The J-frame is ridiculously better than the G26 for pocket carry. The autoloader than I have ever considered a real competitor is the Kahr Pm-9. But I finally sold off my Kahr and just carry my 442 with laser grips.
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The J-frame is ridiculously better than the G26 for pocket carry. The autoloader than I have ever considered a real competitor is the Kahr Pm-9. But I finally sold off my Kahr and just carry my 442 with laser grips.
I know several guys who have gone back to the J frame after trying small pistols, including the LCPs and the Kahr PM9.
A real issue for some was that when the gun was carried in a pocket and then deployed as it had been carried for several weeks they would get a first round stoppage. Tap-Roll/Rack/Bang would fix the problme, but it was a consistent issue.
I have found that the J frames are far easier to get a shooting grip on when you are trying to draw from the pocket at speed.
The J frames also make, IMHO, the best "get off me gun" in that they don't choke if you have a hard muzzle contact, and there is no slide to foul when clothing, arms and hands may be in the way.
There is nothing nicer than a small frame revolver. A small frame frvolver is handy to have with you and are you trying to tell me guys that a 38 sp is not an effective round? How many of you guys been in a gun fight lately that you needed the more rounds of a semi auto?
The 1986 Miami shoot out (FBI vs Platt Maddox) for starters. Two agents were killed while trying to reloading their empty revolvers. Their are hundreds of examples, I will leave it to you to find the rest. Your a big boy you should be able to find at least a few on your own with a little bit of google foo.
Pat
IMHO none of those would have been handled by a pocket pistol, be it a revolver or an auto.
Seriously, 7 rounds of .380 isn't a huge capacity/capability difference between 5 rounds of .38special
This is why we should carry real guns as often as we can. Pocket guns are for BUGs, or when we have to dress in sissy clothes and go to stuff like weddings and such.
No. The two agents who were killed were armed with S&W 459 9mm semi-autos. It was six rounds from a .357 Mag revolver that finished the fight.
You say hundreds, I ask for examples, and your reply is to find them on my own? Given that the one you provided was factually inaccurate, would you care to sharpen your own "Google-fu" and try again?
Sorry, I don't subscribe to American Handgunner and so, don't have two years worth of magazines to go back through.
Uhhhhh..............no.......
The two Agent's killed, Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove, (along with a third Agent who wasn't killed, were SWAT trained, and armed with S&W Model 459 high capacity 9mm's with extra magazines. Platt and Matix were finally killed by a wounded Agent armed with a 6 shot revolver.
RWK beat me to it.
Well, I don't know if documented is the right word in that example, but nonetheless, of course there have been shootings where high capacity guns were an asset.
But some of those shootings involved lots of misses as well. Just sayin'....
In a perfect world, I'd always rather have more bullets. But in a perfect world, you'd also always wear body armor, carry multiple extra mags, handcuffs, (what do you do when you take a guy down at gunpoint, and there's no one else around, or on the way...........been there....), and have an M4 under your seat of your car. Some guys do. I can't fault them, but I make other choices.
As I've said before, in the circles I've worked and traveled in, there's been a number of times where in a social group of stone cold killer tactical wizards, I was the only guy in the room with a gun on my person, (even if it was a lowly 5 shot J ). Their highly customized (and heavy) 1911's, were outside, guarding their cars. Several times in my police career, having a gun off duty in a place where a lot of guys wouldn't bother, turned out to be a very good thing.
I see. Here is a link to one officer's interview - Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDRg5SkuT0 Officer Jared was hit 6 times with a .45 and as quoted in Mas's interview "Jared Reston fired every one of his 14 shots and scored every one of his seven hits one-hand-only from supine, on his side, or half-way-up-off-the-ground positions."
American Handgunner is on-line. The last 16 issues are available here for free: http://www.americanhandgunner.com/digital-editions/ Happy reading.:D
Neither do I. But if you think there are no gun fights in which capacity played a role you are seriously mistaken.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm
I must appologize it appears my memory on this incident was not correct. Here is a report of the actual shooting. Regardless having high capacity autos has been a life saver in many actual shootings. In a perfect world we would not need a gun at all but its not a perfect world.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm
Thank you for admitting the obvious. I do agree a Jframe on your person beats a AR15 in the trunk. However I have found it easy to carry a full size 1911 off duty most of my career. Only recently have I switched to Glock 17 on duty and started carrying my Glock 26 bug off duty. I am always armed. The only time I carry my j frame is while jogging as its lighter weight is easier on my back. J frames are also nice for those times when carrying a gun is very difficult. Such as at weddings or church. Its hard to conceal a belt holster while wearing a tux. My point is carry as much gun as you can. Many people are simply lazy and carry a pocket gun when they could easily carry a small to mid sized 9mm or larger pistol with relative ease.
Pat