Availability of Better Performing 5.56 Self Defense Loads

[MarkG]

Here is a bit of info to temper the definition of "better performing". Two police shootings in the Phoenix area last month. Two 55 grain bulk pack ammo bullets, two dead idiots. One of them was shot out of ballisticly challenged 10.3" LE6945. Who would of thunk it...

[Cincinnatus]

Here is a bit of info to temper the definition of "better performing". Two police shootings in the Phoenix area last month. Two 55 grain bulk pack ammo bullets, two dead idiots. One of them was shot out of ballisticly challenged 10.3" LE6945. Who would of thunk it...

Any links to more info on these incidents? Number of shots fired, shot placement, etc?

[rob_s]

Here is a bit of info to temper the definition of "better performing". Two police shootings in the Phoenix area last month. Two 55 grain bulk pack ammo bullets, two dead idiots. One of them was shot out of ballisticly challenged 10.3" LE6945. Who would of thunk it...

Any links to more info on these incidents? Number of shots fired, shot placement, etc?

Guys, this isn't the thread for this.

[Ty_B]

Rob,

Great thread.

Not sure if you want to add this, but there was some testing done on the 75 gr Privi here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/491816_.html

You might want to add that to your 'Where intermediate barriers are not a problem' section. If this ammo is deemed unworthy, please delete this post to prevent confusion.


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...oducts_id/1491

[BOM]

55gr 5.56 Gold Dot:

http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/...ain-gdsp-24455

[kenndapp]

Molon tested the BVAC 75gr and it is loaded to NATO pressure and velocity.

The results are under 'HSM 5.56 ammo'. They changed their name to BVAC.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/40...EAVY_OTMs.html

i own both 5.56 75gr t1c from bvac AND hsm. they are not one in the same. that crono data posted on ar15.com is true HSM not BVAC. the bvac consistently cronos almost 200 fps slower than the hsm. they are not the same company with a different name. bvac is a couple guys from hsm that had some kind of falling out and left hsm to start their own ammo company.....from what i read. i don't know how factual that is. but i do know the crono data........ and all the 5.56 BVAC that i have shot and cronoed is in fact .223 ammo. the stuff struggles to cycle my 5.56 rifle. all this has turned me off to all 5.56 offerings from bvac. when looking for a good affordable stash of mk318, i looked at bvac's offering. but because of my experience with the 5.56 75gr tap clone......i stay away. your results might be different, but i doubt it. this was from multiple lots of bvac spread out over 1000 rounds or more. it was not just one particular under-loaded lot. do your self a favor and stay away from 5.56 bvac.....unless you have a .223 chamber.

[BufordTJustice]

i own both 5.56 75gr t1c from bvac AND hsm. they are not one in the same. that crono data posted on ar15.com is true HSM not BVAC. the bvac consistently cronos almost 200 fps slower than the hsm. they are not the same company with a different name. bvac is a couple guys from hsm that had some kind of falling out and left hsm to start their own ammo company.....from what i read. i don't know how factual that is. but i do know the crono data........ and all the 5.56 BVAC that i have shot and cronoed is in fact .223 ammo.

Take it up with Molon.

[bsmith_shoot]

Brandon,

Any non-bonded soft point or OTM round will meet your criteria.

All above listed loads are VERY capable 'target stoppers'. DocGKR's 5.56 duty ammo thread speaks to this.

Thanks friend. Im looking at Federals 64gr TRU for my sbr load.
Brandon

[BufordTJustice]

Thanks friend. Im looking at Federals 64gr TRU for my sbr load.
Brandon

NP, bro.

My agency used to issue the TRU (which is non-bonded) I can confirm that drywall, auto glass, and newer car doors are kryptonite to the TRU. I suppose it would fill the apartment dweller role well. So would the 75gr Hornady TAP round, just so you know.

[bsmith_shoot]

Thanks friend, but you may have opened a can of worms, lol. If you dont mind, could you answer a couple ammo related questions I have? I would appreciate it if Rob could chime in also.
My questions are about HD ammo for SBR's.
1. I know that shorter barrels create lower velocities, so whats the magic number I should look for? Most manufacturer listed velocities are measured using 16" barrels, but mine is 11.5", so how could I find it out for my weapon?
2. Should I use heavy rounds, or light? Would my sbr perform best with a 55gr round like TAP, or a 75gr TAP loading?
3. I know that placement is priority, but having the best ammo for your weapon cant hurt anything. Would a HP, SP, balistic tip, etc..... Be the best target stopper? I will shoot till my targets no longer a threat, but the right ammo might make that happen faster.

If this is too much to ask, no problem.
Thanks and God bless,
Brandon