So, would it be best to wait for the LWD 9mm extractor to come off back order (been months now) or go with the OEM .40 extractor? If the latter, would it function with the 9mm Whitesound assembly?
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So, would it be best to wait for the LWD 9mm extractor to come off back order (been months now) or go with the OEM .40 extractor? If the latter, would it function with the 9mm Whitesound assembly?
FWIW, the LWD 9mm extractor made mine worse. I just received the new ejector and a new OEM extractor. Waiting to install and see if this remedies it.
I highly recommend just requesting an exchange for the new Gen 4's, for those of you still having issues. I couldn't be happier that I went that route, my Gen 4 with all updated internals runs flawlessly.
from arfcom:
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You will very likely find that the LWD 9mm extractor will make your ejection worse than it is now. When LoneWolf first started selling their extractors, many 9mm Glock owners had success fixing their ejection with LWD extractors. Well there's a good reason for that, LoneWolf had their extractors mixed up. People who ordered 9mm extractors actually received .40 extractors and vice versa. So the 9mm Glock owners who had erratic ejection which was fixed by LWD extractors were actually using .40 extractors. Since then, LoneWolf has corrected this mix-up and everyone who's tried an actual 9mm LWD extractor in their 9mm Glock has seen the ejection become worse.
LWD-brand extractors marked "3" are for 9mm. Extractors marked "4" are for .40.
The erratic ejection problem is caused because the extractor is not firmly holding the rim of the spent casing to the breech face, allowing the casing to drop lower in the gun before the ejector hits it. The case mouth of the spent casing then impacts the slide just below the ejection port opening and the casing loses most of its energy at that point. The .40 extractors have a thicker claw and therefore leave less of a gap between the breech face and claw of the extractor. The .40 extractors also have a 5 degree tilt to the claw which raises the case mouth of the spent casing before it starts pivoting right.
You could try a .40 extractor in your 9mm Glock, many people have put Glock-made .40 extractors in their 9mm Glocks and it fixed their ejection problems.
And the replacement Gen4 G19 they sent me last month was a COMPLETE dog - multiple failures, completely erratic ejection, etc. Ditto the two recent production 3rd Gen G19s they pulled to replace it - neither would go 200 rounds with NATO ball without failures or erratic ejection.
This issue is FAR from resolved, despite what Glock would like us to believe. I've had senior warranty and technical support folks at Glock tell me they have no idea why some of their 9mms work and others don't. All they're doing at this point is swapping parts and hoping that will fix the problem, if it doesn't, they start over with a new pistol.
If you got a good one, hold onto it like gold, and let us know how it's still running when you get a couple thousand rounds through it. My 3rd Gen didn't start acting up until about the 3K mark, at which point it went from a sewing machine to a reliability and extraction/ejection nightmare.
Regards,
Kevin
Thanks Cosmo...so .40 LWD or .40 OEM extractor?
Just went outside and fired a handful of Speer Gold Dot +P that I had laying around and it seemed to eject fine, compared to the junk Fiocchi I tried yesterday. I'll update after the .40 OEM extractor comes in.
I also have 1k of Winchester Q4318 on the way...I'll pick up some WWB to test as well...
Girl getting pegged in face by brass with Glock Gen 3 19. Watch at around the 3 second mark, she takes one to the forehead. She then gets a few close ones breeze by.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzmC6Wxu1tM
Looked like, out of 10 shots, it was 2 ejecting properly, three to the face, one 6 o'clock high, one to the left, one to 12 o'clock, and two dribbling out of the ejection port to the 4 o'clock.
About what we experienced with my last Gen4.
Glock shipped me a brand new 3rd Gen G19 last week; but I'm traveling until next Tue, so I won't get a chance to wring it out for another 10 days or so. I'll let y'all know how this one works.
Regards,
Kevin
I wanted to share my small experiance and ask a question that I did not see covered in this thread.
I recently purchased a Gen 3 Glock 17 RTF2 used from a private party, the person I purchased the gun from said he had fired it less then 100 times and did not change any parts(I specifically asked about the extractor because of the issues outlined in this thread). It was test fired 07/2009.
I took it out for the first time a few days ago and while it did not have a stoppage it did throw brass all over the place including into my face. I shot a total of 400 rounds. 200 wally world federal, 100 WWB, and 100 Winchester 147gr JHP RA9B. Ejection seemed normalized with the RA9B.
Today I took out the extractor to try and see if I possibly got the newer one, to my suprise I think it is the Lone Wolff 9mm model as it has the number 3 on the round spot that meets the plunger like described of the LWD product. My question is do the old or new OEM glock extractors have the same number system as LWD? I'm trying to determine what in fact I have before I start trying to remedy.
It's my understanding from this thread that being a 2009 production year gun it should have came with the old extractor, any insight is much appreciated.
Would be good to have this ^ clarified
Are you sure that it's a LWD extractor? You don't seem sure.
LWD extractors follow the same mold stamp procedure as the new Glock MIM extractors.
Older (or good) Gen 3 extractors are stamped on the side of the extractor itself. In this case, you do not have the "good" or old extractor.
My experience is I bought my Glock 19 Gen4 new in Feb '11. After about 2000rnds it stopped having issues. Up until then I was having FTF, FTE problems. When rounds were ejecting I would catch them in the face/shirt. I even had brass get between my glasses and eye. Not fun. It hasn't happened lately however. Upgrades are: glock recall rsa replacement, ghost 3.5 connector, wolfe extra power spring.
Bummer. I am not sure. I thought it was the LWD because I didn't see a dip as reported in the new MIM extractors. But now knowing that it's either that or the new MIM I'm pretty sure it's the new MIM as the reason stated for selling me the gun was he replaced it with a Gen 4 19. That was what initially raised the red flag and got me asking questions about if the gun was all origanal. Also it didn't look very well finished as the LWD part has been reported to be.
Disappointing for sure, I paid a premium for what I thought would be a trouble free gun to find out that I got the one part I was trying to avoid. Thanks for the clarification on which parts are which.
I'm not sure if I should try the LWD 9mm extractor or the OEM .40 now? Are the OEM .40's a cure for the Gen 3 guns with the 336 ejector or are those only working on the Gen 4 guns with new model ejectors? Should I just shoot hotter ammo for awhile and see how it goes? So frustrating. I suppose I'll continue to whatch this thread until more concrete evidence of possible cures comes out and continue to shoot with a mask on in the meantime :D
A related question
I read somewhere that people have used .40 ejectors in 9mm at least for the 9mm conversions that a lot of g22 owners do. Is this true? Is it pretty trouble free?
It *seems* from reading more than a few of these threads that those with Gen 3 G19's with the 336 ejector that run well (meaning no malfunctions) but exhibit erratic ejections (although not to the point of brass to the face) have found that the .40 extractor (either LW or OEM) that their ejection has become more consistent at the 3-4 oclock. My G19 fits into this category, I just received my .40 extractor today and installed it into the slide. Plan on testing it out this week.