I agree. I have noticed all of Tridents gun pics have a glossy look. At first I thought it was just the finish on a couple of his rifles but MOE grips aren't glossy.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedoooom
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I agree. I have noticed all of Tridents gun pics have a glossy look. At first I thought it was just the finish on a couple of his rifles but MOE grips aren't glossy.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedoooom
I thought it was armor all or something like that and I think it looks good but probably not good for a detailed review.
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I don't mean to be a troll, but...
I can understand why a rail like this is much needed on the HK416, but what does system bring to ARs that others do not? The Troy/VTAC Alpha, KAC URX III, DD MFR, and Noveske NSR do everything this will do, and then some.
Its a natural evolution for Geissele to build an AR rail. They really have no more room for improvement in triggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by justin_247
Mostly though its probably the HK416 version was well received and probably got pestered if a AR version would come out.
Trident, good job on the review. Im with Justin here though. With so many foreends just like this one on the market, Id like to know *why* I should buy, what it will do for me, and in what ways does it blow away the already stiff competetion.Quote:
Originally Posted by justin_247
I'm curious, what else do you guys want rails to do? I'm not being confrontational, I just don't get it. You grab onto it and mount shit on it. This rail is just another quality option that carries out the same mundane task. When you're comparing quality rails, it really just comes down to feel and other subjective features. What other major / new features do you really want?
What I'd really like to see (in an ideal world), is an industry wide, standardized upper receiver that allows direct attachment of rails. Kind of like the Larue receivers, but with a rock solid QD point of attachment. That's the next real step. Using the barrel nut point of attachment works, and is obviously the only solution with standard upper receivers, but a direct attachment to the upper allows the barrel to free-float in the truest sense of the word, further reducing the effects of harmonics. It also completely erases the worry of rotation.
Here's a picture of the Larue system, just as an example of what I'm talking about. I'd like to see it made QD, although that's not so important. If VLTOR, for example, came out with a receiver like this and companies started making rails to work with it, then I'd be pretty happy.
Until then, this new Geissele rail, and the many others like it, do all I could ask for with the current system.
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1090142.jpg
Ergonomics: it feels perfect in the hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag
Rock solid lock up: 2.25" length of bearing surface on the bbl nut that the rail centers on and grips. A stock barrel nut has a much shorter gripping surface to support the cantilever loads of a 15" rail
Ease of installation: no indexing of the barrel but needed, ability to get a true torque when tightening the barrel nut
Modularity: broad flexibility where accessory rails can be mounted
Ease of mounting accy rails: two screws and your done, no loose nuts to fool with to try and get lined up. Shear lugs on accy rails take any side loading, not bolts
Mission flexibility: switch rails with different set ups or lengths in just a minute or so.
Backed by the Geissele Above Ground Warranty: as long as I am above ground I will take care of you.
Thanks Trident for posting all this. Fellas, please understand Geissele has no customer service, marketing, IT or sales dept. Trident is helping me get the word out on this new endeavor for us.
It's truly my pleasure brother, and we'd rather see you guys keep making great products instead of answering phones, or making pretty marketing brochures.
In regards to disclosure....
1. Geissele Automatics has never once hinted at the fact that I should post material in regards to their products on M4C...or any other forum for that matter.
Let me stress this....I received the rail from GA to test out, not market their product, so by extension the only reason this thread exists is because I thought some in the M4C community might want to learn about these new rails as information becomes available. This thread will at least help myself keep it organized and up to date.
2. I've never in the past, nor do I currently work for GA....or receive compensation for the opinion I hold and sometimes express in regards to GA and their products. Plain and simple...we're great friends and nothing more.
SPECS:
Naked rail measurements....
W: 1.7565"
H: 2.2640"
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...2/DSC06435.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...C06436-1-1.jpg
Non-naked (acc. railed) rail measurements....
W: 2.3005"
H: 2.5270"
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...2/DSC06441.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...2/DSC06442.jpg
ID: 1.3125"
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06452-1.jpg
OAL: 13"
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06445-1.jpg
Weight: (will be confirming these both on my own with different scales, as well as when GA sends me their weights.)
Weight naked (no acc. rail panels): 1.21lbs
Weight with three acc. rail panels: 1.34lbs
ETA:
Until GA gets all their distributors up and running....these rails will be sold initially only through Geissele Automatics.
Geissele tell you if these will fit say the Adams Arms piston kit?
Trident is the weight you listed without the barrel nut?
I'm not sure in regards to the piston kits, but I'll see about finding out for you.
dhena81....apologies for not specifying that, both weights listed above include the weight of the barrel nut/cross bolts. So those are...once confirmed...the final weight totals as installed on a rifle.
It's been a while, but I don't wonder if Geissele picked up the NGA rail since they went under?
Looks like what Mike Pannone was talking about when I was attending his course in March.
This is the package that I really hoped for, but didn't know if/when it would be coming til I received it this morning.
Today I received the SMR Mk1 15" model, along with no doubts one of the nicest match AR barrels I've ever put eyes on....and I'm understating that last part.
Comparative look b/t the 13" and 15" SMR MK1 rails......
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06485-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06496-1.jpg
Then here is a mystery barrel....
** this barrel is just really something else....I tried to capture the enormous quality on this barrel, but I really don't even think my pics do it justice. Currently I don't have much more to add on this uber premium GA barrel, but count on me trying to get all the info I can on them asap.
The only specs I have at this time are as follows...
"18” SPR profile, cut for the OPS inc suppressor but with an intermediate length gas system. Its in-between rifle and mid length. 1-7 twist, SS, Wylde chamber."
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06502-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06548-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...2/DSC06536.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06526-1.jpg
Finally how about a straight money shot!!!
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06556-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC06569-1.jpg
The 15" SMR is going with this new GA uber match 18" SPR barrel....end game here is a long range hitter with copious amounts of precision.
The 13" SMR is going with a Daniel Defense 14.5" CHF LW I ordered from RainerArms...end game here is patrol type ranges, with LW and speed being stressed. And yes for those who know me...your eyes don't fool you, I'm rolling with skinny jeans on this rifle:D
Hopefully one will be done before this time next week....leaning towards the one that will get me on torso sized steel @ 800yds the fastest.
Trident-
When possible, any additional information you can provide on the barrel would be helpful such as:
type of SS
type of rifling
source(s) for blank(s)
tolerance for bore concentricity/unformity (+/- x")
stress relief ?
lapping?
air gauging?
diameter of gas port
Thank you.
FDE anodized Colt 6920 with Geissele MKII rail
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...DE-6920-06.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...DE-6920-05.jpg
Cheers