It's his opinion.
I have the 516 does he?
I've compared the 516 to DI ars. Has he?
And the "real people that matter" are not open to anything that god forbid might change stoners design.
I retract nothing.
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Nothing to I'm sure your standards to prove it.
That being said, if I needed a duty rifle I would go with a proven platform like a DI ar. But alot of you guys lump all and everything new into the It's shit category without so much as handling one.
I have nearly a thousand rounds through my 516 without any kind of malfunction whatsoever and the bcg looks like a DI ar with a hundred rounds through it.
No, I'm not taking this gun into battle.
No, it's not a duty rifle. But I definitely feel confident enough to defend myself and my family with it.
We all know that "if it ain't milspec it's crap" ok?
So get over yourself.
A thousand rounds. Impressive. Definitely sounds like there should be no issues and it was worth the money over a DI AR. After all, ease of cleaning is paramount.
Please watch the tone and read this: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=70019
I own almost every assault rifle ever made. Some I have multiple examples of each.
Piston AR15s are unproven, proprietary, heavier than a DI AR15.
75% of piston AR15s are made by companies that won't be around in 20 years or the company wont be making AR15s in 20 years.
They do not run cleaner than DI AR15s.
They are harder on the moving components than DI AR15s.
They weigh more.
Cost more.
Harder to work on.
Harder to get parts for.
Have never been proven to be more reliable than DI AR15s.
Ok got it.
You win.
Still more than Ruger's complete rifle is worth. I don't know if they make nice Bolt guns but I know their Mini 14s are garbage although appropriate for the price point.
Ruger makes fine sporting arms (hunting rifles, trap shotguns, target pistols), but their weapons are terrible.
Precisely.
If you want to go the piston route, SIG is one of the least viable options.
Wait until SHOT and see what HK and LWRC are doing. I'd take either long before buying anything by SIG.
I'm not trying to call out anybody with more experience on them than I...
but knowing how much R&D was put into it... it's hard to imagine that the 416 would have that problem.
My only real problem with the 416 is the stupid rail system height.
I'm also on board with Scottryan, and Littlelebowski.
I have a Sig556. Ok weapon after all the bugs were worked out. It's heavy as heck, though. Defintiely not a run and gun type weapon.
While I haven't heard of THOSE specific problems, I have heard from reliable sources on this board about the gas blocks exploding under high round count supressed fire.Quote:
I'm not trying to call out anybody with more experience on them than I...
but knowing how much R&D was put into it... it's hard to imagine that the 416 would have that problem.
That alone convinced me the HK 416 as is isn't ready for SOCOM use.
I certainly agree with everyone here that piston ARs are pretty pointless for most folks. Even Larry Vickers, who helped HK develop the 416, says that pistons aren't really needed unless you are going below 16 or even 14.5. And further, if you aren't running suppresser or full auto, then you are missing a lot of the advantage.
I do think that people can go too far lumping all piston ARs in the unproven category. Most certainly are, but not all. The HK 416, especially, has a pretty impressive list of adoptees. It is hard to imagine Delta going through all that trouble to adopt a gun that is less reliable. The results of the dust tests, IAR competition, etc also seem to point to the the 416 being pretty dang reliable.
Again, I am in total agreement that most folks don't need piston ARs. But let's not go overboard.