do u shoot 2 eyes open with a magnifier behind your rds or do u shoot one eye. i know u shoot 2 eyes open with eotech/aimpoint but wondering do u still do that when the magnifier is in place
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do u shoot 2 eyes open with a magnifier behind your rds or do u shoot one eye. i know u shoot 2 eyes open with eotech/aimpoint but wondering do u still do that when the magnifier is in place
You'll more likely get a response to your query if you take the time to type a coherent sentence, using real words.
Wow! I didn't realize this was english class. I'll try to limit the shorthand. Oh yea if you didn't want to respond to the question you should've just not posted at :rolleyes:all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmrtnsn
Always shoot with both eyes open. Took a long time to learn to just keep the eyes open but it is far more effective.
I believe both eyes open is best. That said, I can't shoot with both eyes open. I'm a righty but left eye dominant. I've started wearing a patch on my left eye around the house to see if I can train my right eye to be dominant.
Cross dominance is a non issue. I'm some form of it. People make it into more than it is.
I use both eyes open for pistol, irons, dots, acogs etc etc etc.
You should use both eyes open. You cut your FOV off by closing one eye, you also will notice your eye start to twitch after a long period of keeping it shut.
Since you decided to blow off the advice from a senior member, I'll pass it on. If you don't want to type coherent sentence that make us believe you're not some kid in the basement, then don't post the question.
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Originally Posted by gbolt903
How do you shoot both eyes open with a rifle when you're cross dominant? I have a dot of scotch tape on the left lens of my shooting glasses. It helps make my right eye take over dominance but its tough to keep the dot in the right spot or balance big enough to transfer dominance and small enough to keep a good FOV.Quote:
Originally Posted by theblackknight
Hmm...I'm right eye dominant and right handed, but I can shoot both eyes open from my left shoulder, to the point where you probably couldn't tell I am not left handed...took a while, but a ton of dry practice got it done. I know there are differing degrees of dominance, but putting in the reps, not just at the range, should get it done.
This!
Whether I'm shooting my Aimpoints or my NF 1-4 I shoot with both eyes open.
Repetition on the range and off the range is the key.
Of course, I'm still trying to get the lazy left side of my body to comply.
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Originally Posted by SPQR476
Regardless of the sight type, I shoot with both eye open, which is how I was taught by my father and grandfather. As pointed out earlier, it increases your field of view and reduces eye fatigue. It also helps maintain depth perception.
Sometimes I shoot left handed and with a bit of concentration, I can shoot both eyes open from my non-dominant side. Mental fatigue kicks in quicker when I do. At the archery shop I used to hang out as a kid, the owner used to have me shoot the left handed bows he tuned for customers to make sure they were set up and shooting right.
I find it easier to use an RDS shooting left handed than iron sights
Apparently your condition is very mild. Cross dominance is a serious issue for me with a rifle. If you don't have the problem it would be near impossible to emulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by theblackknight
Irons are impossible for me
RDS is typically a double cylinder with no dot showing.
Have tried with inexpensive and high end RDS mounted high, low, on receiver. I expect I will be able to use a RDS mounted forward on the rail. That still leaves shooting weak right eye only when shooting right handed with irons.
Shooting left handed is no problem at all with both eyes open. In fact shooting a rifle left handed feels surprisingly natural.
But to say eye dominance is a non issue when you don't even know what it's like is simply wrong. It is an issue. It is mentally frustrating. It is physically fatiguing because the non-dominant eye is usually weak and eye strain comes into play. The whole situation is a PITA.
Of all the things that can be an issue with shooting. Eye sight is probably top of the list.
I tried shooting rifle left handed yesterday since my left eye is dominant. It worked ok, but didn't feel natural. I decided to attempt to train my right eye to be dominant. Yesterday I started wearing a patch on my left eye around the house.
If I just pick up a rifle and try to sight it with both eyes open my left eye is dominant. If I close my left eye for a moment, sight with the right eye and then open the left eye I'm able to maintain the sight with the right eye. The left eye seems like it tries to take over but I can still sight it with the right eye. I'm sure it won't be something that will happen quickly, but I'm going to give the patch a try.
