Real nice work Steyr. Despite your somewhat rough initial few days here, there was little doubt that you'd be a great fit eventually.
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Real nice work Steyr. Despite your somewhat rough initial few days here, there was little doubt that you'd be a great fit eventually.
:D
I think there will eventually be hope for you as well.
:D
Seriously, the first day somebody should have simply told me it wasn't arfcom and explained the difference. I'm still not sure exactly what constitutes a "professional" GD post, but I seem to be getting by.
There are 4 SARs. 3 are Greek HK contract, one is a US clone.
1. The SAR 3 (basically identical to the 91)
2. The SAR 3/8 overstamp (same rifle but with a 8 stamped over the 3).
3. The SAR 8 (thumbhole stock and pressed on fake flash hider)
4. The SAR 8 (non Greek production, aluminum receiver)
The SAR 3 and 3/8 overstamp have a removable flash hider. Only the thumbhole stock SAR 8 is pressed on.
Since you are talking about a paddle mag and refinish anyway, might as well use a SAR 8 if you can find one and have the pinned on flash hider removed and replaced with the correct one.
Of course price and what becomes available will be your main criteria.
The 3/8 overstamp guns weren't even pinned on, just a muzzle nut.
I've owned real HK 91's and Greek G3 and SAR 3/8, and there honestly was no discernible difference in quality.
Another HK smith to look at, who I know personally and have shot his work on machine guns, is Mike @ TSC.
http://www.tscmachine.com/
Most of the pictures I'm finding of SAR 8's show an odd shortened muzzle device like this one.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=224672261
Some show what looks like the correct muzzle device without the ports machined out. I found one SAR that may be an overstamp since it seems to have the proper hider on it. If I do go for the SAR-8, I'll end up saving alot of cash I can use to have it refinished and add the paddle as well. I'm just getting hung up on the whole Real German vs. Licensed by situation. I'm not totally concerned with the collector value but it is great to say I'd have an original German version. It's cool to say I have one that matches my lineage too though. I guess since they both seem to be great rifles, I'll just decide based on cost, condition and the somewhat on collector value as well.
Just realized you're in NY, so you need either a real HK, Springfield SAR-3, or Pars G3S, or one that's already been debanned.
I'm exempted from all that absurdity as an LEO and only have to worry about it when I'm ready to retire. At that point I'll be ready to move out of state anyway. My concern at this point is to get a rifle that's as close to the real deal and in as close to excellent condition as possible, barring cosmetics. After hearing from you and Steyr, I'm leaning towards the SAR since it is a contract rifle and I'm sure I and my father will get a kick out of it being Greek made. Chances are it'll be somewhat newer and hopefully in better condition. And I won't feel guilty refinishing it and adding a paddle to it. The website you linked mentioned having it converted to a G3 with refinishing and stamping the receiver as well. Is it ok to use a full auto carrier in it, since it's advertised on the site as an option? Not sure what's legal with this particular design.
Those prices were to convert to a machine gun....might want to shoot Mike an email and ask about unbanning a SAR-8.
Some of Mike's work.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASA97e5Cpg
Not surprising.
The G3 marked semi's I mentioned were actually early HK rifles and the FMP G3S rifles. Adding a full auto carrier usually doesn't create any legal issues unless you have some local laws regarding them.
That said, a full auto carrier really doesn't do anything for you either.
Good read steyr.
I really enjoy these rifles.
I have a 1981 hk91 and a g3 clone built with a parts kit I picked up that included a cherry of a barrel that I really enjoy shooting.
I recently purchased a PTR-91 G.I. Upon taking it apart, I discovered my bolt carrier group is older than I am. It's marked HK 6/62, which I assume means it was made in June, 1962.
If you want pictures of parts, let me know.
Also, what is the proper sight picture for an HK series drum at using the V part of the drum? I'm wondering because when I zero elevation I'd like to make sure I'm not messing up.
So I managed to find a decent deal on an SAR-8 overstamp and it should be reaching my dealer soon. I contacted Mike at TSC machine on templar's recommendation and he told me he will only work on HK guns and not any contract or clone rifles. I unfortunately didn't speak to him before buying the SAR but I most likely would have stuck with the SAR anyway. He said he doesn't deal with 922r and doesn't want someone to replace compliance parts down the line and have the ATF knocking on his door. So no go on TSC for me. I did contact T. Mark Graham at Arizona Response Systems and he is willing to do the work. My rifle has the silly beer keg pinned over the barrel threads so I'm having it replaced with a correct hk hider. I'm also thinking of adding the grenade launch ring for authenticity. Would I have to replace the front site (I think it's called a triple frame)? The only hitch appears to be with adding the anti-rattle paddle release. He told me he's not totally sure about the Greek receivers but the Portuguese, PTR and Pakistani versions won't work with the wider paddle. He doesn't have any on hand to check so I would have to order it on my own and send it with the SAR. Anyone have any info regarding whether the anti-rattle will work?
I would not get hung up on "anti rattle" paddle magazines releases. I have several G3s and not one of them "rattles" and that includes the ones that are 50 years old.
I also wouldn't bother with grenade launching rings as they serve no function. They are cool if you have a G3 kit built into a rifle, but not worth the trouble of adding them on.
Do the flash hider, paddle magazine release and then spend the rest of the money on uber cheap 20 round magazines.
Also if you have a pressed on muzzle device, yours is a SAR 8, not an overstamp.
Here is my 2 CETME'S .I had to do a little tinkering to them to get them to shoot .http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/tx318/006.jpghttp://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/tx318/007.jpg
I'm just waiting for the rifle to get to my dealer at this point. Only issue now is to purchase the paddle so I'm just trying to figure out if the Greek receiver differs from the original HK version. Mark at arizona response said the HK version has extra material in the paddle release area so I'm not sure which style to buy as I have no idea which style paddle is correctly sized. Obviously, if the paddle is too wide he can shape it to fit but he said if the space for it on the receiver is too wide it would cause an issue. I have to buy the parts and send them with the rifle. Any ideas?