The NSR uses six button head screws.
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The NSR uses six button head screws.
Todd, among the upcoming accessories for the NSR will there be any flashlight mounts made available? I'm hoping to see something for the Surefire Scout light.
I love the NSR handguard and will be buying one. However, I already see these proprietary systems going down a slippery slope. Picatinny is a standard, which is why it works so well. These handguards, on the other hand, will create a desire in the market for companies to make accessories and accessory mounts for all the different platforms. You've got the LaRue OBR/PredatAR/PredatOBR handguard, the Noveske NSR, and several others. As far as I know, all are different. While I like the concepts (agian, I'm buying an NSR), I wish a standard could be adopted.
Say I want to use LaRue Hand Stops on my new NSR. As it stands, I will have to buy the Hand Stops AND (or at least I'm assuming) a Noveske NSR-to-Picatinny adapter. I doubt the end result will be all that sleek and effective.
Will the MUR with anti-rotation hole and anti-rotation pin be available in the future?
2nd question: Any idea of which will weigh less, the VIS keymod, or a MUR with the NSR rail?
I am excited about this new system!
I have a GPR upper on the way with 11" NSR and MUR ...I will post first impressions after arrival.
Not to mention the benefit of the throw-levers for some accessories.
I'm hoping that Noveske comes out with a proper VFG to go with the NSR as well as the hand stop. I have been a believer in the stubby VFG for awhile (after toying with various hand-stops) and even more so after 3 days with VTAC.
I don't think they are foregoing anything, they are adding another ADVANCEMENT an OPTION to our choices which is ALWAYS a good thing. They are still selling rifles with pic rails and those are not going anywhere.
You cannot make a standard pic rail that is as light as the new slick rails without losing strength and rigidity. The new slick rails keep the strength, lose the weight and give the user the option to control the bells & whistles.
3 leaders of innovation came up with similar designs attachment methods (Accuracy International, Noveske, VLTOR) and Noveske and VLTOR joined forces with theirs. Great minds think alike;)
We are talking about two separate issues.
I never said slick rails were a bad idea or a step backward to full Picatinny. On the contrary, I think they have their place because of the weight issue and modularity. I didn't say the slick rail concept was forgoing anything, just that the proprietary features of X number of rails are.
This is definitely an advancement if you want to run the rail slick, but there are already plenty of rails like that. Sure, this is a better option than the rails that need backing plates to mount accessories. Is this the best mounting option so far? Maybe, maybe not.
The reason there may be a stall in rifles with full Picatinny rails and rail sales, which I question that it's as bad as you seem to be saying, is the prices are taking their time to come down. If the new breed of slick rails are as successful as people are claiming they're going to be then the prices of Picatinny rails will come down but I don't think they'll ever fully go away unless a standard is adopted.
Price point A: rifles with hand guards
Price point B: rifles with full Picatinny rails (assuming slick rails become more popular)
Price point C: rifles with slick rails
Sales of rifles with hand guards aren't dead ;)
Price point A: rifles with hand guards
Price point B: rifles with full Picatinny rails (assuming slick rails become more popular)
Price point C: rifles with slick rails
I think the slick rails will end up in Price Point B as I think they will be cheaper in materials and manufacturing and become more popular than the pic rail, but I have some experience in manufacturing but not enough to say with any real authority. What do you think?
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. I thought you were complaining about efforts in innovation.
No problem. You're probably right about the manufacturing savings of not having to machine all of those Picatinny rails. I'm no manufacturing expert but it would seem to be cheaper to do the slick rails. So the manufacturers could possibly be able to make them faster and dump them on the market. Think of economic supply and demand. If the manufacturers can flood the market with slick rails faster like I've assumed, then price will go down and more people will buy them. The converse of that is as more and more people demand them and manufacturers reach capacity or run out, the price will go back up.
Just by sheer popularity...needing the latest and greatest, tacticool, cheaper for now...many reasons people could choose to buy a slick rail not to mention the people who really know the purpose for buying a modular rail -- lighter weight and modularity. That's why I think they'll become more popular and the market would dictate they'd be more expensive than Pic rails. Pic rails would need to come down in price just to sell period.
A lot of variables that only time will tell what happens.
I think Fletch would say, "Legos, man, the future is all Legos!" :p
I will have have a pic rail and play with the slicks, but I have to admit I have been begging Noveske for this for 2 years, so I'm really excited about the NSR:D
Got confirmation from UPS that Noveske shipped my 12.5" GPR with NSR and MUR... will be here on Thursday!
I will be building 3 SBRs over the next months and I am thinking that a GPR will be #3. I will be waiting for a full critique.
Maybe, and I'm not discounting the NSR, but after playing with several of the Brazilian handguards on the market, and with the release of the Larue Index Clips, ifind myself back at the 4-rail solutions. Wanting the ability to easily remove and attach a light without redundant weight and a pretty firm belief in the VFG (strengthened after VTAC Carbine 1.5) leaves me with little other choice anyway.