Every round still has purpose behind it.
I'm still working various drills.
No waste of ammo here.
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My gen 4 STFXXX just had 6 stovepipes out of 200 rounds of Federal 115gr.
I have to say this issue is starting to get worse as the round count increases. I did clean the gun recently too and there was no build up of carbon or residue any where. The gun was lubricated recently too.
I went ahead and ordered what appears to be one of the new extractors from brownells. Hopefully this will work until the Apex extractor is released.
I should add that this pistol had about 3000 trouble free rounds and then started developing issues.
Shot Glock 19 above more this evening for my after dinner relaxation session. Fired 124 rnds of 115 gr Berry's plated over 4.6 gr W231 @ 1072 FPS. In the first mag I had two cases directly to the forehead. For the remainder while doing some 1-R-2 drills on steel at 30 yards (quite a challenge at that range) I had zero malfunctions, and only one erratic ejection in which the casing exited and fell between the pistol and my face rapidly spinning. I'm really not sure what's going on at this point. I really want to like this gun but once that shell hits me in the face I just get shaky and I have to cool down for a few minutes. Totally ruins the following shots for me.
I'll give Glock a call tomorrow and ask them to acknowledge the problem and hear out their suggested solutions. If they have to send a new non-dip extractor to an armorer that means a trip to Denny's (Snapshots) in KC.
Have many of you with newer Glock 17s noticed these ejection issues ?
I've been thinking of pickin one up.
That sucks. I really hope this new extractor or apex's new extractor fixes this issue. Other than extraction issues and a heavier trigger than 3rd gen guns these newer glocks are nice.
9 Gen 4 9mm's and none of them have serious ejection issues - other than some are more consistent at 4:00 than others - same as past Glocks (see Randy Lee's disertation on M4C on that). edit: exception was early G4 G19 got less consistent at 5K mark and extractor upgrade smoothed it out.
RTF2 G17 GTG and a FDE Gen 3 G17 has the most erratic ejection while running malf free for 440 rds then I dropped in an old extractor to smooth it out.
One out of 10 recently produced 9mm's had an issue worth me fixing out of the box. One more showed signs at 5K rds.
What bothers me is that the issue didn't present itself until after a few thousand rounds. If I know at 3k rounds I should replace the extractor then I would do so gladly if I knew it would fix the issue.
I called Glock today to ask them what they can do to help. The tech told me that they are referring customers to their local armorers to insta the dot connector and the updated ejector.
I told him my Glock 19 had both of those things and he said those are the only two parts they have updated to address issues with extraction.
My new extractor from midway just came in the mail. It is indeed a non dip extractor. I am going to hold off on installing it until I can get to the range in the next week or so (have to find a time my wife can some so I can observe the ejection pattern), and then we will see how it does with the brass to the face issue. I also have a class coming up at the start of August that I will run it through and report back.
Called Glock tech support. Stated last time the gun was in I put "brass to the face" on the problems list and asked if the 30274 ejector could be installed as they were reported to have been fixing the problems. Asked if there was a new extractor design for the 9mm Glocks and the rep stated they had not changed the extractor in four years. Rep stated I would need to send the gun in for them to look at it. I stated I do not want to send it out again for another several weeks on the chance that it could be fixed. I asked if brass to the face was a problem they were finding with the gen4 9mm glocks and the rep said that it wasn't and that it could be a problem with "ammunition type, shooter grip, gun internals...". A simple question of "well if I send this into you, what would you do to it as this is a common problem people send the guns in for?" and the rep stated they would have to look at it.
I informed the rep I would call them back if I decided to send the gun in again and that was that.
Frankly, it's insulting that Glock won't take an official stance to say that the Gen 4 9mm Glocks are not performing correctly. Even the brainwashed fanboys at Glocktalk now think brass smacking your face doesn't matter if the gun still shoots.:suicide:
Just gonna sell this thing and move on and far away from all things Glock. "Perfection" my ass.
This is really unfortunate.
I don't understand why they don't admit they have a problem.
I really hope this new non dip extractor helps at least till Apex releases their fix.
Even if the "new extractor" works, I'll trust the Apex extractor a shit ton more and buy that one instead.
Why? So you can wait a month or more until Apex starts selling an extractor for $20+ that might stop brass from hitting you in the face mid-magazine?
The pistols were not made right and Glock won't admit they ****ed up.
In sure Apex will offer services to help get these things running right if the extractor does not do the trick. Have they got their new shop up and running yet ?
Greetings all,
We have finally moved into our new shop and are getting benches, mills, grinders and lathes situated.
I can empathize with the frustrations that many are feeling when it comes to the erratic ejection/extraction. I wish I could say our extractor and spring positively cures every gun out there. But I cannot. There are simply too many variables to account for.
I can say that so far, ALL of our beta testers have reported positive results- even when installing our parts in other problematic Gen 4 guns, and even troublesome Gen 3s. I know there are several variations of extractor, but since I have no contact with Glock engineers there is no way for me to know why the design changes were implemented.
The engineers had to have a reason to implement changes. If I can understand their thought processes, perhaps I can be of further assistance.
Randy
Randy, I know things are still in the early stages, but do you have a ball park of what your extractors are going to cost? I understand if its too early to tell, but I was just curious. Thanks for all your time and hard work!
Randy,
First off thank you for actually testing this extractor before just throwing it out there.
Just out of curiosity will you guys eventually offer services to have a glock sent into you guys if the extractor does not completely resolve the issue ?
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