Aside from the few fools who like to push their post count, i am pleasantly surprised at the reception the chart has received, especially on GT.
Some people get it. Some don't.
Just like everything else...
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Aside from the few fools who like to push their post count, i am pleasantly surprised at the reception the chart has received, especially on GT.
Some people get it. Some don't.
Just like everything else...
Rob,
there are several things and brands missing from your chart.
A few brands that come to mind:
Ameetec
Cavarms
Del-ton
D&L
DSA
Fulton
High Standard
JP Industries
JT
LesBear
Magpul
M&A Parts
Model-1
SLR15
Superior
Vulcan (formerly known as Hesse and now marketing under Blackthorne)
Wilson
Also things like the proper staking section could be open to intrepretation, as most of the S&W/Stag stuff I have been seeing in armoring courses has been staked using a flat cold chisel.
CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
Personally, a lot of those brands wouldn't be worth my time to put on a chart. Not to mention that a lot of them flat out lie about the components they are using. You would have to do a destructive test on the barrels and bolts just to see what they were made out of. To make it even harder, most of these companies are constantly shopping around for the cheapest parts available. So one month you might get a CMT BCG (good) and the next month they get them from Lord knows where.
I don't follow on the staking thing. There are really only two good ways to do it. Any way you slice it, the flat chisel one is one of the worst.
All S&W AR's now come with LMT BCG's. These are all staked properly.
C4
I'm also not sure that any of those companies make complete rifles and/or complete rifles in the M4-ish appearance.
New version posted.
Actually, Defensive Edge- Sully's company- does.
You are doing a great job, and in printing it opening yourself up for a lot of rockets.
We have seen enough of chambers from some of the companies to have an idea that they may not be consistent, but also understand that this is the best that you can do w/o sophisticated testing.
Good Job!
Is S&W using complete LMT bolt carrier groups, or just LMT carriers?
I did not notice the black extractor buffer being marked on S&W's column, but LMT bolts certainly include them.
I've already seen a reference to "buying from the left." One wonders if such a reference will be as commonplace as references to tiers.
So we need to fix that on the chart now too...
I would also re-sort the chart left-right based on the STANDARD features, not with ALL OPTIONS INCLUDED.
Some of the options are user-replaceable items that could of-course be installed on any of the guns that are lacking the features.
Hey Rob LMT does have the tapered FSB pins. they will also but in a H-buffer if requested.
Thanks
I guess I'm in the minority who preferred the version with the totals posted with and without the factory options. If someone felt "butt hurt" than that's their issue. I though it was merely and informative thing and not a subjective scoring thing.
Changing the facts would be the equivalent of rewriting history...
When did this start?
I have seen LMT uppers from as recent as June that do NOT have taper pins.
This picture is from a couple years ago though:
http://ar15barrels.com/tech/lmt-fsb-park.jpg
The problem with changing the info for the S&W is that they vary quite a bit depending on when you bought the particular rifle.
Some are Stag/CMT, some are in-betweens and some are clearly purely in house ARs (in house have LMT carriers, unmarked barrels, a roll pin holding on sling loop, CAR handguards, no side-sling loop, un-notched hammers). The newest M&P15-Ts also now have the M4 style Troy front sight without the serrations on the sides of the sight (we got one today).
The chart should be for CURRENT production, out-of-the-box rifles, not past models and not models with all the "options added".
This should be "base models", what you would expect to get if you just call up and order, without having to specify anything extra.
If a manufacturer makes updates to their standard offerings that bring them more in-line, then they should see the benefit on the chart.
You could also use the "some reports of not meeting the spec" option for the S&W regarding the black buffer as the early ones would NOT have had it when using stag parts.
The only reason I mentioned anything about the H-buffer for LMT is all the bright red 2 options you have for CMMG :p