This really looks like the most half assed AR ever.
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This really looks like the most half assed AR ever.
It will soon be easier to make a list of companies that don't make ARs than to make a list of companies that do make ARs. Why in the heck didn't SIG focus on the piston gun they already have, the SIG 556? Not that I'm particularly impressed with the SIG 556. I have one and the more I shoot it, the more underwhelmed I am. Credible rifle, yes, something special, no. Same with the Ruger AR, underwhelming. Not that I expected Ruger to introduce an innovative design. What's special about this SIG 516? Nothing I can see.
Oh I see.. You're probably one of those guys that thinks that a set of 2 thousand dollar golf clubs will make you play better.
It's a great gun for what I use it for and very well made.
I have also fired the 556 and it's also a well made rifle that shoots very well. So maybe you should investigate things before you make unfounded comments.
If the rifle works for you then by all means, rock on brother.
I do however want to ask what your basis of comparison is and what your personal needs are in a defensive firearm (or is this a toy to you?)?
The 516 offers the end user absolutely nothing when compared to other products on the market which is why you hear alot of grumbling in this thread. It is merely another entry into an already saturated market that is quickly becoming heavily diluted with what is widely regarded as being crap.
IF this rifle offered something over say a 6920 or a BCM/DD offering then we could have a healthy discussion as to why its existence makes sense. If all anyone can really say about the rifle is that it looks cool and that they want it well then, i guess thats capitalism and freedom at its finest but this forum doesnt exist to discuss our private purchases. It exists to discuss weapons, their employment and their technical nuances.
I think you're seeing alot of "crapping" in this thread because people that fire alot of rounds each year are still to this date, years later, confused as to why the piston AR came to be. No one to date has proved it to be "better" and most of the subjective notions on the interwebs and in speaking with people on the ground is that they prefer the DI system for ease of PM and the fact that without a doubt NO ONE has produced a piston AR15 that recoils in the same manner as a DI AR.
Just some food for thought!
PS, i HAVE handled a 516 but have not shot it. The machining on the lower seems very nice although im not a fan of integrated QD cups in that location.
Touche....very well put. Im using this gun for range fun and plinking. Its not used for home defense unless the SHTF. My prior AR was a colt HBAR. I come from the 3 position smallbore competition world and shooting an Anschutz so I like to think I can tell a decent firearm from a pos. I havent fired enough ARs to be able to say one is better than another but I can say that I have no problem puting all my shots from my Sig in the ten ring at 100 yards. And thats good enough for me.
Only time and rounds will tell how well it holds up though.
As evinced by the Robinson XCR which I regard as an almost perfect rifle. It seems to get no attention at all.Quote:
Innovative designs are not the hot sellers right now, AR clones are.
I'm confused about how the direct impingement came to be. Piping hot dirty gas into a precision action is just not the greatest idea Eugene Stoner ever had. It works well enough in most instances and it has some advantages, simplicity, low parts count and perfectly co-axial action which may aid accuracy and control. Funny thing is that when Stoner designed the AR the gas piston above the barrel was well demonstrated as the most effective method of automating a rifle. They say it is hard to argue with success and the AR is certainly successful but the gas piston above the barrel was successful when Stoner did his design. To each his own. I find it peculiar anyone would bemoan the fabulous, free-wheeling innovation we now see in the firearms world generally and in ARs specifiably. Not that a gas piston on an AR is particularly innovative any more. As evinced by the fact that Ruger did it.:DQuote:
......people that fire alot of rounds each year are still to this date, years later, confused as to why the piston AR came to be.....
No its a MOE
Because it's a SIG?Quote:
I have yet to hear why anyone should get a SIG 516 over an MRP.
I concluded the powers at SIG are utterly tone-deaf when they installed rails on all their pistols. I don't see this "me too" rifle contradicting that conclusion. Another AR. Wowee.
It's almost like Chrysler deciding to make Fords.
Im not sure exactly what the problem is with piping hot dirty gas into the action? Go look at 87GN's findings, chamber temperatures remain largely the same between piston and DI style AR15's...
Guns get dirty, period, end of story, even Gas piston designs, its an inevitability when we are dealing with explosives.
EDIT: Gotta stay on topic here. Anyone have any info about the recall on this particular rifle?
The exact problem piping hot dirty gas into the action is the action gets hot and dirty. Of course all guns get dirty but DI guns get dirty faster and piston gun actions don't get nearly so hot. I was rebutting an assertion that the mere existence of piston guns is nonsensical. I find the existence of piston guns less amazing than the existence of DI guns. Pray thee tell, what is 87GN? I know I'm opening myself to attack by asking this question but I have already demonstrated my heresy by questioning DI so what the heck. My experience in the matter is limited to about 5K rounds through an LMT, about half through a piston upper and the other half through a DI upper. That's enough to persuade me that DI is not without it's faults.
Tim,
We are having a discussion, we arent attacking each other.
87GN is a member here, do a member search and check out some of his posts. Very informative stuff.
Ultimately there is no perfect system so you've got to pick and choose what shortcomings you want to live with.
For me, the increased recoil impulse, increased amount of parts and the overall unreliability of the Piston systems that ive handled have led me to stick with DI uppers.
To each their own. :)
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I know I'm opening myself to attack....
I wasn't referring to you personally Magsz but some folks do take this personally and they get hot when questioned or challenged. I thought maybe 87GN was some huge scientific study the AR homeboys carry around like a preacher carries a Bible.Quote:
....we arent attacking each other.
I think it looks like shit. Sigs just do absolutely nothing for me. Its just another piston gun. Ill stick with my LWRC. I think there the cleanest and offer the best parts out of any AR
Street price on these are in the $1400 range
Too expensive for what you get. That's a well spec'ed DI AR15, or an LMT MRP.
No thanks. SIG really should stop messing around with these half assed endeavors and just release a SG551