223 SBR's to 22 LR bolt guns. Nikon's Spot On program lets you dial in whatever cal you are using to fit your rifle/ammo. So glad it's working out for you. Make sure you get the right scope height entered in the program too. Measure from mid bore to mid-scope. If you can chrono the ammo that help's downrange accuracy too.
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