Yup,
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psae474dbe.jpg
Then there are the TABC signs.
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Yup,
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psae474dbe.jpg
Then there are the TABC signs.
They seem to be giving conflicting information on their website. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, if you're licensed to carry you may do so in an establishment that's liquor sale make up less than 50% of their business. If its over 51% it would be a felony, but the sign would require large red letters. The devils in the details.
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/sign_requirements.asp
OP it goes without saying you should know your state laws. A Starbucks and a state run liquor store are slightly different. I would imagine they don't want you rolling into the DMV packing heat either.
A business can ask you to leave for pretty much any reason. It's their business. Regardless why a business might ask you to leave, you must comply or you are trespassing.
As for CCW, as M-K notes, state law varies. Here in WA state, signs have no legal weight. Basically they are "we don't like your kind" signs. I'll note that even in the very liberal metropolitan Seattle, I've VERY RARELY seen a no firearms sign (aside from legaly required areas like bars).
In most cases, I think Starbucks takes heat because *open* carry. If you think about it, nobody protests the 99.99% of other places that don't post. It is only a problem for them due to the activism on both sides.
-john
From the link:
It is illegal to drink alcohol at liquor stores/convenient stores so it is perfectly legal to CCW in them, I carry every time I go to a liquor store and or gas station. As for the 51% that is for bars/pubs/clubs where the majority of the business is from alcohol sales for on-site consumption. While most restaurants sell alcohol the majority of their income is derived from food sales.Quote:
All alcoholic beverages retailers must post one of two firearms signs. One sign is intended for use on the types of premises where a holder of a concealed hand gun license may lawfully possess a concealed hand gun: establishments licensed to sell alcoholic beverages for off-premises consumption or, if licensed for sale for on-premises consumption, establishments whose alcohol sales are 50% or less of total gross receipts. It warns that unlicensed possession of a concealed weapon is a felony.
The second sign, the 51% sign, is to be posted on the premises of establishments where the possession of any concealed weapon is illegal. These are establishments that are licensed to sell alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption whose alcohol sales constitutes more than half of gross receipts. These signs have 51% in large red letters superimposed over the warning and the warning notes that possession of a concealed weapon on the premises is a felony.
In Ohio, the signage thing can be confusing. If the sign has the specific Ohio law code at the bottom, it carries weight I believe. If it does not have the Ohio code, then it is just a "we don't like your kind here" sign. How would someone know unless you are carrying openly?? A mall that I sometimes frequent with my kids (indoor playground) has signs at each MALL entrance. However.....If someone were to enter via the Macys entrance, NO signs whatsoever. No signs seen going from Macys into the mall itself either. What say you on this matter??? Is it still legal? Can I play dumb and say I entered via Macys and didn't see any signs??
Moose, what type of establishment is that particular sign from?
Do check your state laws, periodically as well. Previously in Kansas, only proper signage had any weight, and it was just a misdemeanor. Now the signs have no weight, unless it is a Federally prohibited place. This only changed July 1.
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