U shuld shut wit both eyez open cuz it's moar better
Over the past year or so I started having problems shooting handguns with both eyes open (will hit low and to the left, but as soon as I close my "non-dominant" left eye the hits are be back on target) whereas I can still shoot a RDS-equipped rifle with both eyes open without any POI shift. It's taken all the fun out of shooting handguns though.
A friend of mine is left eye dominant to the point where if he's shooting an RDS with the front lens cap closed he is totally :suicide:.
So yes, eye dominance can be a problem to varying degrees to different people, where some can overcome it by training and others cannot.
Oh, and nice one Tzook.
Please do. We're not a bunch of kids who want to read current texting shorthand for English. :big_boss:Quote:
Originally Posted by gbolt903
Thanks. :) I never type like that so I had to dig deep!!Quote:
Originally Posted by skullworks
And you make great points, though there is a preferred way of doing everything if you do it really well one way.... May as well stick with it
I am unable to directly answer the original poster's question, as I do not use a magnifier with a red dot collimating optic. However, I do shoot with both eyes open when using my Leupold VX-R 1.25-4. With the scope dialed down (1.25x) there is either no problem with both eyes open, or a very de minimis problem. When the scope is dialed up to 4x, there is somewhat more of an issue, but I still do it. The advantages of greater peripheral awareness outweigh the slight cognitive dissonance of reconciling 4x for one eye and 1x for the other.
OP, this isn't English class, but clarity of language enhances clarity of thought, which enhances clarity of training.
I've found that adjusting myself to M4c works a lot better than adjusting M4c to me.
Dustin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Cantrell
I'm a righty but left eye dominant as well. Fortunately the dominance is fairly mild. I can shoot left handed with irons to distance. I can shoot right handed with irons out to 100-150 yards. With a red dot, I'm just as good/equally bad left handed or right handed.
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Originally Posted by Tzook
Personally I shoot both eyes open for close range, and one eye closed when shooting magnified optics or red dots for precision or longer distance. For me, it helps get a better, more crisp sight picture.
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Originally Posted by Dustin Cantrell
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Originally Posted by theblackknight
Cross dominance is a non issue. I'm some form of it. People make it into more than it is.
Apparently your condition is very mild. Cross dominance is a serious issue for me with a rifle. If you don't have the problem it would be near impossible to emulate.
Irons are impossible for me
RDS is typically a double cylinder with no dot showing.
Have tried with inexpensive and high end RDS mounted high, low, on receiver. I expect I will be able to use a RDS mounted forward on the rail. That still leaves shooting weak right eye only when shooting right handed with irons.
Shooting left handed is no problem at all with both eyes open. In fact shooting a rifle left handed feels surprisingly natural.
But to say eye dominance is a non issue when you don't even know what it's like is simply wrong. It is an issue. It is mentally frustrating. It is physically fatiguing because the non-dominant eye is usually weak and eye strain comes into play. The whole situation is a PITA.
Of all the things that can be an issue with shooting. Eye sight is probably top of the list.
OK here goes. I'm right handed. I shoot both pistol and rifle, with any type of sights with my right hand/shoulder.
With rifle I sight in right eye for right shoulder, but with pistol, I sight in with my left eye. I don't what this means to you guys. My preference with with pistol in left eye. You also see other x-dom guys like Larry who have a slight blade, but I'm more squared and the pistol literally only moves over the distance between my eyes.
I'm not sure it would help you guys any, but I'll could take some downrange footage to show rifle/pistol transition, which I'll be working on anyway on friday.
Sorry I was dumb. I should have said"my x-dom is a non issue".
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Originally Posted by gbolt903
I shoot my EOTech with both eyes open. When I switch to the magnifier, I find that I'm closing my left eye. I seem to focus better that way.
For the life of me, I can't get both the eyes to stay open at the same time. No cross dominance issue here. Pisses me off no end.
Any drill/excercise to overcome is appreciated. If I force myself to keep both the eyes open, I feel like focusing on front sight leads to double vision at the target.
