What are the specific differences between the two types of ammunition? What does the X signify? Is one superior to the other?
I know they're both 62 gr steel penetrator 5.56.
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What are the specific differences between the two types of ammunition? What does the X signify? Is one superior to the other?
I know they're both 62 gr steel penetrator 5.56.
No specific difference. The X ammo may not have met a velocity min/max or something. But it can't all be rejected ammo. I mean... there's just too much of it available...
it's even in Walmart in some towns.
I still haven't heard a definitive answer about the federal XM ammo.
I dont think anyone knows.
If it bothers you, then look for IMI or Privi or PMC X-Tac first.
Ill buy whats cheapest (IMI right now)
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by saddlerocker
where is the cheapest place to buy the imi right now?
Wideners
The M193 is like $0.28/rd delivered to PA
the M855 is $0.30/rd delivered I think
Not tryin to call you out but I couldnt find any ammo to my house at .30 everything I found close to that did not include shipping.
Really? Wideners has 1200 rds of IMI855 for $349. UPS ground is usually around $20-25. Do you live in a rural area that ups the shipping cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman44
No. Sorry I was looking at federal m855.
FWIW, here's what Federal's website says about their XM193:
http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspxQuote:
• XM193 product is first run, first quality product manufactured at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant for Federal Cartridge and is made to Federal specifications typical for commercial ammunition.
• All XM193 product is the same regardless of the sku or part number. (ie. XM193C is the same as XM193F, XM193CBP and etc…) The only difference is the package configuration.
I don't know if the same description applies to XM855.
My experience is the XM stuff is OK,
But the IMI is far and away, better ammo.
I had lots of blown primers with both XM855 and XM193.
None with the IMI M193 or any other 5.56 or 223 pressure loads in my rifle (loose Wylde chamber).
IMI has a lower flash signature and generally good appearance and lack of visual defects compared to XM.
29 cents per round delivered to California. Great ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by shua713
http://www.glensoutdoors.com/Federal...o-p/xm193f.htm
This place usually is the place to beat price wise for xm193. 500 rnds $134.95 + $10 shipping. Super fast shipping; had it in 3 days.
If you reload this stuff sometimes has Lake City brass stamped without the nato mark but I have heard is is the same brass. My last order has the nato mark like all my x855.
Otherwise, I wait for Cabelas to put AE223 up for $5.49 a box
I think the key there is "commercial production".Quote:
Originally Posted by novaDAK
Isn't there something with military M855 that has to have that black tar bullet sealant on it? Is that present on the XM ammunition? Could be minor nuances such as that being the difference? I never shot XM ammunition.
Case neck sealant is spec for M855. I know in the XM193 lots there's been ammo that didn't have sealant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven Armament
That only furthers the "chicken or the egg?" debate. Did it go X because of no sealant? Or did they not worry about the sealant because the ammo was being run for X?
Going to have to bookmark that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldState
I picked up 500 rounds of PMC X-Tac at the knob creek machine gun shoot for $130 with a plastic ammo can. The deal made me smile. I usually use aim surplus for price comparisons as they seem to be pretty good on most stuff
With the wording as "for the commercial market" it seems it would be intended or purposeful to do it a certain way. It's not clear, just what it seems to me. Of all the rifle ammunition on the commercial market, I don't think any of it has bullet sealant on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
The way it looks from what is stated on the site, it appears to be "on purpose" not to apply bullet sealant to the XM ammunition. But you're right, chicken or egg?
Some of the XM ammo has come fully sealed. But I tend to agree that they're making if for the commercial market.
Either that or they have a horrible ability to meet spec.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104532480Quote:
Originally Posted by ssracer
Here's that ae223 at Cabelas. Free shipping over $99
Where is that deal at? I calculated .29 cents before shipping.
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Originally Posted by 900ss
Ha, ha! That's a good one. Could be that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
The deal from Glen's is .29 cents per round delivered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
If you like ae223 and don't live is a state where there is a Cabela's, that stuff is .27 cents a round delivered (free shipping over $99). Otherwise add your sales tax.. In PA that's .29 cents a round.
I rather have the LC brass but the ae233 shoots softer and is more accurate out of my 6920.
That FC brass is just fine. I load it all the time. And I'll take AE223 over any XM ammo any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldState
I was referring to the IMI M855 which is what someone inquired about and which 900ss responded to .29 a round delivered.
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Originally Posted by OldState
I have been loading the newer FC brass several times over now without issue. The AE223 is fine but a couple hundred FPS slower than the XM193 through my chrony.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
Wideners has this in stock. They also have 62 grain for more dosh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
I guess there is some confusion here. I thought we were discussing M855 not M193. When I calculated the price it was .29 cents per round before shipping. That's what I was trying to get at.
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Originally Posted by 900ss
My apologies, you are correct. The OP was inquiring about 855; I got caught up in later posts re: pricing the m193 IMI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
Sorry about that.
GT distributors had a deal on PMS M855 ....$270 for 1000 rounds. I dont know if its still available
I just recieved from Widners 1200 rounds of IMI 5.56 62gr from Widners for 346 + 20 dollars ups to the boonies of NC. Thats .30 a round. To bad I can't afford to pick it up over the mountain with out other fees and tax's being added.