Are you using an RDS? If it is an Aimpoint, try closing the front lens cap and shoot some drills that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by gesundheit
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Wow, great idea to overcome closing one eye!Quote:
Originally Posted by skullworks
I'm using EOTechs. Any drill I can run with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by skullworks
If you can cover the front of the lens you should be able to do the same as with the Aimpoint.
This is from the Aimpoint website; the pictures they use there are crap and actually do not explain anything, so I won't bother linking them:
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How to improve your shooting & How to shoot with a red dot sight
Caution: Place the firearm in a safe condition prior to handling or making any of the exercises demonstrated below.
Aim straight and shoot better !
There is one rule and it’s simple. Keep both eyes open!
Exercise No.1
For a moment, lower your firearm and focus both eyes on the target. Next, without taking your eyes off the target, bring your firearm into position so that you are now looking at the target through the Aimpoint sight.
With your firearm shouldered, with both eyes open and focused on the target, the dot will naturally appear where you want your shot to hit.
It’s that easy! When the dot is on target, so are you.
Since all Aimpoint sights are parallax free, you never have to worry about centering the red dot inside the sight.
If you have trouble shooting with both eyes open, We recommend this simple training exercise:
Exercise No.2
Cover the front of your Aimpoint sight with the lens cover.
Then bring your firearm into position while keeping both eyes focused on the target .
The red dot will now be on the target.
Practicing this simple procedure will get you comfortable with keeping both eyes open while aiming at the target. That’s because with a traditional sight, your field of view is limited.
You lose valuable time focusing through the sight rather than focusing on the target. You also lose eye contact with the target and you don’t get a general view of the situation and surroundings.
After performing these exercises you are ready to get the most out of your Aimpoint sight, You will see how much easier and faster it is to aim your firearm with an Aimpoint sight and you will improve your shooting.
I have to do this sometimes when shooting left-hand/offhand, closing my right eye instead of left, of course. (Right eye dominant.) Practicing shooting/aiming (even 'dry' at home, as mentioned previously)over and over has helped me be able to switch on the fly most of the time, but there are those times where I shoulder the rifle on the left and the right eye won't give it up immediately. A quick close of the right eye so the left sees the picture is usually all it takes for my brain to switch sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Cantrell
If I need to be as precise as possible at longer distances, I shoot one-eyed, too. It's just much sharper that way. I've always figured it was due to having a significant disparity between the vision of each eye, but that's just my uneducated guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic1
It depends on the power of the optics, I can shoot with both eyes open up to a 5x but afetr that I have to close my left eye.
Just a note, if you're going to critique someone else's grammar you might want to check your own.....
Both eyes open, from pistol sites all they up to 10x power on my Night force.
One of my first optics was a 4x ACOG, this is where I really made the switch from one eye open to both. At this point my eyes/muscles are trained such that it is weird difficult to shoot one closed.
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Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillBrink
I'm not an expert, but I am cross-eye dominant, and I've found the following to be helpful:Quote:
Originally Posted by skullworks
1) Presentation is key. You want to present the firearm where the sights are aligned for your dominant eye.
Try this, close your non-dominant eye, present the firearm, now open your eye.
When you have a good presentation, repeat x1000.
Sometimes my eyes will still go wonky. This is mostly if I have to hold on target for an extended period. In this case, I might close my non-dominant eye, or re-present (reset).
2) Maybe this is part of #1, but I think it is worth a distinct point. Good "press-out" form, properly aligned with your dominant eye helps indexing.
3) I've painted the irons on my handgun. Front day glow yellow, rears day glow orange. I tried it the other way around, but the yellow is brighter to my eyes, and you want the front sight to stand out most.
I find this really helps indexing since your eyes follow the brighter dot to the target, and seeing double with dot sights is really a pita since the dots look the same and you just get a "dot cloud". :-/
4) Combat sized irons are easier than small ones. My primary (HK P2000SK) has generous sized sights and combined with the paint, really pop out. On the other hand, the small sights on my Walther PPQs are much more challenging with my eyes.
The combination of these techniques have really helped me. Of course, YMMV.
-john